Sreejato's triangle

Geometry Level 5

In triangle A B C ABC , A B = 41 AB = \sqrt{41} and A C = 164 AC = \sqrt{ 164} . The internal angle bisector of B A C BAC meets B C BC at D D . Given that lengths A D AD and D C DC are positive integers, what is the value of A D + D C AD+DC ?

This problem is proposed by Sreejato .


The answer is 14.

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13 solutions

Jesse Zhang
May 20, 2014

From the angle-bisector theorem, we know that B D D C = A B A C = 41 164 = 1 2 . \frac{BD}{DC}=\frac{AB}{AC}=\frac{\sqrt{41}}{\sqrt{164}}=\frac{1}{2}. Thus we let B D = x , D C = 2 x . BD=x, DC=2x. Additionally, we can let A D = y . AD=y. From a direct application of Stewart's Theorem on A B C \triangle ABC , we obtain 82 x + 164 x = 3 x ( y 2 + 2 x 2 ) . 82x+164x=3x(y^2+2x^2). That is, y 2 + 2 x 2 = 82. y^2+2x^2=82. Since y y and 2 x 2x are both integers, we find that ( x , y ) = ( 8 , 3 ) (x,y)=(8,3) is the only solution which yields A D + D C = y + 2 x = 14. AD+DC=y+2x=14.

A typo !! (3,8) = (x,y).

Niranjan Khanderia - 5 years, 6 months ago

Exactly Same method

Divyansh Choudhary - 5 years, 4 months ago
Daren Khu
May 20, 2014

Let B A D = D A C = α , A D = x \angle BAD = \angle DAC = \alpha, AD = x and B D = y BD = y

B D D C = a r e a o f B A D a r e a o f D A C = 1 2 ( A B ) ( A D ) s i n α 1 2 ( A C ) ( A D ) s i n α = 41 164 = 1 2 \frac {BD}{DC} = \frac {area of BAD}{area of DAC} = \frac {\frac {1}{2} (AB)(AD) sin \alpha}{\frac {1}{2} (AC)(AD) sin \alpha} = \frac {\sqrt{41}}{\sqrt{164}} = \frac {1}{2}

Using cosine rule, we have

y 2 = 41 + x 2 2 41 x c o s α ( 1 ) y^2 = 41 + x^2 - 2\sqrt{41}x cos \alpha - (1)

( 2 y ) 2 = 164 + x 2 4 41 x c o s α ( 2 ) (2y)^2 = 164 + x^2 - 4\sqrt{41}x cos \alpha - (2)

Multiplying (1) by 4 we get:

4 y 2 = 164 + 4 x 2 8 41 x c o s α ( 3 ) 4y^2 = 164 + 4x^2 - 8\sqrt{41}x cos \alpha - (3)

Subtracting (2) from (3) we get:

0 = 3 x 2 4 41 x c o s α 0 = 3x^2 - 4\sqrt{41}x cos \alpha

x = 4 3 41 c o s α x = \frac{4}{3} \sqrt {41} cos \alpha (since x x is not zero)

c o s α = 3 4 41 x ( 4 ) cos \alpha = \frac {3}{4\sqrt{41}}x - (4)

Substituting (4) back into 2 we get:

( 2 y ) 2 = 164 + x 2 4 41 x 3 4 41 x = 164 + x 2 3 x 2 = 164 2 x 2 (2y)^2 = 164 + x^2 - 4\sqrt{41}x \frac {3}{4\sqrt{41}}x = 164 + x^2 - 3x^2 = 164 - 2x^2

2 x 2 + ( 2 y ) 2 = 164 2x^2 + (2y)^2 = 164

Note that A D = x AD = x and D C = 2 y DC = 2y .Trying 2 y 2y from integers 1 to 12 and finding the respective x x , we notice that only 2 y = 6 2y = 6 will produce an integer x x , which is x = 8 x = 8 .

Therefore, A D + D C = 8 + 6 = 14 AD + DC = 8+6 = 14

Interesting note: We can apply Stewart's theorem to this problem after realising that B D D C = 1 2 \frac {BD}{DC} = \frac {1}{2} . Using the theorem, we can simplify the equation A B 2 × D C + A C 2 × B D = B C × ( A D 2 + B D × D C ) AB^2 \times DC + AC^2 \times BD = BC \times (AD^2 + BD \times DC) to get x 2 + 2 y 2 = 82 x^2 + 2y^2 = 82 , which when multiplied by 2, gives us 2 x 2 + 4 y 2 = 164 2x^2 + 4y^2 = 164 , similar to the equation above.

