Stationary point between sun and earth

There is a special point between Sun and Earth where a spacecraft can be parked, so that it always remains directly between them, at a fixed distance x x from Earth, as Earth rotates around the Sun. A spacecraft can remain at this point without using any thrust.

What is the distance x x of this point from the Earth in gigameters? ( 1 gigameter = 1 0 6 km ) \big(1\text{ gigameter}=10^6\text{ km}\big)

Details and Assumptions:

  • The masses of the Earth and the Sun have a ratio of 1 : 333 , 000. 1: 333,000.
  • The distance between the Earth and the Sun is a 150 1 0 6 km . a \approx 150 \cdot 10^6 \text{ km}.
  • The radii of the Earth and the Sun are negligibly small.


The answer is 1.5.

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3 solutions

Markus Michelmann
Apr 24, 2018

The earth orbits the sun sun in a distance a a with the angular velocity Ω = 2 π / year \Omega = 2 \pi / \text{year} . For this orbit, the gravitational force of the sun and the centrifugal force must be in balance: F g = G M E M S a 2 = M E Ω 2 a = F cf Ω 2 = G M S a 3 \begin{aligned} F_g = \frac{G M_E M_S}{a^2} &= M_E \Omega^2 a = F_\text{cf} \\ \Rightarrow \quad \Omega^2 &= \frac{G M_S}{a^3} \end{aligned} The spacecraft orbits the sun at the same angular velocity Ω \Omega , so that it remains static relative to the sun and earth. The sun and the earth exert gravitational forces on the spacecraft. In addition, the centrifugal force acts on the spacecraft. In equilibrium F g = F cf G m M S ( a x ) 2 G m M E x 2 = m Ω 2 ( a x ) = G m M S a 3 ( a x ) \begin{aligned} & & F_g &= F_\text{cf} \\ \Rightarrow & & \frac{G m M_S}{(a-x)^2} - \frac{G m M_E}{x^2} &= m \Omega^2 (a - x) = \frac{G m M_S}{a^3} (a -x) \end{aligned} Assuming that the distance x x is small compared to the Sun-Earth distance ( x a x \ll a ), we can make a linear Taylor expansion of the 1st term: 1 ( a x ) 2 1 a 2 + 2 x a 3 + O ( x 2 a 2 ) G m M S a 2 + 2 G m M S x a 3 G m M E x 2 G m M S a 3 ( a x ) 3 G m M S a 3 x G m M E x 2 x M E 3 M S 3 a 1 999 , 000 3 a 1 0 6 3 a = 1 0 2 a = 1.5 1 0 6 km \begin{aligned} & & \frac{1}{(a - x)^2} &\approx \frac{1}{a^2} + 2 \frac{x}{a^3} + \mathcal{O}\left( \frac{x^2}{a^2} \right)\\ \Rightarrow & & \frac{G m M_S}{a^2} + 2 \frac{G m M_S x}{a^3} - \frac{G m M_E}{x^2}& \approx \frac{G m M_S}{a^3} (a -x) \\ \Rightarrow & & \frac{3 G m M_S}{a^3} x &\approx \frac{G m M_E}{x^2} \\ \Rightarrow & & x &\approx \sqrt[3]{\frac{M_E}{3 M_S}} \cdot a \\ & & &\approx \sqrt[3]{\frac{1}{999,000}} \cdot a \approx \sqrt[3]{10^{-6} } \cdot a = 10^{-2} \cdot a = 1.5 \cdot 10^6 \,\text{km} \end{aligned}

There's no indication in the question that the spacecraft must stay in equilibrium during all the year.

Lucas Guimarães - 3 years, 1 month ago

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"A spacecraft parked at this point remains static relative to the sun and the earth" wouldn't be enough to indicate that the position is static in the rotating reference frame?

Lucas Viana Reis - 3 years, 1 month ago

"...it always remains directly between them, at a fixed distance from Earth, as Earth rotates around the Sun"

Kyle Hagner - 3 years, 1 month ago

There's no indication that it must remain in between them "all the year" and not for just a given time.

