Solving D S.'s system of equation

Algebra Level 5

For all pairs of nonzero real numbers ( x , y ) (x,y) such that 24 x 3 10 x 2 y 3 x y 2 + y 3 = 0 24x^3 - 10x^2y - 3xy^2 + y^3 = 0 and x 2 + 5 x = y 2 x^2 + 5x = y^2 , let ( a , b ) (a,b) denote the solution with the largest value of x x . What is the value of a + b a + b ?

This problem is posed by D S .


The answer is 5.

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5 solutions

Yu Tse Lee
Nov 3, 2013

Note that 24 x 3 10 x 2 y 3 x y 2 + y 3 = ( 2 x y ) ( 4 x y ) ( 3 x + y ) 24x^3-10x^2y-3xy^2+y^3=(2x-y)(4x-y)(3x+y) .

Hence there are three cases to consider:

Case 1 : y = 2 x y=2x

Substituting into x 2 + 5 x = y 2 x^2+5x=y^2 , we get x 2 + 5 x = 4 x 2 x ( 3 x 5 ) = 0 x^2+5x=4x^2 \Rightarrow x(3x-5)=0 Hence x = 0 x=0 or 5 3 \frac {5}{3} . The corresponding y y values are 0 0 and 10 3 \frac {10}{3} respectively.

Case 2 : y = 4 x y=4x

Substituting into x 2 + 5 x = y 2 x^2+5x=y^2 , we get x 2 + 5 x = 16 x 2 x ( 15 x 5 ) = 0 x^2+5x=16x^2 \Rightarrow x(15x-5)=0 Hence x = 0 x=0 or 1 3 \frac {1}{3} . The corresponding y y values are 0 0 and 4 3 \frac {4}{3} respectively.

Case 3 : y = 3 x y=-3x

Substituting into x 2 + 5 x = y 2 x^2+5x=y^2 , we get x 2 + 5 x = 9 x 2 x ( 8 x 5 ) = 0 x^2+5x=9x^2 \Rightarrow x(8x-5)=0 Hence x = 0 x=0 or 5 8 \frac {5}{8} . The corresponding y y values are 0 0 and 15 8 -\frac {15}{8} respectively.

Hence, the solutions are ( 0 , 0 ) (0,0) , ( 5 3 , 10 3 ) (\frac {5}{3},\frac {10}{3}) , ( 1 3 , 4 3 ) (\frac {1}{3},\frac {4}{3}) and ( 5 8 , 15 8 ) (\frac {5}{8},-\frac {15}{8}) .

The solution with the largest value of x x is ( 5 3 , 10 3 ) (\frac {5}{3},\frac {10}{3}) , so a + b = 5 3 + 10 3 = 5 a+b=\frac {5}{3}+\frac {10}{3}=5 .

May I know how do you factorize it in the first place?

iiiioioioi pppp - 7 years, 7 months ago

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I started by looking for a factorization with integer coefficients (I like it when that happens): ( a x + y ) ( b x + y ) ( c x + y ) (ax+y)(bx+y)(cx+y) . That gives a b c = 24 abc=24 , a b + a c + b c = 10 ab+ac+bc=-10 , and a + b + c = 3 a+b+c=-3 .

There are two factorizations of 24 24 for which the factors add up to 3 -3 , and a b + a c + b c = 10 ab+ac+bc=-10 only for 4 × 3 × 2 -4 \times 3 \times -2 .

Luuk Weyers - 7 years, 7 months ago

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This problem is quickly solved after the factorization.

William Mitchell - 7 years, 7 months ago

Just a little mistake….. neither x x nor y y can be zero 'coz they are nonzero numbers .

arif rayhan - 7 years, 7 months ago
Aditya Parson
Nov 5, 2013

Let y = a x y=ax for some non zero real number a a . Our equations transform to: x 2 + 5 x = a 2 x 2 x + 5 = a 2 x x^2+5x=a^2x^2 \Rightarrow x+5=a^2x and 24 x 3 10 x 3 a 3 x 3 a 2 + a 3 x 3 = 0 24x^3-10x^3a-3x^3a^2+a^3x^3=0 a 3 3 a 2 10 a + 24 = ( a 2 ) ( a 2 a 12 ) = ( a 2 ) ( a 4 ) ( a + 3 ) = 0 a^3-3a^2-10a+24=(a-2)(a^2-a-12)=(a-2)(a-4)(a+3)=0

We know that : x = 5 a 2 1 x=\frac{5}{a^2-1} Clearly, x x is maximised when a = 2 a=2 x = 5 3 \Rightarrow x=\frac{5}{3} .

