Shouldn't he reach the top?

A skier is about to attempt a daring jump. He starts from the top of a frictionless slope that turns upward into a circular arc, as shown in the figure.

What is the velocity of the skier ( ( in m/s ) \text{m/s}) at the highest point of his trajectory (after breaking off the slope)?

Details and Assumptions :

  • Use g = 10 m/s 2 . g=-10 \text{ m/s}^2.
  • The skier's friends, knowing the monumental stupidity of the skier's stunt, have prepared a net to catch the skier as he falls.


The answer is 20.

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6 solutions

Arjen Vreugdenhil
Dec 10, 2017

During the entire motion, mechanical energy is conserved. Assigning y = 0 y = 0 to the center of the circle, we have E 0 = m g R E_0 = mgR , so that 1 2 m v 2 = m g ( R y ) . \tfrac12 m v^2 = mg(R - y). As long as the skier is on the circular track, the radial component of the net force is F n e t , r a d = m v 2 R = 2 m g ( R y ) R . F_{net,rad} = \frac{mv^2}R = \frac{2mg(R - y)}R. This radial force component is due to the normal force from the track, and the radial component of the gravitational force m g sin θ = m g y / R mg\sin \theta = mgy/R . The skier will lose contact when the normal force changes from inward to outward; at that moment, the normal force is zero. Thus we obtain the equation 2 m g ( R y ) R = m g y R 2 ( R y ) = y y = 2 3 R . \frac{2mg(R - y)}R = \frac{mgy}R \\ 2(R-y) = y \\ y = \frac23 R. Once the skier is "launched", we have projectile motion. At the highest point, the speed is equal to the horizontal velocity component at the launch. This is equal to v x = v sin θ = 2 g ( R y ) y R = 2 3 R g 2 3 = 30 2 3 = 20 . v_x = v\sin \theta = \sqrt{2g(R - y)}\frac y R = \sqrt{\frac 23 Rg}\cdot \frac 23 = 30\cdot \frac 23 = \boxed{20}.

I don't understand. If the height at the end of the trajectory is the same as at the beginning (270 = 2 x R (135)) then the speed of the skier would have to be zero regardless of the trajectory taken since his energy is constant and his initial speed is zero. Where is my reasoning wrong?

Charles Leonard - 3 years, 6 months ago

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At the highest point of the trajectory, his speed has become zero, but he still has horizontal speed. Therefore his highest point is lower than his starting point.

Why can't he reach the top of the circle with zero speed? In order to travel in the circular path, the net force must be equal to m v 2 / r mv^2/r and directed toward the center. Near the top his speed would be very low, so that m v 2 / r mv^2/r is very small; the gravitational force is stronger, and makes the radius of curvature too small. Traveling with greater curvature than the ramp = leaving the ramp = projectile motion.

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 3 years, 6 months ago

In order for energy to be concerned, the maximum height reached by the skier while airborne must be less the the initial height of 270m, because at that point, the skier will still have kinetic energy from his/her horizontal momentum.

Sean Lourette - 3 years, 6 months ago

mvr=mgh [at the highest point] => v= gh/r = 10*270/135 [ g is given negative to emphasize that the skier is decelerating] = 20 m/s

Amrita Karmakar - 3 years, 5 months ago

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That only works accidentally. Consider the units: m v r = [ k g m 2 / s ] ; m g h = [ k g m 2 / s 2 ] . mvr = [\mathrm{kg}\cdot \mathrm{m^2}/\mathrm{s}];\ \ \ mgh = [\mathrm{kg}\cdot \mathrm{m^2}/\mathrm{s^2}]. Since the units are not compatible this cannot be the correct solution.

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 3 years, 5 months ago
Rui-Xian Siew
Dec 4, 2017

Let y y be the height of the object from the ground. At first, y = h y=h . When the object is moving up the circular track, the magnitude of the centripetal acceleration is

a c = a g + a N a_{c} =a_{g} +a_{N} ,

where a g a_{g} is the radial component of the gravitational acceleration, and a N a_{N} is the acceleration due to the normal force of the track acting on the object. By the law of conservation of energy,

v = 2 g ( h y ) v= \sqrt{2g(h-y)} .