Lucas Guimarães - 3 years ago

The statement of this problem explicitly asks what is the point at which the gravitational forces of the sun and the earth are balanced. Therefore it does not seem that the centrifugal force should have a part in the solution, unless the statement is modified.

Eduardo Ballesteros - 3 years, 1 month ago

I think there should be better indication that rotational effects were expected to be accounted for.

Josh Hainge - 3 years, 1 month ago

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So many physics problems are trick questions where we have to guess what to account for and what to ignore.

Jeremy Galvagni - 3 years, 1 month ago
David Vreken
May 2, 2018

The spacecraft is at the Sun and Earth's first Lagragian Point , whose location is defined by

M 1 ( R r ) 2 = M 2 r 2 + M 1 R 2 r ( M 1 + M 2 ) R 3 \frac{M_1}{(R - r)^2} = \frac{M_2}{r^2} + \frac{M_1}{R^2} - \frac{r(M_1 + M_2)}{R^3}

where r r is the distance of the point from the smaller object, R R is the distance between the two main objects, and M 1 M_1 and M 2 M_2 are the masses of the large and small object, respectively. In this problem, r = x r = x , R = a = 150 1 0 6 R = a = 150 \cdot 10^6 km, and M 1 = 333000 M 2 M_1 = 333000M_2 , so

333000 M 2 ( 150 1 0 6 x ) 2 = M 2 x 2 + 333000 M 2 ( 150 1 0 6 ) 2 x ( 333000 M 2 + M 2 ) ( 150 1 0 6 ) 3 \frac{333000M_2}{(150 \cdot 10^6 - x)^2} = \frac{M_2}{x^2} + \frac{333000M_2}{(150 \cdot 10^6)^2} - \frac{x(333000M_2 + M_2)}{(150 \cdot 10^6)^3}

which solves to x 1495480 x \approx 1495480 km or x 1.5 1 0 6 x \approx \boxed{1.5} \cdot 10^6 km

The only reason I knew the answer to this question is because I'm familiar with the James Webb Space Telescope, which is going to be placed in this Lagrangian Point, 1.5 million km from Earth. I still have a lot to learn if I'm going to figure this out on my own...

Hank Hohn - 3 years, 1 month ago

As David Vreken already stated, the point asked for is a Lagrangian Point . But how can we find it?

We start with the Lagrangian of a three-body system, which is the difference of the kinetic and the potential energies,

L ( r , R 1 , R 2 ) = m 2 r ˙ 2 + M 1 2 R ˙ 1 2 + M 2 2 R ˙ 2 2 + G m M 1 r R 1 + G m M 2 r R 2 + G M 1 M 2 R 1 R 2 , \mathfrak{L}(\vec{r}, \vec{R}_1, \vec{R}_2) = \frac{m}{2} \dot{\vec{r}}^2 + \frac{M_1}{2} \dot{\vec{R}}_1^2 + \frac{M_2}{2} \dot{\vec{R}}_2^2 + G \frac{m M_1}{\left| \vec{r} - \vec{R}_1 \right|} + G \frac{m M_2}{\left| \vec{r} - \vec{R}_2 \right|} + G \frac{M_1 M_2}{\left| \vec{R}_1 - \vec{R}_2 \right|} ,

where the M 1 > M 2 m M_1 > M_2 \gg m are the masses of the three bodies (i.e. sun, earth and an object with negligible mass compared to the former) sitting at positions R 1 \vec{R}_1 , R 2 \vec{R}_2 and r \vec{r} . G G is the gravitational constant and ~\cdot~ denotes the time derivative, that is, r ˙ = v \dot{\vec{r}} = \vec{v} is the velocity of the object at position r \vec{r} .

As we all know, the earth is traveling around the sun. In fact, the sun is also moving, since both objects are rotating around their center of mass (CM). Therefore, it is convenient so switch into the rotating frame, that is, the coordinate system which is rotating with the same angular velocity ω \omega (see below).

