Subharthi's minimum

Algebra Level 5

As x x ranges over all real numbers, what is the minimum value of

[ x 2 4 x + 7 2 2 + x 2 8 x + 27 6 2 ] 4 ? \left[ \sqrt{x^2 - 4x + 7 - 2\sqrt{2}} + \sqrt{x^2 - 8x + 27 - 6\sqrt{2}} \right]^4?

This problem is posed by Subharthi C .


The answer is 64.

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7 solutions

Jay Joshi
Oct 21, 2013

Note that , x 2 4 x + 7 2 2 = ( x 2 ) 2 + ( 2 1 ) 2 , x^2 - 4x + 7 - 2\sqrt{2} = (x - 2)^2 + (\sqrt{2} - 1)^2 ,

x 2 8 x + 27 6 2 = ( x 4 ) 2 + ( 2 3 ) 2 . x^2 - 8x + 27 - 6\sqrt{2} = (x - 4)^2 + (\sqrt{2} - 3)^2 .

Hence, x 2 4 x + 7 2 2 + x 2 8 x + 27 6 2 \sqrt{x^2 - 4x + 7 - 2\sqrt{2} } + \sqrt{x^2 - 8x + 27 - 6\sqrt{2}} is sum of distance from ( x , 2 ) (x, \sqrt{2}) to ( 2 , 1 ) , ( 4 , 3 ) (2,1) , (4,3) in co-ordinate plane .

Assign name A to ( x , 2 ) (x,\sqrt{2}) , B to ( 2 , 1 ) (2,1) , C to ( 4 , 3 ) . (4,3) .

_From Triangular inequality , _

A B + A C B C AB + AC \geq BC ,* Equality holds when A,B,C are co-linear *.

As , 1 < 2 < 3 1 <\sqrt{2} <3 , we must can find x for which A is on line segment BC .

(of course x can be found by taking slope of AB = slope of AC, but we are not interested in *value of x ) * .

Hence, m i n ( A B + A C ) = B C = 8 min(AB + AC) = BC = \sqrt{8}

& ( m i n ( A B + A C ) ) 4 = 64 (min(AB + AC))^4 = 64

Great job!

I like the phrase "but we are not interested in the value of x x ". That is not crucial to solving this problem, apart from knowing that A A is on the line segment B C BC .

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 7 months ago

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I think this question donot deserve level 5 or 280 points.

Akshay Sharma - 5 years, 4 months ago

Well, before reading this I would have said that the derivative method is the best way to do this problem; but now I'm thinking that your way is even better.

Peter Byers - 7 years, 7 months ago

Good job. I worked out that x = 1 + 2 x = 1 + \sqrt{2} using calculus and then noticed that the solution makes ( x 2 ) 2 = ( 2 1 ) 2 (x-2)^2 = (\sqrt{2} - 1)^2 and ( x 4 ) 2 = ( 2 3 ) 2 (x-4)^2 = (\sqrt{2}-3)^2 , but couldn't see the significance of that.

Matt McNabb - 7 years, 7 months ago

V good thought process :)

GS Vamsi Krishna - 7 years, 7 months ago

Nice ideas.

Igmut Schnoll - 7 years, 7 months ago

nice

vivek gupta - 7 years, 7 months ago

Very nice.

Pranav Arora - 7 years, 7 months ago

man you're so good

Tran Hai - 7 years, 7 months ago

Beauty

Goutam Narayan - 7 years, 7 months ago

I did it the same way.....you presented it very nicely... :)

Eddie The Head - 7 years, 6 months ago

awesome work there..!