Several solutions directly used Stewart's Theorem, which can be derived from Cosine rule in a similar manner.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years ago

Yeah stewarts theorem does it all

Mardokay Mosazghi - 6 years, 12 months ago
Hero P.
May 20, 2014

Let $DC = p$, $DC = q$, and $BC = a-p$. We first show that $a = \frac{3}{2} p$. Given that $\angle BAD = \angle CAD = \alpha/2$, then by the Law of Sines, $\frac{\sin \alpha/2}{p} = \frac{\sin \gamma}{q}$, where $\gamma = \angle ACB$. But we also have $\frac{\sin \gamma}{\sqrt{41}} = \frac{\sin \alpha}{a}$ for the whole $\triangle ABC$, so it follows that $\frac{\sin \alpha/2}{p} = \frac{\sqrt{41} \sin \alpha}{aq}$. Similarly by considering $\beta = \angle ABC$, we have $\frac{\sin \alpha/2}{a-p} = \frac{\sqrt{164} \sin\alpha}{aq}$. Now dividing these two results gives $\frac{a-p}{p} = \frac{\sqrt{41}}{\sqrt{164}} = \frac{1}{2}$, which shows our claim that $a = \frac{3}{2} p$, and in particular, $BD = p/2$.

Next we use the Law of Cosines to obtain $\frac{164 + q^2 - p^2}{2q\sqrt{164}} = \cos \frac{\alpha}{2} = \frac{41 + q^2 - (p/2)^2}{2q \sqrt{41}}$. This simplifies to the Diophantine equation $2q^2 + p^2 = 164$ for positive integers $p, q$. By the triangle inequality, we must have $6 = \sqrt{36} < \sqrt{41} < q < \sqrt{164} < \sqrt{169} = 13$, or $7 \le q \le 12$. Similarly, $6 < \sqrt{164} - \sqrt{41} < \frac{3}{2}p < \sqrt{41} + \sqrt{164} = 3 \sqrt{41}$, or $5 \le p \le 12$. Since our Diophantine condition requires $p$ be even (otherwise the LHS is odd), we need only check the possibilities $p \in { 6, 8, 10, 12 }$. We find the only solution is $p = 6$, $q = 8$, and therefore $AD + DC = p+q = 14$.

Jerry Hermanto
May 20, 2014

A B = 41 AB = \sqrt{41} and A C = 164 = 2 41 AC = \sqrt{164} = 2\sqrt{41}
By law of internal angle bisector, we get B D D C = A B A C = 41 2 41 = 1 2 \frac{BD}{DC} = \frac{AB}{AC} = \frac{\sqrt{41}}{2\sqrt{41}} = \frac{1}{2}
Therefore, D C = 2 B D DC = 2BD
Let D C = x DC = x where x x is a positive integer
B D = D C 2 = x 2 BD = \frac{DC}{2} = \frac{x}{2}
B C = B D + D C = x 2 + x = 3 2 x BC = BD+DC = \frac{x}{2} + x = \frac{3}{2}x
According to Stewart law, A D 2 × B C = A B 2 × D C + A C 2 × B D B D × D C × B C AD^2 \times BC = AB^2 \times DC + AC^2 \times BD - BD \times DC \times BC
A D 2 × 3 2 x = 41 × x + 82 × x 3 4 x 3 AD^2 \times \frac{3}{2}x = 41 \times x + 82 \times x - \frac{3}{4}x^3
A D 2 = 82 x 2 2 AD^2 = 82-\frac{x^2}{2}
Since A D AD is a positive integer, then x x must be an even number or x = 2 k x=2k where k k is a positive integer
A D 2 = 82 ( 2 k ) 2 2 = 82 2 k 2 = 2 ( 41 k 2 ) AD^2 = 82 - \frac{(2k)^2}{2} = 82-2k^2 = 2(41-k^2)
Since A D 2 = 2 ( 41 k 2 ) AD^2 = 2(41-k^2) , then 41 k 2 > 0 41-k^2 > 0 or k k is a positive integer less than 7 7
By trying k = 1 , 2 , , 6 k=1,2, \dots,6 , we get the only value of k k is 3 3 such that 82 2 k 2 82-2k^2 is a perfect square
B C = 3 2 x = 3 k = 9 BC = \frac{3}{2}x = 3k = 9
We can easily check that 41 , 2 41 , 9 \sqrt{41}, 2\sqrt{41}, 9 are three sides of a triangle or there exists a triangle with sides 41 , 2 41 , 9 \sqrt{41}, 2\sqrt{41}, 9
Therefore, k = 3 k=3 satisfies the condition
A D = 82 2 ( 3 ) 2 = 8 AD = \sqrt{82-2(3)^2} = 8
D C = x = 2 k = 2 ( 3 ) = 6 DC=x=2k=2(3)=6
A D + D C = 8 + 6 = 14 AD+DC = 8+6 = 14
And we are done





