Square inside a square

Geometry Level 3

In the figure above, we have a square and a circle inside a larger square.

Find the radius of the circle, to 3 decimal places.


The answer is 2.343.

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12 solutions

Paola Ramírez
Feb 26, 2015

Let x x the redius of the circle

x 2 = x + r x\sqrt{2}=x+r so r = x 2 x r=x\sqrt{2}-x

Then

x + x + r = 4 2 x+x+r=4\sqrt{2}

2 x + x 2 x = 4 2 2x+x\sqrt{2}-x=4\sqrt{2}

x ( 2 + 1 ) = 4 2 x(\sqrt{2}+1)=4\sqrt{2}

x = 4 2 2 + 1 2.343 \boxed{x=\frac{4\sqrt{2}}{\sqrt{2}+1} \approx 2.343}

You can also do x + x s i n 4 5 = 4 x + xsin45^{\circ} = 4 and then solve for x x . This will take you to the answer in 2 - 3 steps. (I have posted my solution for details).

Purushottam Abhisheikh - 6 years, 3 months ago

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Used same approach though with cos, which is indeed the same when angle is 45 degrees. Seems more simple than first method.

Michael S240andF360 - 1 year, 2 months ago

Its cos. Not sin.

Arijit Ghosh - 6 years, 3 months ago

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It does not matter if angle is 4 5 45^{\circ} .

Purushottam Abhisheikh - 6 years, 3 months ago

It would be great, if you explain each step so that other may rationally understand each step, E.g. Why x + x + r = 4 (under root 2). Many kids would be pleased to have this question answered in detail.

usman tahir - 6 years, 3 months ago

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As the side of bigger square is 3 times the side of smaller square, the length of their diagonals will also be in the same proportion. Therefore, x + x + r = twice the diagonal of smaller square = 2 x( 2 root 2) = 4(under root 2).

j chaturvedi - 6 years, 3 months ago

Solved in the same way!!

PUSHPESH KUMAR - 5 years, 8 months ago

How do we know that the diagonal passes through the center of the circle.

Prayas Rautray - 3 years, 10 months ago

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Because the circle is tangent to the square

Paola Ramírez - 3 years, 10 months ago

How do you know that the diagnol of small square is a part of diagnol of large squares and diameter? Please provide a proof of possible

Saksham Jain - 3 years, 3 months ago

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The diagonal is an axe of symmetry

Prenom Nom - 2 years, 5 months ago

The diagonal in this case is the angle bisector to the pair of perpendicular tangents to the circle. They always pass through the centre in any given case

Vivek Radhakrishnan - 2 years, 1 month ago

Why in the world would you have a variable r that is not the radius? That seems really unintuitive

Henry Pontzer - 2 years ago

Where do you create these diagrams (because I was thinking of creating a geometry problem myself )?

Curtis Clement - 6 years, 3 months ago

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I create with GeoGebra

Paola Ramírez - 6 years, 3 months ago

You can simply create in MS Word or MS Paint.

Purushottam Abhisheikh - 6 years, 3 months ago

sala answer 2.5 hoga tum log galat hai

Vivek Bharati - 6 years, 3 months ago

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Yes my answer is also 2.5

Shivam Garg - 6 years, 3 months ago

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If you are confident about your answer then post your solution.

Purushottam Abhisheikh - 6 years, 3 months ago

bhai, 2.34383 barobar hai

Rohit Patke - 6 years, 2 months ago

btw writing in hindi isn't really gonna help the mexican read your response

Vivek Radhakrishnan - 2 years, 1 month ago

From the figure we see that r c o s 4 5 + r = 4 rcos45^\circ + r = 4

\implies r 2 + r = 4 \dfrac{r}{\sqrt{2}} +r = 4

Solving this equation we would get r = 4 2 2 + 1 2.343 u n i t s r = \dfrac{4\sqrt{2}}{\sqrt{2}+1} \approx 2.343 units .

Ingenious!

AccelNano Lim Loong - 6 years, 3 months ago

Perfect!..I did the same..

Siddhant Puranik - 6 years, 3 months ago

how you got rcos45?

Pooja Rao - 5 years, 11 months ago

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I hope this will help you.

Purushottam Abhisheikh - 5 years, 11 months ago

I used a trick and said that r = 4 - (4/(1+sqrt(2))) to get a more precise result, does it help the rounding ?

Liviu Vigu-Giurea - 3 years, 9 months ago

This was my way too.

Félix Pérez Haoñie - 2 years, 5 months ago
Robert DeLisle
Feb 21, 2018

Let the top and right sides of the square be the x and y axis respectively (in the third quadrant). Let the radius of the circle be "r". We can write an equation of the circle. The center is (-r,-r) because it is touching both axis in the third quadrant. The radius is r as we give it. Therefore, the equation is (x+r)^2 + (y+r)^2 = r^2.