Kuladip Maity - 7 years, 5 months ago

86 upvotes! Awesome

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Nihhaar Chandra Routhu - 7 years, 7 months ago
Anh Tuong Nguyen
Oct 21, 2013

We will use two inequalities to solve this problem:

Cauchy-Schwarz Inequality: x 2 + y 2 1 2 ( x + y ) 2 x^2+y^2\geq \frac{1}{2} (x+y)^2 (Equality occurs at x = y x=y )

Absolute Value Inequality: a + b a + b |a|+|b|\geq |a+b| (Equality occurs when a b 0 ab \geq 0 )

[ x 2 4 x + 7 2 2 + x 2 8 x + 27 6 2 ] 4 [\sqrt{x^2-4x+7-2\sqrt{2}}+\sqrt{x^2-8x+27-6\sqrt{2}}]^4

= [ ( x 2 ) 2 + ( 2 1 ) 2 + ( x 4 ) 2 + ( 2 3 ) 2 ] 4 =[\sqrt{(x-2)^2+(\sqrt{2}-1)^2}+\sqrt{(x-4)^2+(\sqrt{2}-3)^2}]^4

[ 1 2 ( x 2 + 2 1 + x 4 3 + 2 ) ] 4 \geq [\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(|x-2+\sqrt{2}-1|+|x-4-3+\sqrt{2}|)]^4 (Cauchy-Schwarz)

= [ 1 2 ( x + 2 3 + x 2 + 7 ) ] 4 =[\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(|x+\sqrt{2}-3|+|-x-\sqrt{2}+7|)]^4 ( a = a |a|=|-a| \forall a)

[ 1 2 x + 2 3 x 2 + 7 ] 4 \geq [\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}|x+\sqrt{2}-3-x-\sqrt{2}+7|]^4 (Absolute value inequalities)

= [ 1 2 4 ] 4 = 64 = [\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}|4|]^4=64

We can easily check that equality occurs when x = 2 + 1 x=\sqrt{2}+1 . Hence the minimum value is 64.

Nice usage of all these inequalities.

It is best to state the equality conditions each time you used an inequality, which would then clearly demonstrate that "equality occurs when x = 2 + 1 x = \sqrt{2} + 1 ".

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 7 months ago

This is an elegant elementary approach without using calculus. Very nice.

Igmut Schnoll - 7 years, 7 months ago

i like your way, when i tried to solve it, i didnt think about the inequalitie x^{2} + y^{2} \geq \frac {1}{2} (x+y)^{2}

Anh Nguyễn - 7 years, 7 months ago
Christopher Boo
Mar 21, 2014

Rearranging the given expression

\strut x 2 4 x + 7 2 2 + \strut x 2 8 x + 27 6 2 \sqrt{\strut x^2-4x+7-2\sqrt{2}}+\sqrt{\strut x^2-8x+27-6\sqrt2}

we get

\strut ( x 2 ) 2 + ( 2 1 ) 2 + \strut ( x 4 ) 2 + ( 2 3 ) 2 \sqrt{\strut (x-2)^2+(\sqrt{2}-1)^2}+\sqrt{\strut (x-4)^2+(\sqrt2-3)^2}

Hence, we set some points on the Cartesian Plane,

P = ( x , 2 ) P=(x,\sqrt2)

A = ( 2 , 1 ) A=(2,1)

B = ( 4 , 3 ) B=(4,3)

To get

A P = \strut ( x 2 ) 2 + ( 2 1 ) 2 AP=\sqrt{\strut (x-2)^2+(\sqrt{2}-1)^2}

P B = \strut ( x 4 ) 2 + ( 2 3 ) 2 PB=\sqrt{\strut (x-4)^2+(\sqrt2-3)^2}

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By Triangle Inequality ,

A P + P B AP+PB

A B \geq AB

\strut ( 4 2 ) 2 + ( 3 1 ) 2 \geq\sqrt{\strut (4-2)^2+(3-1)^2}

8 \geq\sqrt8

So the minimum value

\strut x 2 4 x + 7 2 2 + \strut x 2 8 x + 27 6 2 = 8 \sqrt{\strut x^2-4x+7-2\sqrt{2}}+\sqrt{\strut x^2-8x+27-6\sqrt2}=\sqrt8

Hence, the minimum value

[ \strut x 2 4 x + 7 2 2 + \strut x 2 8 x + 27 6 2 ] 4 = 64 \Big [\sqrt{\strut x^2-4x+7-2\sqrt{2}}+\sqrt{\strut x^2-8x+27-6\sqrt2}\Big ]^4=64

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Christopher Boo - 7 years, 2 months ago

Ok here's the picture

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Christopher Boo - 7 years, 2 months ago

but at equality case A , P , B must be collinear ! And For minimum P must be lie between the AB But it can't be Possible Since Y cordinate of P is less then both of These !