Moreover, the centripetal acceleration of an object undergoing circular motion is

a c = v 2 r a_{c} =\frac{v^{2}}{r}

When the object is at the upper half of the circular track, the radial component of gravitational acceleration is

a g = g ( y r r ) a_{g} =g(\frac{y-r}{r})

Hence, the expression for the acceleration due to normal force is

a N = a c a g = v 2 r g ( y r r ) = 2 g ( h y ) r g ( y r r ) a_{N}=a_{c} - a_{g}=\frac{v^{2}}{r}-g(\frac{y-r}{r})=\frac{2g(h-y)}{r}-g(\frac{y-r}{r})

When the object just loses contact with the inner surface of the track, a N = 0 a_{N}=0 . Thus,

2 g ( h y ) r g ( y r r ) = 0 \frac{2g(h-y)}{r}-g(\frac{y-r}{r})=0

y = 5 h 6 , v = 2 g ( h 5 h 6 ) = g h 3 3 y=\frac{5h}{6}, v=\sqrt{2g(h-\frac{5h}{6})}=\sqrt{\frac{gh}{3}}\approx3

From this point onward, the object will follow a parabolic trajectory. At the maximum height, its speed is just the horizontal component of the tangential velocity when it first left the surface of the track, v x v_{x} . When y = 5 h 6 y=\frac{5h}{6} , v x v = y r r = 2 3 \frac{v_{x}}{v}=\frac{y-r}{r}=\frac{2}{3} . Therefore,

v x = 20 v_{x}=\boxed{20}

Ayon Ghosh
Dec 4, 2017

Let velocity be v v and angle be α \alpha (w.r.t horizontal) when when it leaves the track.we can find the expression for v from energy conservation and get 1 / 2 m v 2 + m g h / 2 ( 1 + s i n α ) = m g h 1/2mv^2 + mgh/2(1+sin \alpha) = mgh from here we can get an equation for v v .

Also when it leaves the track N = 0 N=0 and force analysis yields m g s i n α = m v 2 / R = 2 m v 2 / h mg sin \alpha = mv^2/R = 2mv^2/h from here we get another equation for v v .

Solving these 2 equations we can get s i n α sin\alpha and the value of v v .

Velocity at top is simply v c o s ( π / 2 α ) = v s i n α vcos(\pi/2 - \alpha) = v sin \alpha = 20 m / s = 20 m/s (after putting h = 270 h=270 and g = 10 g=10 ).


Bonus (proposed by me): Approximately what percentage of its original height does it reach after losing contact with the loop ?

At the highest point, h, mg(H-h)=1/2 m v^2. Solving for h/H = 1 - (v^2)/(2 g H) = 85%

G Silb - 3 years, 6 months ago
Vignesh Rao
Dec 16, 2017

Using Conservation of Energy, we get the velocity of the man at the bottom of the arc to be u = 2 g H u = \sqrt{2gH}

where H = 270 m H = 270 \text{m}

u = 5400 u = \sqrt{5400}

When the skier is moving on the arc, we notice that

N m g cos θ = m v 2 R N - mg \cos{\theta} = \frac{mv^2}{R}\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ ( 1 ) \color{#3D99F6}{(1)}

where N N is the normal reaction by the wall on the skier, θ \theta is the angle made by the radius joining the skier with the vertical and v v is the velocity of the skier at that instant.

