Splitting a Single Eqn Into Two

Algebra Level 3

x + 25 + x + 49 = 18 \large \sqrt{x+25}+\sqrt{x+49}=18

The value of x x satisfying the equation above can be written as A B \dfrac{A}{B} , where A A and B B are positive coprime integers. Find A + B \sqrt{A}+\sqrt{B} .

Bonus: Solve the general case x + a + x + b = c \sqrt{x+a}+\sqrt{x+b}=c .


The answer is 23.

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6 solutions

Pi Han Goh
Jun 22, 2019

Answer to the Bonus question :

Given x + a + x + b = c \sqrt{x + a} + \sqrt{x+b} = c . Let x + a x + b = d \sqrt{x+a} - \sqrt{x+b} = d .

Using the difference of squares identity, A 2 B 2 = C 2 A^2 - B^2 = C^2 , multiplying the two equations above gives a b = c d d = a b c a - b = cd \Rightarrow d = \frac{a-b}c .

Now adding the two equations { x + a + x + b = c x + a x + b = a b c \begin{cases} \sqrt{x + a} + \sqrt{x+b} = c \\ \sqrt{x + a} - \sqrt{x+b} = \frac{a-b}c \end{cases} gives 2 x + a = c + a b c x = ( c + a b c 2 ) 2 a . 2 \sqrt{x+a} = c + \frac{a-b}c \Rightarrow x = \left(\frac{c + \frac{a-b}c}2 \right)^2 - a .

Very nice approach - you have a small typo, though: in your first paragraph, you have x b x-b instead of x + b x+b .

Chris Lewis - 1 year, 11 months ago

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Good eye. I've fixed it. Thank you.

Pi Han Goh - 1 year, 11 months ago
Aareyan Manzoor
Jun 22, 2019

the trick is, as the title suggests, to write 2 eqns. x + 25 + x + 49 = 18 ( x + 25 + x + 49 ) ( x + 25 x + 49 ) = 18 ( x + 25 x + 49 ) x + 25 x + 49 = x + 25 ( x + 49 ) 18 = 4 3 \sqrt{x+25}+\sqrt{x+49}=18 \to (\sqrt{x+25}+\sqrt{x+49})(\sqrt{x+25}-\sqrt{x+49})= 18 (\sqrt{x+25}-\sqrt{x+49}) \\ \to\sqrt{x+25}-\sqrt{x+49}=\dfrac{x+25-(x+49)}{18} = -\dfrac{4}{3} we have the two eqns x + 25 + x + 49 = 18 x + 25 x + 49 = 4 3 \sqrt{x+25}+\sqrt{x+49}=18 \\\sqrt{x+25}-\sqrt{x+49}=-\dfrac{4}{3} adding the two eqns we get 2 x + 25 = 18 4 3 x = 400 9 2\sqrt{x+25} = 18-\dfrac{4}{3} \to x = \boxed{\dfrac{400}{9}} pluging this back into the eqn, we confirm it works.

It's beautiful

Tan Sze Hian - 1 year, 11 months ago

Wow! That's clever!

Yugendra Uppalapati - 9 months, 2 weeks ago
Arjen Vreugdenhil
Jun 23, 2019

The problem is obviously symmetric in a , b a, b , so the answer should be a function of their sum and difference, s = 1 2 ( a + b ) s = \tfrac12(a+b) and d = 1 2 a b d = \tfrac12|a-b| .

Write a = s + d a = s + d and b = s d b = s - d . The equation becomes c = x + s + d + x + s d . c = \sqrt{x + s + d} + \sqrt{x + s - d}. Similar to Pi Han Goh's approach, we define q : = x + s + d x + s d , q := \sqrt{x + s + d} - \sqrt{x + s - d}, and observe that c q = ( x + s + d ) ( x + s d ) = 2 d q = 2 d c ; cq = (x+s+d) - (x+s-d) = 2d\ \ \ \therefore\ \ \ q = \frac{2d}{c}; Adding and subtracting the equations shows that c ± 2 d c = 2 x + s ± d . c \pm \frac{2d}{c} = 2\sqrt{x + s \pm d}. From this we find that x = ( c 2 ± d c ) 2 s d , x = \left(\frac{c}{2} \pm \frac{d}{c}\right)^2 - s \mp d, = ( c 2 ) 2 + ( d c ) 2 ± d s d = \left(\frac{c}{2}\right)^2 + \left(\frac{d}{c}\right)^2 \pm d - s \mp d = ( c 2 ) 2 + ( d c ) 2 s . = \left(\frac{c}{2}\right)^2 + \left(\frac{d}{c}\right)^2 - s. In this case, d = 1 2 ( 49 25 ) = 12 d = \tfrac12(49-25) = 12 and s = 1 2 ( 49 + 25 ) = 37 s = \tfrac12(49 + 25) = 37 , so that x = 9 2 + ( 2 3 ) 2 37 = 44 4 9 = 400 9 . x = 9^2 + (\tfrac 23)^2 - 37 = 44\tfrac 4 9 = \frac{400}{9}.