Please Indicate where I'am Going Wrong ??

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Karan Shekhawat - 6 years, 6 months ago

wow

A Former Brilliant Member - 7 years, 2 months ago

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Saurabh Mallik - 7 years, 2 months ago
Joyentanuj Das
Oct 22, 2013

We have f (x) = [√(x²-4x+7-2√2) + √(x²-8x+27-6√2)]⁴

We note : f (x) attains minimum value when √(x²-4x+7-2√2) + √(x²-8x+27-6√2) attains minimum value

Re-write it as √[(x-2)²+(√2-1)²] + √[(x-4)²+(√2-3)²]

= Sum of the distances of the point (x,√2) from the points (2,1) and (4,3) which is minimum only when the three points are collinear

=> x = √2 + 1

=> min [√(x²-4x+7-2√2) + √(x²-8x+27-6√2)] = 2√2

=> f_min (x) = (2√2)⁴ = 64

Saurabh Mallik
Mar 28, 2014

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Adrabi Abderrahim
Oct 21, 2013

to get minima of the function, we use derivative of the function g ( x ) g(x) by using:

let it f ( x ) = ( g ( x ) ) 4 , g ( x ) = x 2 4 x + 7 2 2 + x 2 8 x + 27 6 2 f(x) = (g(x))^4, g(x) = \sqrt{x^2-4x+7-2\sqrt{2}} + \sqrt{x^2-8x+27-6\sqrt{2}}

so d d x g ( x ) = 0 \frac{d}{dx} g(x) = 0 is 1 + 2 1+\sqrt{2} and by replacing in g ( x ) g(x) we've g ( 1 + 2 ) = 2 2 g(1+\sqrt{2}) = 2\sqrt{2} ,

finally f ( 2 2 ) = 64 f(2\sqrt{2}) = 64

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Matt McNabb - 7 years, 7 months ago

The last line seems wrong to me.

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The last line seems wrong to me.

Indeed. I believe it was suppose to say " f ( 1 + 2 ) = 64 f(1+\sqrt 2) = 64 ".

Peter Byers - 7 years, 7 months ago

denote g = x 2 4 x + 7 2 2 g=x^2-4x+7-2\sqrt{2} and h = x 2 8 x + 27 6 2 h=x^2-8x+27-6\sqrt{2} and f = g + h f=\sqrt{g}+\sqrt{h} . observe that f > 0 f>0 for all x x

so I will find minimum of f f replace f 4 f^4 (by calculus)

we get d f d x = x 2 g + x 4 h \frac{df}{dx}=\frac{x-2}{\sqrt{g}}+\frac{x-4}{\sqrt{h}}

and have to solve the equation

x 2 g = 4 x h \frac{x-2}{\sqrt{g}}=\frac{4-x}{\sqrt{h}} (observe that x ( 2 , 4 ) x\in(2,4) ) ( 4 x ) 2 ( x 2 ) 2 3 = h g 3 2 x 2 + 4 x + 4 x 2 4 x + 4 = 2 x 2 + 4 x + 6 g \frac{(4-x)^2}{(x-2)^2}-3=\frac{h}{g}-3 \rightarrow \frac{-2x^2+4x+4}{x^2-4x+4}=\frac{-2x^2+4x+6}{g} 2 x 2 + 4 x + 6 2 x 2 + 4 x + 4 1 = g x 2 4 x + 4 1 1 x 2 + 2 x + 2 = 3 2 x 2 4 x + 4 \rightarrow \frac{-2x^2+4x+6}{-2x^2+4x+4}-1=\frac{g}{x^2-4x+4}-1 \rightarrow \frac{1}{-x^2+2x+2}=\frac{3-\sqrt{2}}{x^2-4x+4}

to use your brute force to solve the last equation (easy to know the method) you will get x = 2 1 2 , 2 + 1 x=2-\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}},\sqrt{2}+1 but x ( 2 , 4 ) x\in(2,4) so x = 2 + 1 x=\sqrt{2}+1 that f ( 2 + 1 ) = 2 2 f(\sqrt{2}+1)=2\sqrt{2} and f 4 = 64 f^4=64

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