The three-body problem: Two objects with masses \( M_1 \) and \( M_2 \) are rotating around their center of mass (CM) at angular velocity \( \omega \). The third object is a probe with negligible mass \( m \ll M_1, M_2 \). The cartesian coordinates are given by \( (x, y) \). The rotating frame is given by \( (q_x, q_y) \). The three-body problem: Two objects with masses M 1 M_1 and M 2 M_2 are rotating around their center of mass (CM) at angular velocity ω \omega . The third object is a probe with negligible mass m M 1 , M 2 m \ll M_1, M_2 . The cartesian coordinates are given by ( x , y ) (x, y) . The rotating frame is given by ( q x , q y ) (q_x, q_y) .

The transformation between the coordinates ( x , y ) (x, y) and ( q 1 , q 2 ) (q_1, q_2) is given by a rotation

x = q x cos ω t + q y sin ω t , y = q x sin ω t + q y cos ω t . \begin{aligned} x &= q_x \cos \omega t + q_y \sin \omega t , \\ y &= -q_x \sin \omega t + q_y \cos \omega t . \end{aligned}

With some calculation we find that

r i r j = ( x i x j ) 2 + ( y i y j ) 2 = ( q x , i q x , j ) 2 + ( q y , i q y , j ) 2 = q i q j \begin{aligned} \left| \vec{r}_i - \vec{r}_j \right| &= \sqrt{\left( x_i - x_j \right)^2 + \left( y_i - y_j \right)^2} \\ &= \sqrt{\left( q_{x, i} - q_{x, j} \right)^2 + \left( q_{y, i} - q_{y, j} \right)^2} \\ &= \left| \vec{q}_i - \vec{q}_j \right| \end{aligned}

and

r ˙ i 2 = x ˙ 2 + y ˙ 2 = q ˙ x , i 2 + q ˙ y , i 2 + ω 2 ( q x , i 2 + q y , i 2 ) + 2 ω ( q ˙ x , i q y , i q x , i q ˙ y , i ) = q ˙ i 2 + ω 2 q i 2 + 2 ω q ˙ i × q i . \begin{aligned} \dot{\vec{r}}_i^2 &= \dot{x}^2 + \dot{y}^2 \\ &= \dot{q}_{x, i}^2 + \dot{q}_{y, i}^2 + \omega^2 \left( q_{x, i}^2 + q_{y, i}^2 \right) + 2 \omega \left( \dot{q}_{x, i} q_{y, i} - q_{x, i} \dot{q}_{y, i} \right) \\ &= \dot{\vec{q}}_i^2 + \omega^2 \vec{q}_i^2 + 2 \omega \dot{\vec{q}}_i \times \vec{q}_i . \end{aligned}

Note: Multiplication of the last line by a mass and division by two (that is how they appear in the Lagrangian) we find some familiar terms. The first term is simply the kinetic energy in the rotating frame. The second term is the centrifugal force , an fictitious force felt by a rotating observer. The last term is the Coriolis force , another fictitious force.

To make life easier, we will make some simplifications before plugging these results into the Lagrangian. Since the masses M 1 M_1 and M 2 M_2 are rotating around the CM, we can fix them to the q x q_x -axis in the rotating coordinate system, i.e. Q y , 1 = Q y , 2 = 0 Q_{y, 1} = Q_{y, 2} = 0 and Q ˙ y , 1 = Q ˙ y , 2 = 0 \dot{Q}_{y, 1} = \dot{Q}_{y, 2} = 0 . Since the (Lagrangian) point we are looking for is on the line connecting M 1 M_1 and M 2 M_2 , the same holds for the object of mass m m : q y = q ˙ y = 0 q_y = \dot{q}_y = 0 .