Suppose AD produced meets the circumcircle of ΔABC at P. Note that angle ABD= angle APC being angles in the same segment determined by AC. Since AD is the internal bisector of angle BAC, angle BAD= angle DAC. Thus we can conclude that triangles ABD and APC are similar. Thus, AB/AP=AD/AC. This implies AB.AC=AD.AP. Now AD^2=AD(AP-DP)= AD.AP-AD.DP. So AD.AP=AD^2+ AD.DP. Putting this value in the previously found equation, we obtain AB.AC=AD^2+ AD.DP. But from the Secant theorem, AD.DP=BD.DC. Putting this value, AB.AC=AD^2+ BD.DC. Note that from Internal Angle Bisector Theorem, AB/AC=BD/DC, which implies BD=(AB.DC)/AC . Plugging this value and multiplying both sides by AC/AB gives AC^2=(AD^2.AC)/AB+ DC^2. Let AD=x, DC=y. Substituting the values gives 164=2x^2+ y^2. It can easily be verified that the only positive integral solution to the equation is (x,y)=(8,6). This gives AD=8, DC=6. So, AD+DC=14.

Zhang Ning
Aug 12, 2013

When I first saw this problem I definitely thought it would utilize exterior right triangles and Fermat's theorem that p = a 2 + b 2 p = a^2 + b^2 iff p = 4 k + 1 p = 4k + 1 . Oh well. Anyways, on to the solution.

Draw a triangle A B C ABC as indicated in the question. Because of the angle bisector theorem, B D = x BD = x and D C = 2 x DC = 2x . Say m A D C = θ m\angle ADC = \theta and m A D B = 180 θ m\angle ADB = 180 - \theta . Finally, say A D = y AD = y . Next, use law of cosines:

164 = y 2 + 4 x 2 2 ( y ) ( 2 x ) c o s θ 164 = y^2 + 4x^2 - 2(y)(2x)cos\theta

41 = y 2 + x 2 2 ( y ) ( x ) c o s ( 180 θ ) 41 = y^2 + x^2 - 2(y)(x)cos(180 - \theta)

Multiply the second equation by 2 and apply the identity c o s ( 180 θ ) = c o s θ cos(180 - \theta) = -cos\theta to get 82 = 2 y 2 + 2 x 2 + 4 x y c o s θ 82 = 2y^2 + 2x^2 + 4xycos\theta Adding this equation and the first equation together we get 246 = 3 y 2 + 6 x 2 82 = y 2 + 2 x 2 246 = 3y^2 + 6x^2 \rightarrow 82 = y^2 + 2x^2 Since y y and 2 x 2x must be integers, then x x must also be an integer. The only solution that satisfies this equation is ( 3 , 8 ) (3, 8) . Thus, x + 2 y = 8 + 6 = 14 x + 2y = 8 + 6 = 14 .

This solution is more complete, as it even takes into account that a priori, we only know that 2 x 2x is integer, not x x .

C Lim - 7 years, 10 months ago
Huy Võ Văn
May 20, 2014

For any triangle A B C ABC , we denote that A B = c , B C = a , A C = b AB = c, BC = a, AC = b , S A B C S_{ABC} is the square of triangle ABC and l a l_{a} is the length of internal angle bisector of A B C ABC , then

l a = b c ( b + c + a ) ( b + c a ) b + c l_{a} = \dfrac {\sqrt{bc(b+c+a)(b+c-a)}}{b+c} .

There are a number of ways to prove this equation. Here is one of them.

S A B C = S A B D + S A C D S_{ABC}=S_{ABD}+S_{ACD}

b c s i n A = c . A D s i n A 2 + b . A D s i n A 2 \Rightarrow bcsinA=c.ADsin\dfrac{A}{2}+b.ADsin\dfrac{A}{2}

A D = 2 b c b + c . c o s A 2 \Rightarrow AD=\dfrac{2bc}{b+c}.cos\dfrac{A}{2}

A D 2 = 2 b 2 c 2 ( b + c ) 2 . ( c o s A + 1 ) = 2 b 2 c 2 ( b + c ) 2 . ( b + c ) 2 a 2 2 b c \Rightarrow AD^2=\dfrac{2b^2c^2}{(b+c)^2}.(cosA+1)=\dfrac{2b^2c^2}{(b+c)^2}.\dfrac{(b+c)^2-a^2}{2bc}

A D = b c ( b + c + a ) ( b + c a ) b + c \Rightarrow AD=\dfrac {\sqrt{bc(b+c+a)(b+c-a)}}{b+c} .