Now we need to substitute in a value. As it touches the tip of that square, we can substitute in that value. On the co-ordinate plane, that is equivalent to (-4,-4). We then get the equation r^2 - 16r + 32 = 0. Solving, we get 8 - 4*sqrt(2) which is equivalent to 2.343.

Nice solution with coordinate geometry :)

Paola Ramírez - 5 years, 1 month ago

Yes, I also think it's an ingenious way of solution. I thought of it but in the first quadrant, so it seemed complicate and I looked for another way. Taking the whole figure to the third quadrant is brilliant.

Félix Pérez Haoñie - 2 years, 5 months ago

r + r + 1 2 \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} r + 2 r + 2 = 6 = 6

r + r + 1 2 \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} r r = 4 = 4

1 + 2 2 \frac{1 + \sqrt{2}}{\sqrt{2}} r r = 4 = 4

r = r = 4 2 2 + 1 \frac{4\sqrt{2}}{\sqrt{2}+1}

Nmego Nmego
Mar 11, 2017

Tara Fife
Aug 15, 2016

We get that x x is 1 2 \frac1{\sqrt{2}} . So 2 = ( 6 2 r ) + ( r 2 r ) 2 = (6-2r)+(r-\sqrt{2}r) , giving us r = 4 1 + 2 r=\frac{4}{1+\sqrt{2}} .

That does not calculate out to 2.343.. i dont believe your 1st statement is correct. Shouldn't it be r/(sqrt2)?

Mark Brown - 3 years, 4 months ago

It needs to be r-(rsqrt2)/2... then it comes out right

Mark Brown - 3 years, 4 months ago
Luca Rossi
Jan 9, 2016

Am I the only one who has used analitic geometry?

Hello @Luca Rossi also @FrEshy Pisuttisarun has used coordinate geometry

Paola Ramírez - 5 years, 1 month ago
Tom Engelsman
Jan 10, 2021

Placing the corner B B at the origin of the x y xy- plane, the circle can be modeled as [ x ( 6 r ) ] 2 + [ y ( 6 r ) ] 2 = r 2 [x-(6-r)]^2 + [y-(6-r)]^2 = r^2 . The circle intersects the smaller square at ( x , y ) = ( 2 , 2 ) (x,y) = (2,2) , which gives;

[ 2 ( 6 r ) ] 2 + [ 2 ( 6 r ) ] 2 = r 2 [2-(6-r)]^2 + [2-(6-r)]^2 = r^2 ;

or 2 ( r 4 ) 2 = r 2 ; 2(r-4)^2 = r^2;

or 2 ( r 4 ) = ± r \sqrt{2}(r-4) = \pm r

or r = 4 2 2 1 r = \frac{4\sqrt{2}}{\sqrt{2} \mp 1} ;

or r = 4 2 ( 2 ± 1 ) = 8 ± 4 2 r = 4\sqrt{2} \cdot (\sqrt{2} \pm 1) = 8 \pm 4\sqrt{2} .

Since the minus root makes physical sense for this nested configuration, the radius is just r = 8 4 2 2.343 . \boxed{r = 8-4\sqrt{2} \approx 2.343}.

İlker Can Erten
Nov 20, 2019

h + r = 4. h+r=4 .

2 r 2 2 = 2 h 2 \frac{2r}{2\sqrt{2}}=\frac{2h}{2}

h = r 2 h=\frac{r}{\sqrt{2}}

r + r 2 = 4 \Rightarrow r+\frac{r}{\sqrt{2}}=4

r = 8 2 + 2 2.343 r=\frac{8}{2+\sqrt{2}} \approx 2.343

David Garcia
May 18, 2017

I defined the distance from point O to line BC as x and the radius of the circle as r. Then using the length of one side: x = 6 - r. I then drew an isosceles right triangle in the bottom left of the large square. From the pythagorean theorem (x)^2 + (x)^2 = (r + 2*sqrt(2))^2. You can substitute 6-r into x in the equation above and then solve the resulting equation for r. Sorry I don't know how to use math formatting.

By the pythagorean theorem, we have

R 2 = ( R 4 ) 2 + ( R 4 ) 2 R^2=(R-4)^2+(R-4)^2

R 2 = R 2 8 R + 16 + R 2 8 R + 16 R^2=R^2-8R+16+R^2-8R+16

0 = R 2 16 R + 32 0=R^2-16R+32

R = 4 ( 2 2 ) R=4(2-\sqrt{2}) or R = 4 ( 2 + 2 ) R=4(2+\sqrt{2})

The desired answer is R = 4 ( 2 2 ) 2.343145751 R=4(2-\sqrt{2})\approx 2.343145751

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Harsh Chaudhari - 1 year, 8 months ago

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Please tell me is this right

Harsh Chaudhari - 1 year, 8 months ago

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