Now, the Lagrangian in terms of the rotating coordinates and corresponding to the given problem reads

L ( q x , Q x , 1 , Q x , 2 ) = m 2 q ˙ x 2 + m ω 2 2 q x 2 + M 1 2 Q ˙ x , 1 2 + M 1 ω 2 2 Q x , 1 2 + M 2 2 Q ˙ x , 2 2 + M 2 ω 2 2 Q x , 2 2 + G m M 1 q x Q x , 1 + G m M 2 q x Q x , 2 + G M 1 M 2 Q x , 1 Q x , 2 . \mathfrak{L}(q_x, Q_{x, 1}, Q_{x, 2}) = \frac{m}{2} \dot{q}_x^2 + \frac{m \omega^2}{2} q_x^2 + \frac{M_1}{2} \dot{Q}_{x, 1}^2 + \frac{M_1 \omega^2}{2} Q_{x, 1}^2 + \frac{M_2}{2} \dot{Q}_{x, 2}^2 + \frac{M_2 \omega^2}{2} Q_{x, 2}^2 + G \frac{m M_1}{\left| q_x - Q_{x, 1} \right|} + G \frac{m M_2}{\left| q_x - Q_{x, 2} \right|} + G \frac{M_1 M_2}{\left| Q_{x, 1} - Q_{x, 2} \right|} .

The equations of motion for m m , M 1 M_1 and M 2 M_2 can be calculated via the Euler-Lagrange equations , which yields

d d t ( L q ˙ x ) = m q ¨ x = m ω 2 q x + G m M 1 ( q x Q x , 1 ) q x Q x , 1 3 + G m M 2 ( q x Q x , 2 ) q x Q x , 2 3 = L q x , d d t ( L Q ˙ x , 1 ) = M 1 Q ¨ x , 1 = M 1 ω 2 Q x , 1 G m M 1 ( q x Q x , 1 ) q x Q x , 1 3 + G M 1 M 2 ( Q x , 1 Q x , 2 ) Q x , 1 Q x , 2 3 = L Q x , 1 , d d t ( L Q ˙ x , 2 ) = M 2 Q ¨ x , 2 = M 2 ω 2 Q x , 2 G m M 2 ( q x Q x , 2 ) q x Q x , 2 3 G M 1 M 2 ( Q x , 1 Q x , 2 ) Q x , 1 Q x , 2 3 = L Q x , 1 . \begin{aligned} \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}t} \left( \frac{\partial \mathfrak{L}}{\partial \dot{q}_x} \right) = m \ddot{q}_x &= m \omega^2 q_x + G \frac{m M_1 \left( q_x - Q_{x, 1} \right)}{\left| q_x - Q_{x, 1} \right|^3} + G \frac{m M_2 \left( q_x - Q_{x, 2} \right)}{\left| q_x - Q_{x, 2} \right|^3} = \frac{\partial \mathfrak{L}}{\partial q_x}, \\ \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}t} \left( \frac{\partial \mathfrak{L}}{\partial \dot{Q}_{x, 1}} \right) = M_1 \ddot{Q}_{x, 1} &= M_1 \omega^2 Q_{x, 1} - G \frac{m M_1 \left( q_x - Q_{x, 1} \right)}{\left| q_x - Q_{x, 1} \right|^3} + G \frac{M_1 M_2 \left( Q_{x, 1} - Q_{x, 2} \right)}{\left| Q_{x, 1} - Q_{x, 2} \right|^3} = \frac{\partial \mathfrak{L}}{\partial Q_{x, 1}} , \\ \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}t} \left( \frac{\partial \mathfrak{L}}{\partial \dot{Q}_{x, 2}} \right) = M_2 \ddot{Q}_{x, 2} &= M_2 \omega^2 Q_{x, 2} - G \frac{m M_2 \left( q_x - Q_{x, 2} \right)}{\left| q_x - Q_{x, 2} \right|^3} - G \frac{M_1 M_2 \left( Q_{x, 1} - Q_{x, 2} \right)}{\left| Q_{x, 1} - Q_{x, 2} \right|^3} = \frac{\partial \mathfrak{L}}{\partial Q_{x, 1}} . \end{aligned}

Since we assumed that M 1 M_1 and M 2 M_2 , i.e. the sun and the earth, are rotating with angular velocity ω \omega , their orbits should be stable and their centripetal forces should match the gravitational force. In that case, Q ¨ x , 1 = Q ¨ x , 2 = 0 \ddot{Q}_{x, 1} = \ddot{Q}_{x, 2} = 0 . Furthermore, we are looking for the point where any object of mass m m is stationary as well, such that q ¨ x = 0 \ddot{q}_x = 0 .

