100 gold coins

Logic Level 2

You are presented with 3 chests:

Chest A has been labelled with "100 gold coins."
Chest B has been labelled with "50 gold and 50 silver coins."
Chest C has been labelled with "100 silver coins."

You are told that each label is incorrectly placed because it describes the contents of another chest. To help you determine which chest truly contains 100 gold coins, you are allowed to randomly pick a coin from any chest.

Which chest should you pick a coin from?

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Chew-Seong Cheong
Apr 21, 2015

Relevant wiki: Truth-Tellers and Liars

  • Chest A labelled 100 gold, cannot contain 100 gold. Therefore, either Chest B or Chest C contains 100 gold.
  • Chest B labelled 50 gold and 50 silver, can contain either 100 gold or 100 silver. If we pick a coin from Chest B, there would be only two cases: { If it is gold then Chest B contains 100 gold. If it is silver then it contains 100 silver and Chest C contains 100 gold. \begin{cases} \text {If it is gold then Chest B contains 100 gold.} \\ \text {If it is silver then it contains 100 silver and Chest C contains 100 gold.} \end{cases} .

Therefore, the answer is to pick a coin from C h e s t B . \color{gold}{\boxed{Chest \space B}}.

This question needs to say blind selection. I assumed is be keeping whatever I found. Chest C is either 50/50 gold/silver or all gold. It has the greatest chance of containing gold. So I explicitly chose the chest with the best odds of at least containing gold.

Now I understand though. I honestly thought to choose you would get to open the chest, where you would see.

Eric Belrose - 5 years, 8 months ago

It clearly says "...you are allowed to randomly pick a coin from any chest." "Randomly" means picking without seeing. Open the chest lid put in your hand to pick up ONE coin. If it is meant to open the chest and see, then we don't have to specify ONE coin.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 5 years, 8 months ago

Exactly, I thought the same thing..

Vanshaj Jain - 5 years, 3 months ago

But why not open chest C, its either gold or gold+silver, if its gold i win, if its gold+silver then B has the gold coins....... I challenge you sir!!!!!!!!

simon maxwell - 5 years, 6 months ago

You woulnt be able to choose chest c because u are trying to conferm weather or not the chest has silver or gold in it. If the chest contains both silver and gold, than there is no point in looking for the chest consiting of just gold. Thus, the answer is clearly b, witch consists of eaither gold, or silver, being easyer to conferm

Teagan . - 5 years, 4 months ago

You can only pick one coin from the chest you pick. If you get a gold coin you don't know for sure if it's 100 gold or the 50/50 mix. Only by taking 1 coin from B can you know for sure. If it's a gold coin then that chest is all gold. If it's a silver one then that is all silver and chest C has all the gold.

Paul Bassett - 5 years, 5 months ago

Simon, sorry for not replying you earlier. The problem was about randomly pick ONE coin from a chest (that is without seeing the other coins in that chest). Most of the others commented the same. And I have answered a few times as can be seen on this page. I hope you could go through others' comments in the future, before challenging someone.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 5 years, 5 months ago

y not pick A or C?? it may be the same case because if you open C and find there pure gold then A will be mixture and B will be silver, same way if you find mixture in C then A will be silver and B will be gold. Also if you pick A, if it will be silver then B will be gold and C will be mixture, same way if A will be mixture then C is gold and B will be silver.

Mac Roger Madayag - 5 years, 8 months ago

Mac, you are only allowed to pick ONE coin from any chest not open it to find out.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 5 years, 8 months ago

oooooohhhh.... now i get it.. thanks... :)

Mac Roger Madayag - 5 years, 8 months ago

A won't work because it already clearly states that the informations stated are false. C wouldn't work either because then if it were the 50 gold, 50 silver chest, then the chance would have been fifty-fifty.

Zust Doit - 5 years, 8 months ago

oooooohhhh.... now i get it.. thanks... :)

Mac Roger Madayag - 5 years, 8 months ago

Who cares about just one? Blindfold the person who labeled them, load the chests to your pickup truck and floor it.

Christian Caisley - 5 years, 6 months ago

Ok i get it. I assumed your pick is your only choice. But by saying you are allowed to pick a coin first, then you are given 2 choices

Jonathan Train - 5 years, 3 months ago

Bad question because logically it's either B OR C because neither has a 100% chance to be the one. Same situation either way, 2 possible solutions. Is it just a poorly worded question?

