Skinny Triangle

Geometry Level 5

Let A B C ABC be a triangle such that A B = 24 AB=24 is the diameter of of a circle O O . Points F F and E E lie on the intersection of the circle and lines B C BC and A C AC , respectively, such that B F = 1 BF=1 and A E = 3 AE=3 . Find the perimeter of triangle A B C ABC . Round your answer to the nearest integer.

This problem was created while accidentally misinterpreting an OMO problem. :D


The answer is 311.

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3 solutions

Ujjwal Rane
Oct 27, 2014

Angles AEB and BFA are inscribed in a semicircle and hence 90° cos A = 3 24 ; cos B = 1 24 \cos A = \frac{3}{24}; \cos B = \frac{1}{24} sin A = 567 24 ; sin B = 575 24 \sin A = \frac{\sqrt{567}}{24}; \sin B = \frac{\sqrt{575}}{24} Get sin C using

sin C = (180° - A - B) = sin (A+B) = sin A. cos B + cos A. sin B sin C = 567 + 3 575 2 4 2 \sin C = \frac{\sqrt{567}+3\sqrt{575}}{24^{2}} Then use sine rule to get C B = 24 sin A sin C = 2 4 2 567 567 + 3 575 CB =\frac{24\sin A}{\sin C}= \frac{24^{2}\sqrt{567}}{\sqrt{567}+3\sqrt{575}} C A = 24 sin B sin C = 2 4 2 575 567 + 3 575 CA =\frac{24\sin B}{\sin C} = \frac{24^{2}\sqrt{575}}{\sqrt{567}+3\sqrt{575}} Add CB + BA + AC to get 311.4965 \boxed{311.4965}

Here is an alternate solution using Intersecting Secant Theorem:

Let CE = x and CF = y

From Intersecting secant theorem:

CA . CE = CB . DF

i.e. x(x+3) = y(y+1) . . . . (I)

Now writing area of ABC in two ways using altitudes A F = 575 ; B E = 567 AF = \sqrt{575}; BE = \sqrt{567} and bases

BC = (y+1) and AC = (x + 3)

we get ( x + 3 ) 567 = ( y + 1 ) 575 . . . . ( I I ) (x+3)\sqrt{567} = (y+1)\sqrt{575} . . . . (II) Solve I & II to get x = 3 × 567 8 567 × 575 8 = 141.252 x = \frac{3 \times 567}{8} - \frac{\sqrt{567 \times 575}}{8} = 141.252 Y = 142.245

Giving a perimeter of x +3 + y +1 + 24 = 311.497

Ujjwal Rane - 6 years, 7 months ago

Did the same but first I put in 312

Aneesh Kundu - 6 years, 7 months ago

There is an alternative solution using theorem of intersecting secants. I will try to post it separately.

Ujjwal Rane - 6 years, 7 months ago

We can also use ptolemy's theorem on the cyclic quadrilateral and find EF. Then use similarity ratios to get EC + CF ( triangle ECF ~ triangle BCA) So we can find the perimeter of the triangle.

Rayyan Shahid - 6 years, 7 months ago
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Oct 21, 2014

R = 12 / ( ( 3 / 24 ) ( 2 4 2 1 ) / 24 + ( 1 / 24 ) ( ( 2 4 2 3 2 ) / 24 ) R=12/((3/24)*\sqrt{(24^2-1)/24}+(1/24)*(\sqrt{(24^2-3^2)/24)} P = 24 + 2 R ( ( 2 4 2 3 2 ) / 24 + ( 2 4 2 1 ) / 24 P=24+2R*(\sqrt{(24^2-3^2)/24}+\sqrt{(24^2-1)/24} = 311 =\boxed{311}

An accurate calculation shows that the perimeter is 675 + 45 161 4 311.496 , \frac{675 + 45 \sqrt{161}}{4} \approx 311.496, so the answer is actually 311.

Jon Haussmann - 6 years, 7 months ago

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Thanks. I have updated the answer to 311.

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 7 months ago

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Thank you, btw, was the previous answer 312?

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 7 months ago

Sir, I got the answer as 311.52(rounded to 312, which was earlier correct )I had already used 2 tries and got the answer correct in 3rd try(due to some calculation mistakes). But now as the answer is changed to 311 my answer is incorrect, and since i had used all the tries i can't give the correct answer.Sir, I would request you if possible to provide another 3 attempts to those whose answer was correct earlier as there is very slight difference between the 2 answers.

Rayyan Shahid - 6 years, 7 months ago

oh, calculation mistake lost me points :(

Ashu Dablo - 6 years, 7 months ago

FYI, the Latex for square root is \sqrt { }.

Can you explain how you arrived at those values?

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 7 months ago

Draw CH is perpendicular to AB. Because AB is the diameter of the circle O, so AF is perpendicular to BC, BE is perpendicular to AC. F A B = H C B , A C H = E B A \angle{FAB}=\angle{HCB}, \angle{ACH}=\angle{EBA} A C B = F A B + E B A \angle{ACB}=\angle{FAB}+\angle{EBA} Apply sin theorem for triangle ABC, We have above formula.

aaaaa bbbbb - 6 years, 7 months ago

a more accurate calculation shows 311.52

Mehul Chaturvedi - 6 years, 7 months ago

Relevant wiki: Power of a Point

Let side A C = b AC=b ; B C = a ; BC=a

Construction:- Join B E . BE.

Now, Since A B AB is the diameter, A E B = 9 0 \angle AEB=90^{\circ} .

So Pythagorus says-

3 2 + B E 2 = 2 4 2 3^2+BE^2=24^2

B E = 567 \Rightarrow BE=\sqrt{567}

( b 3 ) 2 + 567 = a 2 \Rightarrow (b-3)^2+567=a^2

Also according to Circle Power of a Point Theorum , b ( b 3 ) = a ( a 1 ) b(b-3)=a(a-1)

By solving the above two equations, we get a + b = 287.496 a+b=287.496

So we get the perimeter 311.496 311 311.496 \approx \boxed{311}

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