Spring to the top

A heavy mass is attached to a spring of natural length 8 m 8~\mbox{m} and spring constant k = 100 N/m k=100~\mbox{N/m} . The top of the spring is attached to a ceiling, which is 10 m 10~\mbox{m} above the mass. The mass is then pulled horizontally for a distance of 10 m 10~\mbox{m} and released. It therefore slides back along the ground towards where it started. What is the kinetic energy of the mass in Joules when it returns to its starting point?

Details and assumptions

  • The floor is frictionless.
  • The mass is heavy enough that it always rests on the ground.
  • Treat the mass as a point mass.


The answer is 1686.2.

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Guillermo Angeris
Nov 11, 2013

This diagram is extremely confusing---I thought it meant that the mass given was simply 2m high (like the previous problem, I thought it was extraneous information). Apart from this, the problem is relatively simple.

By conservation of energy: T 0 T 0 + V 0 V 0 = T f T f + V f V f \sum_{T_0} T_0+\sum_{V_0} V_0=\sum_{T_f} T_f+\sum_{V_f} V_f Clearly, then, kinetic energy: T 0 = 0 J T_0=0\text{ J} And potential energy: V 0 = 1 2 k l 2 V_0=\frac{1}{2}kl^2 Where we have: l = x f x 0 = 10 2 8 l=x_f-x_0=10\sqrt{2}-8 Then: V 0 = 1 2 k ( 10 2 8 ) 2 V_0=\frac{1}{2}k(10\sqrt{2}-8)^2 At its normal position: V f = 1 2 k ( 2 2 ) V_f=\frac{1}{2}k(2^2) This give us: T f = V 0 V f = 1 2 ( 100 ) ( 10 2 8 ) 2 1 2 ( 100 ) ( 2 2 ) 1686.2 J T_f=V_0-V_f=\frac{1}{2}(100)(10\sqrt{2}-8)^2-\frac{1}{2}(100)(2^2)\approx 1686.2\text{ J} Which is our answer.

why the xf should + the height of the point mass? my teacher told me that delta x is only counted from the height of spring only not high of point mass included.

Hafizh Ahsan Permana - 7 years, 6 months ago

Read the top comments/the top of my explanation, please.

Guillermo Angeris - 7 years, 6 months ago
Armin Namavari
Dec 23, 2013

By the Work-Energy Theorem, W = Δ K W = \Delta K . Since the initial kinetic energy is 0, the final kinetic energy is simply the change in the kinetic energy, or the work done by the mass on the spring. Since the force within the spring is variable, we must use integration to compute the work: W = F d x W = \int F \cdot {dx} . The magnitude of the force exerted by mass on the spring is F = k ( l 8 ) F = k(l - 8) , where l is the length of the spring (8 is the natural length of the spring. However, since our given values are in terms of x (the horizontal distance from the beginning), we must make the substitution l = x 2 + 100 l = \sqrt{x^2+100} . We get F ( x ) = k ( x 2 + 100 8 ) F(x) = k(\sqrt{x^2+100}-8) Now we take the integral x = 0 10 F ( x ) d x \int_{x=0}^{10} F(x) \cdot {dx} . Recall that when we take the dot product of two vectors, we multiply their magnitudes together with the cosine of the angle between them. The cosine of the angle between the force in the spring and the differential of the horizontal displacement is x x 2 + 100 \dfrac{x}{\sqrt{x^2+100}} , therefore, we can rewrite our integral as W = 100 x = 0 10 x ( x 2 + 100 8 ) d x x 2 + 100 W = 100 \int_{x=0}^{10} \dfrac{x(\sqrt{x^2+100} - 8){dx}}{\sqrt{x^2+100}} (the spring constant k = 100 k=100 , is put in front of the integral for simplicity) This integral evaluates to 1686.2 J, the correct answer.

This is exactly how I solved it.

Tong Choo - 7 years, 5 months ago

thanks bro

amgalan amgaa - 7 years, 4 months ago

Can't we split the restoring force to a horizontal and vertical component and then use the horizontal component, i.e, something of the form K*cos(theta) where tan(theta) = 8/10 ?

Sundar R - 7 years, 3 months ago
Qi Huan Tan
Nov 14, 2013

When the mass is pulled, it has elastic potential energy. When it returns to its starting point, it has elastic potential energy and translational kinetic energy.

By principle of conservation of energy, E i n i t i a l = E f i n a l \sum{E_{initial}}=\sum{E_{final}} .

1 2 k x i 2 = 1 2 k x f 2 + E k \frac{1}{2}kx_i^2=\frac{1}{2}kx_f^2+E_k

1 2 ( 100 ) ( 200 8 ) = 1 2 ( 100 ) ( 10 8 ) + E k \frac{1}{2}(100)(\sqrt{200}-8)=\frac{1}{2}(100)(10-8)+E_k

E k = 1686.2 J E_k=1686.2J

Sorry, it's principle of conservation of energy , not principle of conservation of momentum.

Qi Huan Tan - 7 years, 7 months ago
Carl Denton
Dec 22, 2013

By conservation of mechanical energy, K E 1 + P E 1 = K E 2 + P E 2 KE_1 + PE_1 = KE_2 + PE_2 . K E 1 = 0 KE_1=0 , so K E 2 = P E 1 P E 2 KE_2 = PE_1-PE_2 . Doing some trigonometry, we find that the length of the extended spring is 10 2 10\sqrt 2 , so the potential energy there is 1 2 ( 100 ) ( 10 2 8 ) 2 \frac{1}{2} (100)(10\sqrt 2-8)^2 . Thus the kinetic energy is 1 2 ( 100 ) ( 10 2 8 ) 2 1 2 ( 100 ) ( 2 ) 2 = 1686.214 \frac{1}{2}(100)(10\sqrt 2 - 8)^2 - \frac{1}{2}(100)(2)^2 = 1686.214 J.

Rui-Xian Siew
Nov 17, 2013

When the spring is pulled over a horizontal distance of 10m, its length is 1 0 2 + 1 0 2 \sqrt{10^{2}+10^{2}} = 200 \sqrt{200}

Its extended length is x= 200 \sqrt{200} -8 . Its total potential energy is 1 2 \frac{1}{2} k x 2 x^{2} =1886.29J

When return to starting point, the spring still has extension of 10-8=2 m and potential energy= 1 2 \frac{1}{2} k( 2 2 2^{2} )=200J . So when the spring returns to starting point, the portion of potential energy converted to kinetic energy is 1886.29-200= 1686.29 J \boxed{1686.29J}

Noel Lo
Nov 11, 2013

(KE+PE)initial = (KE+PE)final by Law of Conservation of Energy 0+ \frac{1}{2}ke {1}^2 = KE + \frac{1}{2}ke {2}^2 \frac{1}{2}(100)(10\sqrt{2} - 8)^2 = KE+ \frac{1}{2}(100)(10-8)^2 KE = 50(2^2)- 50(10\sqrt{2} - 8)^2 = 1686.2 J

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