Jeremy DeBose - 5 years, 2 months ago

But there are more than 113,000 solvers.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 5 years, 1 month ago

Poorly worded question imo.

Jared Graeve - 5 years ago

No. It contains 50/50 gold/silver. Why would it suddenly contain 100 gold/silver just because you randomly drew 1 gold/silver? You don't know anything about the content of the boxes by only drawing only 1 coin from 1 random chest. The riddles solution is wrong. In this case, there is no solution.

Philip Müller - 4 years, 12 months ago

127,772 have solved the problem. I think you don't quite get the problem.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 4 years, 12 months ago

This problem can be solved no matter which chest is chosen. Chest A must be 50/50 or 100 silver. If you pick chest A and it is 100 silver, then chest C must be 50/50, since chest B cannot be. Therefore, chest B would be 100 gold. If you pick chest A and it is 50/50, then chest C is 100 gold, since chest B cannot be. Now let’s say you pick chest B. Chest B must be either 100 gold or 100 silver. If you pick chest B and it is 100 silver, then chest C must be 100 gold since chest A cannot be. Now let’s say you pick chest C. If chest C is 50/50, then chest B is 100 gold, since chest A cannot be. Of course if you pick either chest B or chest C and it is 100 gold, you don’t need to deduce anything more. The bottom line is that you can determine which chest has the 100 gold, no matter which chest you pick. The correct answer to this question is “It doesn’t matter. Pick any one of them”.

Bill Pesklevits - 4 years, 11 months ago

The problem says that "you are allowed to randomly pick a \color{#D61F06}{a} coin from any chest." and n o t \color{#D61F06}{not} open the chest and look what are inside. There are 129040 solvers now.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 4 years, 11 months ago

Umm... I still don't get it. If Chest A doesn't have 100 gold then Chests B or C should. If it's Chest B that contains 100 gold so Chest C contains 50 & 50 and Chest A containing 100 silver then it's fine but can't it also be Chest A containing 50 & 50 so Chest B containing 100 silver and Chest C containing 100 gold?

felix zhang - 4 years, 11 months ago

It is not open up the chest and look inside to see all the content. You are only allowed to randomly pick a coin \color{#D61F06}{\text{a coin}} from any chest .

Chew-Seong Cheong - 4 years, 11 months ago

I don't get it sir... why its B when there's is fifty fifty chance for B and C. more specific answer please

Aries Ramada - 5 years, 8 months ago

The answer does not say that Chest B is the one with 100 gold coin. The answer says that we pick the ONE coin from Chest B because Chest B has been labelled "50 gold and 50 silver" which means that it is either 100 gold or 100 silver. So if we pick the ONE coin and it is silver then Chest B contains 100 silver and then Chest C contains 100 gold. If it is gold then Chest B contains 100 gold. We cannot pick ONE coin from Chest C because Chest C can contain either 100 gold or 50 gold and 50 silver. If we pick the only ONE coin from Chest C and it is silver, then we know Chest C is 50 gold and 50 silver, then Chest B is 100 gold. But if we pick a gold, we are not sure whether Chest B or Chest C is 100 gold. Go through the question and the answer properly.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 5 years, 8 months ago

i got it thank you... :)

Aries Ramada - 5 years, 8 months ago

Each chest is labeled incorrectly, remeber?

Dyllen Robinson - 5 years, 7 months ago

The rules don't say the coin selection is a blind selection. Technically you can pick from B or C because as soon as you open the chest you can see the coins, assuming that the 50/50 chest doesn't have the coins layered with all gold and no silver showing. That can circumvented by picking the B or C chest, spilling the contents to the ground and picking a coin from the pile. :)

John Tran - 5 years, 8 months ago

You dont open the chest, just pick a single coin, that way if you pick a gold coin from C you dont know if you have 100 gold or a mixture, thats why B is always a sure bet

Diogo Martins - 5 years, 7 months ago

The answer doesn't have to be B as the same logic that the solution provides can be used if you pick from C.

