A B C is a triangle with side lengths 5 , 4 2 , and 7 .
Another triangle has side lengths sin A , sin B , and sin C .
If the area of that triangle is q p , where p and q are coprime positive integers, then what is p + q ?
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I haven't heard of the convention to denote angles the same as the points of a triangle. It is a pity this information was not included in the description..
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I'm genuinely interested in what any ways can one interpret the problem. I mean, for me, this is a first encounter, too, but A B C are probably angles when written after sin in a geometry problem.
Notation can vary a lot from place to place. Where I am from, this is extremely common notation.
Another example I've seen is about domain. If you want to say the domain from 2 (exclusive) to 4 (inclusive), I've always seen it written as ( 2 , 4 ] , but many people were complaining on a problem that they have always seen it as ] 2 , 4 ] . I find this notation quite odd, but they find my notation to be quite odd. You can't satisfy everyone.
Drop altitude BD and notice that CD = 3, AD = 4, and BD = 4. (Do you know how to show this?)
Then we can calculate that the area of the triangle is
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(It is a well known fact that) By using the law of sines, the new triangle is similar to the original triangle.
Since length
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re: "notice that CD = 3, AD = 4, and BD = 4."
While it's possible to guess that BD is 4 (and get the other measurements) a more general method would be to setup the Pythagorean theorem for both triangles. Let the unknown altitude be y , and let the unknown leg AD be x , getting
( 7 − x ) 2 + y 2 = 2 5 and x 2 + y 2 = 3 2 .
Subtracting the 2 equations, we get 1 4 x = 5 6 , and hence can determine y = 4 .
When it comes to geometry problems with seemingly "arbitrary" lengths, they are often times two right triangles glued together. In this case it was a 3-4-5 and a 4-4-4√2. A golden example is the 13-14-15 triangle which is a 5-12-13 and a 9-12-15 glued together by their common leg of 12. I have seen problems that incorporate similar methods so it is now a habit of mine to check for "glued" triangles.
We know from the law of cosines that cos A = − 2 ∗ 7 ∗ 4 2 5 2 − ( 4 2 ) 2 − 7 2 = − 5 6 2 − 5 6 = 2 2 , hence ∠ A = 4 5 ° and sin A = 2 2 ( 1 )
We know from the law of sines that sin A 5 = sin B 4 2 = sin C 7 , hence from ( 1 ) we have sin B = 5 4 2 sin A = 5 4 and sin C = 5 7 sin A = 1 0 7 2
Thus from Heron's formula, the area of a triangle whose side lengths are sin A , sin B and sin C is s ( s − sin A ) ( s − sin B ) ( s − sin C )
where s = 2 sin A + sin B + sin C = 1 0 5 2 + 8 + 7 2 = 5 3 2 + 2 .
So the area is equal to ( 5 3 2 + 2 ) ( 1 0 2 + 4 ) ( 5 3 2 − 2 ) ( 1 0 − 2 + 4 ) = 2 5 7 .
Thus q p = 2 5 7 and p + q = 7 + 2 5 = 3 2 .
Why do all of you know so much?? :(
Since I'm just a newbie who's trying to learn something, I have one question.
Could you please explain the formula from law of cosines?
I googled it and the formula I found was slightly different:
cos A = (b^2+c^2-a) / 2bc
I'm definitely missing something, right? Someone, help please.
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You mean cos(A) = (b^2+c^2-a^2) / 2bc. Romain just has cos(A) = (a^2-b^2-c^2) / (-2bc). Which is exactly the same.
Using the law of cosines with the following included angles:
∠ C ⟹ cos ( C ) = 5 3 ⟹ sin ( C ) = 5 4
∠ A ⟹ cos ( A ) = 2 1 ⟹ sin ( A ) = 2 1
∠ B ⟹ cos ( B ) = 5 2 1 ⟹ sin ( B ) = 5 2 7
Using the law of cosines for the included angle A ∗ ⟹ cos ( A ∗ ) = 5 2 1 ⟹ sin ( A ∗ ) = 5 2 7 ⟹ h = 2 1 sin ( A ∗ ) = 1 0 7
⟹ A △ A ∗ B ∗ C ∗ = 2 1 ( 5 4 ) ( 1 0 7 ) = 2 5 7 = q p ⟹ p + q = 3 2 .
