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Algebra Level 5

x , y , z x, y, z are positive real numbers such that x + y + z = 9 x+y+z=9 and x y + 9 x z + 25 y z = 9 x y z xy+9xz+25yz= 9xyz . Find the sum of all possible values of x y z xyz .

This problem is posed by Alexander K .


The answer is 15.

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5 solutions

Kevin Catbagan
May 20, 2014

Since x , y , z > 0 x,y,z>0 , we can divide the second equation by x y z xyz to get:

1 z + 9 y + 25 x = 9 \dfrac{1}{z} + \dfrac{9}{y} + \dfrac{25}{x} = 9 .

Rearranging and using CSI, we have

( 5 2 x + 3 2 y + 1 2 z ) ( x + y + z ) ( 5 + 3 + 1 ) 2 . \left(\dfrac{5^2}{x} + \dfrac{3^2}{y}+ \dfrac{1^2}{z}\right)(x + y + z) \geq (5+3+1)^2.

But the LHS also equals 9 2 9^2 according to our givens. The conclusion from CSI must be that corresponding components are proportional, i.e.

5 2 x x = 3 2 y y = 1 2 z z \dfrac{\frac{5^2}{x}}{x} =\dfrac{\frac{3^2}{y}}{y} =\dfrac{\frac{1^2}{z}}{z}

from which we get the unique solution x = 5 , y = 3 , z = 1 x = 5, y = 3, z=1 .

Hence the sum of all possible values of x y z xyz is 15 15 .

Here CSI is the Cauchy-Schwarz Inequality. All known solutions use either it, or the slightly simpler arithmetic-geometric mean inequality.

The common mistake was to assume that the numbers are integers. This is totally unjustified, just happens to be true.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years ago

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@Calvin Lin Can you please help if this way is correct?

x + y + z = 9 OR 1 xy + 9 xz + 25 yz = 9xyz = (x+y+z)xyz = x^2 yz + y^2 xz + z^2 xy therefore Z^2 = 1, y^2 = 9 and x^2 = 25, just comparing coefficients xy, yz and xz. There z=+-1, y = +-3 and x = +-5, the only way it can add to 15 is x=5, y=3, and z=1. Therefore xyz = 15.

Mrigank Singh - 4 years, 12 months ago

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Nope. You cannot compare coefficients for an equation. You can only compare coefficients of a identity .

For example, if we wanted to solve 2 x + 3 y = 2 × 0 + 3 × 1 2x + 3y = 2 \times 0 + 3 \times 1 , can we concude that the only way is x = 0 , y = 1 x = 0, y = 1 ?

Calvin Lin Staff - 4 years, 12 months ago

I think, you should add the case of (x = 0, y=0 , z=9) ;(x=0,y=9,z=0) (or) (x=9,y=0,z=0) to your solution. In these cases, sum of all xyz = 0. So this, value does not affect the answer, which is 15.

Manish Dash - 4 years, 10 months ago

Can you show how you've used CSI?

Satyen Dhamankar - 5 years, 10 months ago

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Can you show how you've used CSI?

I agree that there could have been a bit more elaboration on that portion of the solution. However, considering that this solution was posted over a year ago, let me just say: try thinking of the (5+3+1) term as a dot product, and see where that leads you.

Peter Byers - 5 years, 6 months ago
Qiang Xiao
May 20, 2014

xy+9xz+25yz=9xyz; Dividing both sides by xyz, we have that 1/z+9/y+25/x = 9; (z+y+x)(1/z+9/y+25/x) = 81; however, the left hand side of this equation >= ( 1+3+5 )^2 by Cauchy-Schwarz Inequality, which means that the equality must hold; hence we have z/(1/z) = y/(9/y) = x/(25/x); combining this with x+y+z = 9, and noticing that x,y,z are positive, we have that x = 5, y =3, z=1;

Lucas Reis
May 20, 2014

Dividing the initial expression for xyz>0, we have

1/z+9/y+25/x=9

And as x+y+z=9, it follows that

(1/z+9/y+25/x)(x+y+z)=81,

where (x/z++25 z/x)+(9 x/y+25 y/x)+(9 z/y+y/z)+1+25+9=81, where

(1) (x/z++25 z/x)+(9 x/y+25 y/x)+(9 z/y+y/z)=46

But the inequality AM-GM, we have

(o) (x/z++25 z/x)>= 2 5=10

(oo) (9 x/y+25 y/x)>= 2*15=30

(ooo) (9*z/y+y/z)>= 2+3=6

Thus (2) (x/z++25 z/x)+(9 x/y+25 y/x)+(9 z/y+y/z)>= 46

with the equal ocorring if, and only if there is equality in (o), (oo) and (ooo).

For equation (1), we see that the equality in (2) must occur, where we have:

  • x/z=25*z/x, where x=5z

  • 9*z/y=y/z, where y=3z

Thus, 9=x+y+z=5z+3z+z=9z, then z=1 and there is only value xyz, namely:

xyz=(5z) (3z) z=15z^3=15.

Here is a solution inspired from according wiki:

The second equation implies 1 z + 9 x + 25 y = 9. \frac{1}{z}+\frac{9}{x}+\frac{25}{y}=9. Combine with the first equation, we have z + 1 z + x + 9 x + y + 25 y = 18 , z+\frac{1}{z}+x+\frac{9}{x}+y+\frac{25}{y}=18, which can be written as ( z 2 + 1 z ) + ( x 6 + 9 x ) + ( x 10 + 25 x ) = 0. \left(z-2+\frac{1}{z}\right)+\left(x-6+\frac{9}{x}\right)+\left(x-10+\frac{25}{x}\right)=0. Since we need only positive solution, we are able to write as ( z 1 z ) 2 + ( x 3 x ) 2 + ( y 5 y ) 2 = 0. \left(\sqrt{z}-\frac{1}{\sqrt{z}}\right)^2+\left(\sqrt{x}-\frac{3}{\sqrt{x}}\right)^2+\left(\sqrt{y}-\frac{5}{\sqrt{y}}\right)^2=0. Hence the only solution is ( x , y , z ) = ( 3 , 5 , 1 ) (x,y,z)=(3,5,1) , and the answer is x y z = 15 xyz=\boxed{15} .

Nice solution using the trivial inequality :)

At it's heart, all inequalities are about perfect squares being greater than or equal to 0.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 4 months ago

Typo in the third equation. It should be ( y 10 + 25 y ) \left( y - 10 + \dfrac{25}{y} \right)

Great solution using trivial inequality! :)

Priyansh Sangule - 5 years, 1 month ago
Vineet PaHurKar
May 19, 2016

xy+9xz+25yz=9xyz; Dividing both sides by xyz, we have that 1/z+9/y+25/x = 9; (z+y+x)(1/z+9/y+25/x) = 81; however, the left hand side of this equation >= ( 1+3+5 )^2 by Cauchy-Schwarz Inequality, which means that the equality must hold; hence we have z/(1/z) = y/(9/y) = x/(25/x); combining this with x+y+z = 9, and noticing that x,y,z are positive, we have that x = 5, y =3, z=1;

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