David Vreken
Jun 23, 2019

x + a + x + b = c \sqrt{x + a} + \sqrt{x + b} = c

( x + a + x + b ) 2 = c 2 (\sqrt{x + a} + \sqrt{x + b})^2 = c^2

( x + a ) + 2 ( x + a ) ( x + b ) + ( x + b ) = c 2 (x + a) + 2\sqrt{(x + a)(x + b)} + (x + b) = c^2

2 ( x + a ) ( x + b ) = c 2 ( x + a ) ( x + b ) 2\sqrt{(x + a)(x + b)} = c^2 - (x + a) - (x + b)

( 2 ( x + a ) ( x + b ) ) 2 = ( c 2 ( x + a ) ( x + b ) ) 2 (2\sqrt{(x + a)(x + b)})^2 = (c^2 - (x + a) - (x + b))^2

4 ( x + a ) ( x + b ) = ( c 2 ( x + a ) ( x + b ) ) 2 4(x + a)(x + b) = (c^2 - (x + a) - (x + b))^2

which simplifies to x = ( c 2 + a b ) 2 4 c 2 a x = \frac{(c^2 + a - b)^2}{4c^2} - a or equivalently x = ( c 2 a + b ) 2 4 c 2 b x = \frac{(c^2 - a + b)^2}{4c^2} - b .


In the question, a = 25 a = 25 , b = 49 b = 49 , c = 18 c = 18 , so x = ( 1 8 2 + 25 49 ) 2 4 1 8 2 25 = 400 9 x = \frac{(18^2 + 25 - 49)^2}{4 \cdot 18^2} - 25 = \frac{400}{9} , so A = 400 A = 400 , B = 9 B = 9 , and A + B = 23 \sqrt{A} + \sqrt{B} = \boxed{23} .

Chris Lewis
Jun 24, 2019

There are already great solutions to this so I'm not adding much, but wanted to highlight that there is a slightly neater way to clear the square roots.

If we square both sides of the equation as it is, we get a cross-term involving the product of two x x -terms, and after rearranging and squaring again, end up with a quadratic in x x . Everything cancels nicely here, but there's no need for the quadratic to appear at all.

Rearranging at the start to

x + a = c x + b \sqrt{x+a}=c-\sqrt{x+b}

and then squaring, we have

x + a = c 2 2 c x + b + x + b x+a=c^2-2c\sqrt{x+b}+x+b

Which simplifies to

2 c x + b = c 2 a + b 2c\sqrt{x+b}=c^2-a+b

Having already cancelled some x x s, this is now a bit simpler to solve:

x = ( c 2 a + b ) 2 4 c 2 b = a 2 + b 2 + c 4 2 a b 2 a c 2 2 b c 2 4 c 2 x=\frac{(c^2-a+b)^2}{4c^2}-b=\boxed{\frac{a^2+b^2+c^4-2ab-2ac^2-2bc^2}{4c^2}}

(the last form shows the symmetry in a a and b b a bit more clearly.)

Solving a + x + b + x = c \sqrt{a+x}+\sqrt{b+x}=c for x x gives a 2 2 a b 2 a c 2 + b 2 2 b c 2 + c 4 4 c 2 \frac{a^2-2 a b-2 a c^2+b^2-2 b c^2+c^4}{4 c^2} . Substituting a 25 a\to 25 , b 49 b\to 49 and c 18 c\to 18 gives x x as 400 9 \frac{400}{9} . Denominator [ 400 9 ] + Numerator [ 400 9 ] 23 \sqrt{\text{Denominator}[\frac{400}{9}]}+\sqrt{\text{Numerator}[\frac{400}{9}]} \Rightarrow 23 .

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