With b = 41 b=\sqrt{41} and c = 164 c=\sqrt{164} we have l a = 2 ( 369 a 2 ) 3 l_{a}=\dfrac{\sqrt{2(369-a^2)}}{3} . This implies that the value of l a l_{a} is an integer in [ 1 , 9 ] [1, 9] .

Because AD is the internal angle bisector of A B C ABC , we have C D B C = A C A B + A C = 2 3 \dfrac{CD}{BC}=\dfrac{AC}{AB+AC}=\dfrac{2}{3} . In other side, the length of CD is an positive integer therefore the length of BC is a rational number.

Combining two results above, we can compute directly and see that there is only a value l a = 8 l_{a}=8 corresponding to a rational value of a ( a = 9 ) a (a=9) . Therefore, A D = 8 AD=8 and it is easy to see that C D = 6 CD=6 .

Finally A D + C D = 14 AD+CD=14 .

Duc Minh Phan
May 20, 2014

For simplicity, put 41 = a , B C = b \sqrt{41}=a, BC=b . We have D B D C = A B A C = 2 \frac{DB}{DC} = \frac{AB}{AC} = 2 . Then D C = 2 3 b DC = \frac{2}{3} b . We have A D = 2 A B A C cos A 2 A B + A C = 4 3 a cos A 2 AD=\frac{2 \cdot AB \cdot AC \cdot \cos \frac{A}{2}}{AB+AC} = \frac{4}{3} \cdot a \cdot \cos \frac{A}{2} . On the other hand, we have cos A 2 = ( A B + A C + B C ) ( A B + A C B C ) 2 A B A C = 9 a 2 b 2 8 a 2 \cos\frac{A}{2} = \sqrt{\frac{(AB+AC+BC)(AB+AC-BC)}{2 \cdot AB \cdot AC}} = \sqrt{\frac{9a^2-b^2}{8a^2}} . Therefore, A D = 4 3 a 9 a 2 b 2 8 a 2 = 1 3 2 ( 369 b 2 ) AD = \frac{4}{3} \cdot a \cdot \sqrt{\frac{9a^2-b^2}{8a^2}} = \frac{1}{3} \cdot \sqrt{2(369-b^2)} . Thus, A D + D C = 1 3 ( 2 ( 369 b 2 ) + 2 b ) AD+DC = \frac{1}{3} \left( \sqrt{2(369-b^2)} +2b \right) . Since the length of C D CD is a positive integer, we deduce that 3 b 3 \mid b . Otherwise, by triangle inequality, we have 41 < b < 3 41 b { 9 , 12 , 15 , 18 } \sqrt{41} < b < 3\sqrt{41} \Rightarrow b \in \{ 9, 12, 15, 18\} . By calculating directly, we obtain that b = 3 b=3 and A D + D C = 14 AD+DC=14 .

Brick Stone
May 20, 2014

Let lengths AD = d, BD = m, CD = n By Angle-Bisector thm, n=2m Then, applying Stewart's thm and simplifying, we get n^2+2d^2 = 164 Letting n=2k, d=2r, we get k^2+2r^2 = 41 k has to be odd. Testing for 1 and 3, we find (k,r) = (3,4) works. Therefore, (d,n) = (6,8), total value is 14.

We know that D C B D = A C A B = 164 41 = 2 \dfrac{DC}{BD}=\dfrac{AC}{AB}=\dfrac{\sqrt{164}}{\sqrt{41}}=2 Let B D = z BD=z , implies D C = 2 z DC=2z , and A D = x AD=x . Then z 2 = 41 + x 2 2 x 41 cos ( B A D ) . . . ( 1 ) z^2=41+x^2-2x\sqrt{41}\cos(\angle BAD)...(1) and 4 z 2 = 164 + x 2 2 x 164 cos ( C A D ) . . ( 2 ) 4z^2=164+x^2-2x\sqrt{164}\cos(\angle CAD)..(2) Since B A D = C A D \angle BAD = \angle CAD , Then eliminating ( 2 ) (2) with 2 ( 1 ) 2*(1) , we will get that 2 z 2 = 82 x 2 2z^2=82-x^2 x x must be even, and 2 x 8 2\le x\le 8 . For x = 2 , 4 , 6 x=2,4,6 , we will get that z z is not integer. But for x = 8 x=8 , we will get that z = 3 z=3 . So A D + D C = x + 2 z = 8 + 6 = 14 AD+DC=x+2z=8+6=14

Moderator note:

There are numerous ways to arrive at the conclusion that x 2 + 2 z 2 = 82 x^2 + 2z^2 = 82 .