Let T be the area of Δ A B C and t be the area of the other triangle.
By the Law of Cosines,
( 4 2 ) 2 = 5 2 + 7 2 − 2 ( 5 ) ( 7 ) cos C
⟹ cos C = 5 3 ⟹ sin C = 5 4
Then by the Law of Sines,
sin A 5 = sin B 7 = 5 4 4 2 = 5 2
which implies that all three sides of Δ A B C are 5 2 times as big as those of the other triangle.
And since area ∝ ( length ) 2 , if side lengths shrink by a factor 5 2 , area would shrink by a factor of ( 5 2 ) 2 , or 5 0 .
Thus, t = T ⋅ 5 0 − 1 , and since
T = 2 1 ( 5 ) ( 7 ) ( 5 4 ) = 1 4
we find that t = 5 0 1 4 = 2 5 7
And finally, the value we seek is the sum of the numerator and denominator, i.e. 3 2 .
Btw this is the first solution that I've posted, so any feedback is welcome :)
First, use Heron's formula to calculate the area of the bigger triangle: s ( s − a ) ( s − b ) ( s − c ) where s is half the perimeter of the triangle and a , b , and c are the sides of the triangle. We get that the area of the triangle is 1 4 . Then, we can calculate some heights to find the sines of the angles. For the height dropped from C to A B , we get 2 1 4 2 1 4 = 2 7 2 . And for the height dropped from A to C B , we get 2 1 5 1 4 = 5 . 6 . With these, we can calculate the sines of the angles: sin A = 2 2 , sin B = 1 0 7 2 , and sin C = 7 0 5 6 . Now, we need to use Heron's formula on the little triangle. After doing so, we get that the area is . 2 8 = 2 5 7 . The answer is then 3 2 .
Let T be the area of triangle A B C , and T ∗ the area of the smaller triangle. By Sine Law the two triangles are clearly similar; also, by applying Heron's Law, or by noticing that triangle ABC is composed of a 3 - 4 - 5 right triangle and a 4 - 4 - 4 2 right triangle attached at their sides of length 4 , we have that T = 1 4 .
In the diagram on the left, just like in the standard derivation of the Sine Law, we see that
b sin A = a sin B a sin A = b sin B ( = c sin C ) = h [Divide by a b ] = a b h = a b c h c = a b c 2 T
Now, applying the triangle area formula 2 1 α β sin Γ to the smaller triangle, we get that 2 T ∗ = sin A sin B sin C ∗ = sin A sin B sin C . Then,
a b c 2 T ∗ T ∗ = a sin A ⋅ b sin B ⋅ c sin C = ( a b c 2 T ) 3 = a 3 b 3 c 3 8 T 3 = a 2 b 2 c 2 4 T 3 = 2 5 ⋅ 3 2 ⋅ 4 9 4 ( 1 4 ) 3 = 2 5 7
and our answer is 7 + 2 5 = 3 2
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By the law of sines, a sin A = b sin B = c sin C = a b c 2 T = k , where T is the area of the triangle, and k is a constant for that triangle.
Then sin A = k a , sin B = k b , and sin C = k c , and the ratio of the sides between a triangle with side lengths of sin A , sin B , and sin C to a triangle with side lengths a , b , and c is k , which means the ratio of the areas is k 2 .
Therefore, if T 2 is the area of the triangle with side lengths of sin A , sin B , and sin C and T 1 is the area of the triangle with sides lengths of a , b , and c , T 2 = k 2 T 1 . Since k = a b c 2 T , T 2 = a 2 b 2 c 2 4 T 1 3 .
In this problem, we can let a = 5 , b = 4 2 , and c = 7 . Since its area can be calculated by Heron's formula to be T 1 = 1 4 , T 2 = 5 2 ( 4 2 ) 2 7 2 4 ( 1 4 ) 3 = 2 5 7 , and 7 + 2 5 = 3 2 .