Also, By Work Energy Theorem, the velocity v v is given by

v = u 2 2 g R ( 1 cos θ ) v = \sqrt{u^2 - 2gR(1-\cos{\theta})} \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ ( 2 ) \color{#3D99F6}{(2)}

When the skier breaks off the surface, N 0 N \rightarrow 0 . Using this limiting case in ( 1 ) \color{#3D99F6}{(1)} and ( 2 ) \color{#3D99F6}{(2)} to find the value of θ \theta just before the skier breaks off the surface, we get

θ = cos 1 ( 2 3 ) \theta = \cos^{-1}(\frac{-2}{3})

Substituting the above in ( 2 ) \color{#3D99F6}{(2)} we get

v = 30 m s v = 30 \frac{m}{s}

After this point the skier exhibits projectile motion. The angle velocity v v makes with horizontal is found to be ( π θ ) (\pi - \theta) . We know that at the highest point of a projectile, it possess only its horizontal component of velocity = v cos ( π θ ) = 30 × 2 3 = 20 m s ) v \cos{(\pi - \theta)} = 30 \times \frac{2}{3} = \boxed{20 \ \tfrac{m}{s}})

Jack Ceroni
Jul 27, 2019

Ayyyy, this problem was really fun! Anyways, jumping right into the solution, the most important realization while solving this problem comes from realizing that the skier must have some amount of kinetic energy to supply centripetal acceleration when travelling around the loop. The skier will have initial energy:

E 0 = m g H 0 = 2 m g R E_0 \ = \ mgH_0 \ = \ 2mgR

Now, while the skier is in the bottom half of the semi-circle, the normal force can provide any amount of centripetal acceleration the system requires, so we're all good there. Once the ball reaches a vertical distance of R R inside the semi-circle, gravity will supply centripetal acceleration. This means that, in general, we must have:

v 2 R g sin θ v R g sin θ \frac{v^2}{R} \ \geq \ g \ \sin \ \theta \ \Rightarrow \ v \ \geq \ \sqrt{Rg\sin \ \theta}

Where θ \theta is the angle between the horizontal and the line passing through the centre of the semi-circle and the skier. This can be found by some pretty simple trigonometry. Now, we have the initial energy of the system. We need to find the angle θ \theta such that the velocity is minimized but the centripetal acceleration condition is still satisfied (this is the point where the skier will lose contact with the circular loop). We have:

2 m g R = m g R + m g R sin θ + 1 2 m v 2 = m g R ( 1 + sin θ ) + 1 2 R m g sin θ sin θ = 2 3 2mgR \ = \ mgR \ + \ mgR \sin \ \theta \ + \ \frac{1}{2} mv^2 \ = \ mgR(1 \ + \ \sin \ \theta) \ + \ \frac{1}{2} \ Rmg \ \sin \ \theta \ \Rightarrow \ \sin \ \theta \ = \ \frac{2}{3}

Notice that we have the gravitational potential of the skier inside the circular loop as m g R ( 1 + sin θ ) mgR(1 \ + \ \sin \ \theta) . This was again determined by some simple trigonometry. The skier's velocity when we leaves the loop is then:

v = R g sin θ = 2 3 R g v \ = \ \sqrt{Rg\sin \ \theta} \ = \ \sqrt{\frac{2}{3} \ Rg}

Now, finally, we know that when the ball leaves the loop, it will travel as a projectile. At it's maximum height, we know that v y = 0 v_y \ = \ 0 , so we have to calculate v x = v c o s ϕ v_x \ = \ v \ cos \ \phi , where ϕ \phi is the launch angle of the skier. Well, we know θ \theta when the skier leaves the surface of the loop, and using simple trigonometry, we can find c o s ϕ = sin θ \ cos \ \phi \ = \ \sin \ \theta . Therefore, the skier's velocity at has maximum height is:

v m a x = s i n θ 2 3 R g = 8 27 ( 135 ) ( 10 ) = 400 = 20 m / s v_{max} \ = \ sin \ \theta \ \sqrt{\frac{2}{3} \ Rg} \ = \ \sqrt{\frac{8}{27} \ (135) (10)} \ = \ \sqrt{400} \ = \ 20 \ \text{m}/\text{s}

i got a quite stupid solution the skier slide down the slope with acceleration due to gravity (-10) so his vertical velocity should be 270 x -10 =-2700 and the angular velocity is w=v/r so w = -2700/135 =-20

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