How did you get D C B D = A C A B \frac{DC}{BD} = \frac{AC}{AB} ?

Matt McNabb - 7 years, 10 months ago

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This is called the angle-bisector theorem which tells us that each angle bisector of a triangle divides the opposite side into segments proportional in length to the adjacent sides. That's how he got D C B D = A C A B \frac{DC}{BD}=\frac{AC}{AB} .

Hope this helped!

Mursalin Habib - 7 years, 10 months ago

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Oh, I wanted to reply. but looks like Mursalin have helped you, Sir Matt. Thanks :)

Christyan Tamaro Nadeak - 7 years, 10 months ago

Thanks. I worked it out using the law of sines , but it is good to know for next time that there's a shortcut :)

Matt McNabb - 7 years, 10 months ago

Also note Stewart's Theorem is basically proved by what you did, using the law of cosines and eliminating the cosine term, and simplifies some of the algebra.

Daniel Chiu - 7 years, 10 months ago

Angle Bisector Theorem gives, B D D C = b c = 41 164 = 1 2 . \text{Angle Bisector Theorem gives,}\\ \dfrac{BD}{DC}= \dfrac b c= \dfrac{ \sqrt{41} }{ \sqrt{164} }= \dfrac 1 2. \\ \therefore ~DC=2*BD. \implies \color{#3D99F6}{DC=\dfrac 2 3 *(BD+DC)=\dfrac 2 3 *a. ~~\implies ~~3|a}\\ AD=l_a=\dfrac{ \sqrt{bc*(b+c+a)(b+c _ a) } {b+c}\\ =\dfrac{ \sqrt{ \sqrt{41}*\sqrt{164}*(3*\sqrt{41} - a^2} } {3*\sqrt{41}.\\ =\dfrac{ \sqrt{ 2*(3*\sqrt{41} - a^2} } {3} \\ Since ~ l_a ~ is ~an ~ integer, ~ \sqrt{ 2*2*\dfrac{ (369 -a^2) }{18} } \text{must be a perfect square.}\\ For ~ this, ~ (369 -a^2) ~ must ~ be ~ even, ~ \implies ~a^2 ~ must ~ be ~ odd, ~ but ~ 3|a, ~ \therefore ~ a=3,9,…\\ For ~ a=3 ~ \dfrac{ (369 -a^2) }{18} ~ is ~ not ~ a ~ perfect ~ square.\\ For ~ a=9 ~ \dfrac{ (369 -a^2) }{18}=16.\\ \therefore ~ AD=l_a=\sqrt{2*2*16}=8. ~~~~~ DC=\dfrac 2 3 *a=6.\\ \implies ~ AD + DC=8 + 6 =\Large ~~~~\color{#D61F06}{14}

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Niranjan Khanderia - 5 years, 6 months ago
Figel Ilham
Oct 13, 2015

Obviously, B D D C = 1 2 \frac{BD}{DC}=\frac{1}{2} , so let B D = m D C = 2 m BD =m \Rightarrow DC = 2m and A D = k AD = k . Stewart's Theorem said that on Δ A B C \Delta ABC , we have 82 m + 164 m = 3 m ( k 2 + 2 m 2 ) 82m+164m=3m(k^2+2m^2) 246 m = 3 m ( k 2 + 2 m 2 246m = 3m(k^2+2m^2 k 2 + 2 m 2 = 82 k^2+2m^2=82 k 2 = 82 2 m 2 k^2 = 82-2m^2

In equation k 2 = 82 2 m 2 k^2 = 82-2m^2 , we conclude that 2 k 2|k . Let k = 2 p k=2p , then we have 4 p 2 = 82 2 m 2 4p^2=82-2m^2 2 p 2 = 41 m 2 2p^2=41-m^2 m 2 = 41 2 p 2 m^2=41-2p^2

We know that 41 2 p 2 0 41-2p^2\geq 0 so p 4 p\leq 4 since k k is positive, so p p is positive too. Because k , p k, p are integers and m m is the positive multiple of 0.5 0.5 (look at the relation B D BD and D C DC ), we may attempt trials and errors. For several attempts, we may have that for p = 4 m = 3 p= 4 \Rightarrow m= 3 and k = 8 k = 8 . We know that B D = m = 3 BD=m=3 , so D C = 2 m = 6 DC = 2m = 6 . Finally, A D + D C = 8 + 6 = 14 AD+DC = 8+6 =14

Kamlesh Kumar
Aug 14, 2013

take AD=y and DC=2x gives BD=x. Now apply cosine rule for angle ADC and ADB. Add them to get 2x^2+y^2=82. Which gives AD=8 and CD=6

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