Thus, x + y = 3 x = 5 x+y=3x=\boxed{5} .

Note: We can divide by x x in all the equations in which I have divided with x x , since x 0 x \neq 0 .

Good. It's the best solution for this problem.

Led Tasso - 7 years, 7 months ago

We could have done it this way:

Noting that ( 0 , 0 ) (0,0) is a trivial solution. Then dividing first equation throughout by x 3 x^3 giving us following equation to consider:

\displaystyle ( ( y x ) 3 3 ( y x ) 2 10 ( y x ) + 24 = 0 \frac{y}{x})^3-3\cdot(\frac{y}{x})^2-10\cdot(\frac{y}{x})+24=0 . Using Rational Root Theorem one can find that ( y x ) = 2 , 4 , 3 (\frac{y}{x})=2,4,-3 . Now substituting each of them into the simpler equation i.e. x 2 + 5 x = y 2 x^2+5x=y^2 we get required ordered pair ( a , b ) (a,b) as \displaystyle ( 5 3 , 10 3 ) (\frac{5}{3},\frac{10}{3}) giving a + b = 5 a+b=5 .

Nishant Sharma - 7 years, 6 months ago

To ensure clarity, could my solution be edited to replace all the a a 's with some other variable?

Aditya Parson - 7 years, 7 months ago

In the last part of the solution I used (x,y) instead of (a,b). What it actually should be: m a x ( x ) = a = 5 3 max (x)=a=\frac{5}{3} and b = 2 a b=2a . Hence, a + b = 3 a = 5 a+b=3a=5 .

Aditya Parson - 7 years, 7 months ago

y=ax ,how u came in your mind to put that, not digestable

Kuleshwar sahu - 7 years, 7 months ago

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It should actually not be a a but some other variable.

Aditya Parson - 7 years, 7 months ago

How did you come up with the transformation y = c x y=c*x where c is a constant

Krutarth Patel - 2 years, 8 months ago
Jared Low
Feb 4, 2014

The first equation can be factorised as ( 2 x y ) ( 4 x y ) ( 3 x + y ) = 0 (2x-y)(4x-y)(3x+y)=0 . This gives us 3 cases:

Case 1: 2 x = y 2x=y Using this substitution in the second equation gives us x 2 + 5 x = 4 x 2 x^2+5x=4x^2 . This can be rearranged to give us 3 x 2 5 x = 0 3x^2-5x=0 , which gives us x = 0 , 5 3 x=0, \frac{5}{3}

Case 2: 4 x = y 4x=y Using this substitution in the second equation gives us x 2 + 5 x = 16 x 2 x^2+5x=16x^2 . This can be rearranged to give us 15 x 2 5 x = 0 15x^2-5x=0 , which gives us x = 0 , 5 15 x=0, \frac{5}{15} or simplified to 1 3 \frac{1}{3} .

Case 3: 3 x = y 3x=-y Using this substitution in the second equation gives us x 2 + 5 x = 9 x 2 x^2+5x=9x^2 . This can be rearranged to give us 8 x 2 5 x = 0 8x^2-5x=0 , which gives us x = 0 , 5 8 x=0, \frac{5}{8} .

From these 3 cases, we have 4 possible values of x : 0 , 5 3 , 1 3 , 5 8 x: 0, \frac{5}{3}, \frac{1}{3}, \frac{5}{8} . The first case gives us the largest value of x x , namely x = 5 3 x=\frac{5}{3} . From here, we have y = 2 x = 2 5 3 = 10 3 y=2x=2*\frac{5}{3}=\frac{10}{3} and thus the solution ( x , y ) = ( 5 3 , 10 3 ) (x,y)=(\frac{5}{3},\frac{10}{3})

from 24x^3-10x^2y-3xy^2+y^3 = 0 we get (2x-y)(4x-y)(3x+y)=0 it's easily to see that x is max when 2x=y so x=5/3 and y=10/3 so a+b=5

Naman Gupta
Nov 4, 2013

Divide equation 1 by y^3 it becomes a cubic equation with roots 1/2, 1/4, -1/3 now for these ratios of x/y solve equation 2

How did you get the roots of th cubic equation after you divide eqn.1 by y^3?

Led Tasso - 7 years, 7 months ago

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I do not know how Naman did it, but you may want to take a look at the Rational Root Theorem

Alexander Borisov - 7 years, 7 months ago

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Thanks for the reference. I was a little late though.

Led Tasso - 7 years, 6 months ago

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