Oleg Ratcliffe - 5 years, 7 months ago

Chest C has been labelled "100 silver coins) which means it is either "100 gold coins" or "50 gold and 50 silver". We are only allowed to pick ONE single coin from Chest C (not open up the chest) without seeing its contents. If we pick a silver, then it means that Chest C is "50 gold and 50 silver". But if we pick a gold, we cannot be sure, if it is "100 gold" or "50-50". We don't have this problem with Chest B.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 5 years, 7 months ago

Okay i get your logic, B is the BEST choice.

simon maxwell - 5 years, 6 months ago
Michael Mendrin
Apr 21, 2015

Let G G , G S GS , S S (denoting "100 gold coins", "50 gold and 50 silver coins" and "100 silver coins" respectively) be the real contents of the boxes. Then one of these has to be the case

C h e s t A = G S Chest A=GS
C h e s t B = S Chest B=S
C h e s t C = G Chest C=G

or

C h e s t A = S Chest A=S
C h e s t B = G Chest B=G
C h e s t C = G S Chest C=GS

Hence, poll C h e s t B Chest B to find out which is which.

Moderator note:

Elaboration of the above:

Why Chest B works:
If we pick from Chest B, and it is a silver coin, then we are in the first case, and thus Chest C will have "100 gold coins".
If we pick from Chest B, and it is a gold coin, then we are in the second case, and thus Chest B will have "100 gold coins".
Thus, by picking from Chest B, we can conclude which Chest will have the gold coins.

Why Chest A (and C) doesn't work:
If you decide to pick a coin from Chest A, and it turns out to be Silver, then we will still be unable to determine what Chest A is, as it could be either Case. We have not eliminated a possibility. As such, Chest A (and Chest C) would not be the answer.

Short and sweet!

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 1 month ago

People automatically do things alpha numerically in order. Therefore, Chest A would be mixed, Chest B would Gold, Chest C would be silver.

Chris Kreska - 5 years, 8 months ago

Haha, so the question is about finding which is containing which. All chest must be determined.

I missed it out by answering C, because I thought the question is about selecting which chest has the best possiblity of gaining gold.

lol

Richard John Carolino - 5 years, 8 months ago

Me too. I thought that if I had just a single pick and had to leave the chests behind I should pick a chest with the highest probability off obtaining gold. The idealistic approach to just knowing what chests contains what didn't occur to me.

Hanno HK - 5 years, 1 month ago

What does SG means?

sejo issejo - 6 years, 1 month ago

S G or G S SG \text{ or } GS : The chest that contains 50 silver and 50 gold.

Osama Kawish - 6 years, 1 month ago
Ivan Koswara
Apr 21, 2015

Chest B must contain entirely gold coins or entirely silver coins (since its label is incorrect). Taking a coin from Chest B will determine what its contents is. As it turns out, the information obtained is enough to determine the contents of the remaining two chests; for example, if Chest B has gold coins, then Chest C must be the mixed coins (since its label is wrong, and among its remaining two possibilities, one is discarded for being Chest B), and Chest A is the silver coins. Thus the answer is Chest B .

To show that Chest A and Chest C are not the answer, just see that if we get a silver coin from Chest A or a gold coin from Chest C, we don't gain any information; all possibilities still remain.

Rama Devi
Apr 25, 2015

Chest A labelled 100 gold, cannot contains 100 gold. Therefore, either Chest B or Chest C contains 100 gold. Chest B labelled 50 gold and 50 silver, can contain either 100 gold or 100 silver. If we pick a coin from Chest B, there would be only two cases: . Therefore, the answer is to pick a coin from CHEST B

then it will work when pick C too, which can contain 50G 50S and 100G when C contain 50G 50 S then the 100G will be on B. this question have 2 answer correct

Dan Aja - 5 years, 9 months ago

U may pick G if you try to take in a chest where there are 50S and 50G. So it would give a false impression that u were picking the right chest

Ricardo Feliz - 5 years, 8 months ago

Yay, good job!

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 1 month ago
Luis Badillo
Aug 22, 2015

My "plain English" solution.

So we only get one shot at getting information that lets us figure out which box has what coins. With the goal of getting useful information, we can solve this pretty easily.

Checking box A is risky. There's no possibility of it being the gold box, so if I draw a gold coin, I know I've got the 50/50 box. But if I draw a silver, I have no way of telling whether A is the 50/50 or silver box., so I literally have no new information. If you check from box C, you get a similar result, but with silver.

However, since I know that the signs are all wrong, I know that box B is either all gold or all silver. So lets draw from that:

If I get a silver coin, I know that Box B is all silver. Since Box A can't be gold (because the sign is wrong), and since I just figured out box B is all silver, Box A logically has to be the 50/50 box. That leaves us with box C as the gold box. If I draw gold from Box B, then I can use the same logic to conclude that Box C is the 50/50 box, and box A is all silver.

Long story short, check box B.