By indentifying a = Q x , 1 Q x , 2 a = Q_{x, 1} - Q_{x, 2} , x = q x Q x , 2 x = q_x - Q_{x, 2} and a x = Q x , 1 q x a - x = Q_{x, 1} - q_x we obtain

M 1 ( a x ) 2 = M 2 x 2 + ω 2 G q x \frac{M_1}{\left( a - x \right)^2} = \frac{M_2}{x^2} + \frac{\omega^2}{G} q_x

from the first line, which is independent of the mass m m . Analogously we find

ω 2 G Q x , 1 = M 2 Q x , 2 + m x 2 0 , ω 2 G Q x , 2 = M 1 Q x , 1 + m ( a x ) 2 0 \begin{aligned} - \frac{\omega^2}{G} Q_{x, 1} &= \frac{M_2}{Q_{x, 2}} + \underbrace{\frac{m}{x^2}}_{\approx 0} , \\ \frac{\omega^2}{G} Q_{x, 2} &= \frac{M_1}{Q_{x, 1}} + \underbrace{\frac{m}{\left( a - x \right)^2}}_{\approx 0} \end{aligned}

from the second and third lines, respectively. Since the mass m m is negligible in comparison with M 1 M_1 and M 2 M_2 , we can neglect the last terms.

The second equation gives us an expression for Q x , 2 Q_{x, 2} (which we will need in a moment),

Q x , 2 = M 1 M 1 + M 2 a , Q_{x, 2} = - \frac{M_1}{M_1 + M_2} a ,

and adding both equations and dividing by a a gives us an expression for ω \omega ,

ω 2 G = M 1 + M 2 a 3 . \frac{\omega^2}{G} = - \frac{M_1 + M_2}{a^3} .

Now we can plug this relation into the equation above (the one obtained from the equation of motion for q x q_x ):

M 1 ( a x ) 2 = M 2 x 2 M 1 + M 2 a 3 q x = M 2 x 2 M 1 + M 2 a 3 Q x , 2 M 1 + M 2 a 3 x . \frac{M_1}{\left( a - x \right)^2} = \frac{M_2}{x^2} - \frac{M_1 + M_2}{a^3} q_x = \frac{M_2}{x^2} - \frac{M_1 + M_2}{a^3} Q_{x, 2} - \frac{M_1 + M_2}{a^3} x .

With the relation for Q x , 2 Q_{x, 2} we calculated above we finally obtain

M 1 ( a x ) 2 = M 2 x 2 + M 1 a 2 M 1 + M 2 a 3 x , \frac{M_1}{\left( a - x \right)^2} = \frac{M_2}{x^2} + \frac{M_1}{a^2} - \frac{M_1 + M_2}{a^3} x ,

which is a fifth order equation for x x . Thus, without approximations we cannot determine x x analytically.

Note: In contrast to the two-body problem, the three-body problem is analytically not solvable anymore.

By setting M 1 / M 2 = M S / M E = 333 , 000 M_1/M_2 = M_S/M_E = 333,000 and a = 150 G m a = 150\,\mathrm{Gm} we can solve

1 x 2 + M 1 M 2 1 a 2 ( M 1 M 2 + 1 ) x a 3 M 1 M 2 1 ( a x ) 2 = 0 \frac{1}{x^2} + \frac{M_1}{M_2} \frac{1}{a^2} - \left( \frac{M_1}{M_2} + 1 \right) \frac{x}{a^3} - \frac{M_1}{M_2} \frac{1}{\left( a - x \right)^2} = 0

numerically with ease. Using Newton's method we find x 1.4954798969543903 G m x \approx 1.4954798969543903\,\mathrm{Gm} .

Excellent......

Lalit Patil - 2 years, 11 months ago

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