Some Piles Of Snow Are Dangerous. Some Are Safe. What Is The difference?

The snow pile in the picture above is in?

equilibrium doesn't exist. unstable equilibrium. stable equilibrium. not in equilibrium at all.

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David Mattingly Staff
Jan 29, 2014

The snow in the picture above is in stable equilibrium as opposed to before it fell when it was in an unstable equilibrium.

When we look around in our daily lives we see things both moving and standing still. Objects that are still and remain so are in equilibrium with their surroundings. There are three types of equilibrium and to understand the difference it is helpful to visualize a particular system. Let’s consider our system as a snowboarder on a halfpipe.

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If the snowboarder is on the curved side of the halfpipe then they cannot remain still, as they will begin to accelerate towards the center due to gravity. However, at the bottom of the halfpipe they will remain still if they start that way. Thus a still snowboarder at the bottom of the halfpipe is in equilibrium. Similarly, if the snowboarder is right on the top edge of the halfpipe they can balance there and remain still. Thus a snowboarder right at the top edge can also be in equilibrium.

These two types of equilibrium are different in one important way. If I slightly push a snowboarder at the bottom of the half-pipe they will move a tiny bit but stay pretty much where they are. Therefore the snowboarder at the bottom is in stable equilibrium: an infinitesimal displacement doesn’t change the situation. This is not true for the snowboarder balanced on the top. A small push towards the center will send the snowboarder down through the halfpipe and to the other side. Thus the snowboarder at the top edge is in unstable equilibrium: an infinitesimal displacement changes the situation drastically. This is the situation in an avalanche. The snow at the top of the mountain is very precariously balanced and even a tiny displacement, like that due to a loud sound, can trigger a massive shift in the snow.

There’s a third type of equilibrium, and that is a metastable equilibrium. Note that one way to think about the equilibria above is to think of the graph of the gravitational potential energy as a function of position. The potential energy has a minimum in the center of the halfpipe, and that is where the point of stable equilibrium occurs. Metastable equilibria occur when there is more than one minimum of the potential energy graph. In this case, small pushes on an object at one minimum won’t do anything, but a large push can make the object move to the other minimum. The halfpipe configuration that would give metastable equilibrium would be if the bottom of the halfpipe looked like the following:

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Here the snowboarder at point 1 would not move unless given a push, and is stable under small pushes. However a large enough push will move the snowboarder over the bump (point 2) and into the other equilibrium point (point 3). Hence point 1 is a metastable equilibrium, point 2 is unstable, and point 3 is stable.

Metastable equilibria become very important once you toss quantum mechanics into the mix, as a quantum mechanical system will always eventually move to the lowest possible energy state - you don’t even need a push!

Further exploration: If I could balance a pencil right on its tip, that would be an unstable equilibrium. This problem shows how even small displacements eventually change the situation dramatically.

THE IMAGE IS NOT CLEAR

Anirudha Nayak - 7 years, 4 months ago

The image is really confusing. It seems as if the snow is still on a mountain side where it should stay in unstable equilibrium.

Maharnab Mitra - 7 years, 4 months ago

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exactly what I was thinking

Ryan Soedjak - 7 years, 4 months ago

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Me too

Katryn Pontes de Oliveira - 7 years, 3 months ago

The distinction between stable or unstable in complicated systems like the one here is a rather controversial area. As David has pointed out, the snow here has reached a stable equilibrium ,before, when it was at a height, the equilibrium was unstable, as a small disturbance was capable of setting the system into motion and search for a new equilibrium.

But what is a small disturbance? Is it well defined?(Is radiation qualified to be counted as disturbance?If yes, then things would be flowing in a different direction :) )

What if we vibrate the system a bit, will it return to its previous state, NO! Some of the ice will settle down to lower energy states.It'll be in a new equilibrium. So the previous configuration was decidedly not a stable one.

There are parts of snow in the new configuration that are still in an unstable equilibrium, parts that can be set into motion by small disturbances.

The point I'm trying to make is that there is no mathematical way of deducing if a complicated configuration of particles affected by numerous kinds of forces is in stable equilibrium or unstable equilibrium. Its almost as vague as the adjectives of hot and cold.

Arnab Acharya - 7 years, 4 months ago

The image is not clear enough to realize it.

Punsisi Bandara Kiridana - 7 years, 3 months ago

great explanation!!

Devansh Lonkar - 7 years, 4 months ago

Sir, please tell me if i am wrong since the system is at rest so the ice doesn't move at all this means the total effect of acting force is cancelled by the reactionary force by the snow block this means they are in equilibrium

ashutosh mahapatra - 7 years ago
Harish Kp
Feb 15, 2014

its somewhat easy if u eliminate options ....we know that there is almost no equilliburium for moving objects...but in this pic the snow is at rest. the snow is at unstable equiluiburium at the time of avalanche...but in the pic it is shown at post-avalanche session....so it has stable equliburium....

Equilibrium does exist for moving objects. It is dynamic equilibrium instead of static equilibrium. Equilibrium means there is no net force acting on an object. Objects at rest stay at rest (static); objects in motion stay in motion (dynamic).

Greg Whiteside - 3 years, 10 months ago
Conor Sokolowsky
Jan 30, 2014

It's an avalanche--after it's already happened. Therefore it's in a stable equilibrium because there is no threat of it crashing down and killing you.

If it were in stable equilibrium it should return to the same config if i move the system slightly. It obviously wont here, right ? I mean I get what you're saying but am I not right too ?

Amlan Kar - 7 years, 4 months ago

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I totally agree with you Amlan. Theoretically, for a system to be in a stable equilibrium, it must be in a Potential Energy minima. But that cannot be verified unless the position of every particle and their mutual interactions are described mathematically. Hence, there is room for some controversy.

But then, I think we are taking a fun question way too seriously.

Arnab Acharya - 7 years, 4 months ago

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