Teagan .
Jan 17, 2016

If every chest is labled wrong, than chest a couldnt contain 100 cold, and with that said, chest b couldnt contain 50 gold and 50 silver, and cheat c couldnt contain 100 silver. Now, go back to chest b. If it cannot contain 50/50 of each gold and silver, than it can only contain of 100 silver or gold. Therefore, chest b is the chest u should choose, because it is the chest with 2 possible outcomes. The other two chests have an outcome of either 50/gold and 50/silver, or 100 gold or 100 silver, making it impossible to know

Patrick Walsh
Jan 1, 2016

If incorrectly labeled, chest b will either be 100 gold coins or 100 silver coins.

Romano Rorox
Nov 21, 2015

choosing B there are just 2 possibilities: you pick a silver coin, so this chest contains 100 silver coins for sure, the chest labeled 100 silver coins must contain 100 gold coins and the other one, labeled 100 gold coins, contains 100 silver coins. If you pick up a gold coin... the same chest contains 100 gold coins, the chest labeled 100 silver coins contains 50-50 and the last one, labeled 100 gold coins contains 100 silver coins.

There are no other possibilities, considering that ALL the chests must be wrongly labeled.

Nipun Bansal
Nov 20, 2015

As all chests are labelled wrong, chest B will contain either 100 Gold coins or 100 Silver coins. Pick a coin from chest B, if it comes gold then chest B contains 100 Gold otherwise chest C will contain 100 Gold.

  1. Chest A = 50+50 or 100S [Discard chest A]
  2. Chest B = 100G or 100S
  3. Chest C = 50+50 or 100G

  4. Attempt : Pick from chest B. Possible outcomes = 1G coin or 1S coin

If 1G coin implies all coins are gold (from step 2) - implies chest B has 100G coins

If 1S coin implies all the coins are silver (from step 2) - implies chest C has 100G coins

Dillon Domnick
Nov 16, 2015

I read it as one chest having x, another having y, and the third having half x plus half y. Since x and y are equally infinite variables, it had to have been chest B.

Caroline Lui
Nov 8, 2015

Because the labels are wrong, the chest labeled 50/50 must contain either pure gold or pure silver, while the other two are uncertain, therefore making B the best choice.

Victoria Wang
Nov 1, 2015

Since the label is incorrect, you know that box b DOES NOT have 50 gold plus 50 silver; therefore it must have either all gold or all silver. So, picking one coin out of that box will tell you which box has the gold coins.

Paul Dillingham
Oct 29, 2015

There can be only one

Thong Liang Kho
Oct 24, 2015

You have to choose B since from thr wrong label you know B contains either all gold or all silver. So if you pick a gold coin from B that means B is the chest with all gold. If you pick a silver from B tbat means B is all silver. So the chest with all gold is C since A has the wrong label.

Jeremy Woods
Oct 22, 2015

It doesn't make sense to me. I would assume that 50 gold coins and 50 silver coins are better in value than 100 silver coins. If that is the case, then it is best to choose Chest C because you know that Chest C cannot have 100 silver coins since the chests are incorrectly labelled.

Evan Meikleham
Oct 18, 2015

Everything is mislabeled, so we immediately know that Chest A is not all gold. Thus the all-gold chest is either Chest B or Chest C.

We also immediately know that Chest B must be either all gold or all silver, but not a mix. So take a coin from Chest B.

If it is gold, then you know Chest B is all gold. You're done.

If it is silver, then you know that Chest A is not all gold and that Chest B is not all gold. Therefore Chest C must be all gold.

Luther Lessor
Oct 15, 2015

Chest B is incorrectly labeled essentially as the only "mixed" chest. This means that Chest B Must be either all gold or it is all silver. Thus drawing one coin out of Chest B lets us know what EVERY coin in Chest B is. This gives two cases.

Case 1: We drew a gold coin out of Chest B Congratulations, you know for sure that Chest B is the 100 gold piece chest.

Case 2: We drew a silver coin out of Chest B We know that Chest B is the 100 silver coin chest. Since we know that each chest is incorrectly labeled, Chest A cannot be the 100 gold chest. Chest A cannot be the 100 silver coin chest, because that's Chest B. Thus, Chest A must be the 50/50 chest. With 2 of the chests determined, we know what Chest C is; the gold chest.

Thus, drawing one coin from Chest B informs us either way.

Steven Candra
Oct 11, 2015

From the condition givens, we know chest b wont have 50gold coins+50silvercoins. That means it can only contains 100gold or 100silver. So just check chest b since you can know which chest will have the 100gold since : if you get 1gold coin that means it is the right chest. And if you get 1 silver. It means it contains 100silver coins. So theright must be chest c because chest a wont contain 100gold coins

Henny Lim
Oct 10, 2015

The label is known to be wrong. The chest which is labelled "in doubt" is chest B: "50 gold and 50 silver". Therefore, the content of chest B could not be "50 gold and 50 silver" actually. The possibility is 100 gold, or 100 silver. That should be our major point break in finishing the problem.

Sean Adrain
Oct 10, 2015

Must be B. If all are false, then it must either have all gold or all silver. If piece is gold, then B has all the gold. If silver, then as A can't be correct due to it's false description saying it is, the chest with all gold would be C.

Nikolas Sieg
Oct 9, 2015
  • A either has 50 silver/50 gold or 100 silver. B either has 100 silver or 100 gold. C either has 50 silver/50 gold or 100 gold.

  • If you picked A, and a silver coin comes up, it tells you nothing about that chest or the others, as a silver coin could mean it is either 50 silver/50 gold OR 100 silver, and we already knew it had to be one of those two. If a gold coin comes up, it must have 50 silver/50 gold, which means C is the one with 100 gold. However this only gives you a 25% chance of knowing.

  • If you picked C, and a gold coin comes up, it tells you nothing about that chest or the others, as a gold coin could mean it is either 50 silver/50 gold OR 100 gold, and we already knew it had to be one of those two. If a silver coin comes up, it must have 50 silver/50 gold, which means B is the one with 100 gold. However, this only gives you 25% chance of knowing.

  • If you picked B, and a silver coin comes up, it means, that means it has 100 silver and C has 100 gold. If a gold coin comes up, that means it has 100 gold coins.

  • You should pick B to determine which has 100 gold coins (which would have to be either B itself or C)

  • The reasoning is actually quite simple:

_ 1. We know A can't have 100 gold coins because it says it does and we know that is a lie. It has to have one of the other two things. As such, if we picked A, we will have a 50% chance of getting gold if it has 50 silver/50 gold, and only then would we know that C has the 100 gold. We would know this because we would know A has the 50 silver/50 gold, which would mean C can't have that, and 100 gold is the only other choice for C. However, we only know this if we get a gold coin, which only has a 50% chance of happening and only if it has the 50 silver/50 gold, which is only 50% likely, so getting any significant knowledge from chest A is only 25% likely to happen. If we got a silver coin, it would mean that chest A could either have 50 silver/50 gold OR 100 silver. Since we couldn't tell which it has with a silver coin, and it having 100 silver would mean that chest B would be the one with the 100 gold, we would have to guess which has 100 gold if we picked chest A.

__ 2. We know C can't have 100 silver coins because it says it does and we know that is a lie. It has to have one of the other two things. As such, if we picked C, we will have a 50% chance of getting silver if it has 50 silver/50 gold, and only then would we know that B has the 100 gold. We would know this because we know C has the 50 silver/50 gold, which would mean A can't have that, and only 100 silver is left for chest A, meaning chest B can't have that, meaning only 100 gold is left for chest B. However, we only know this if we get a silver coin, which only has a 50% chance of happening and only if it has the 50 silver/50 gold, which is only 50% likely, so getting any significant knowledge from chest C is only 25% likely to happen. If we got a gold coin, it would mean that chest C could either have 50 silver/50 gold OR 100 gold. It would have the possibility of having 100 gold, and we would have to guess which has 100 gold if we picked chest C.

__ 3. We know chest B can't have 50 silver/50 gold coins because it says it does and we know it is a lie. It has to have one of the others. Since it can't have 50 silver/50 gold, no matter what kind of coin we get tells us something.

__ -----A. If we get a silver coin, it means that chest C has to have the 100 gold. Since chest B can't have 50 silver/50 gold, when a silver coin is picked, it has to mean that it has 100 silver. This means that chest A has to have 50 silver/50 gold, since its other option is the 100 silver that we just ruled that chest B must have. As such, the only thing left for chest C, of the 50 silver/50 gold or 100 gold, is the 100 gold.

_ -----B. If we get a gold coin, it gets really easy. As we mentioned, chest B can only have either 100 silver or a 100 gold. If a gold coin is picked up, we know chest B has 100 gold, doesn't matter what the other chests have. No matter what coin you sample if you pick chest B, significant knowledge is gained, and you can know which chest has the 100 gold (it is either chest B or chest C, by the way).

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