Surrounded Perimeter

Geometry Level 4

In any triangle, P e r i m e t e r C i r c u m r a d i u s A \dfrac {\rm Perimeter}{\rm Circumradius} \le A . Find the value of A 2 A^2 ?

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4 solutions

K T
May 21, 2021

The way the problem was stated is maybe open for misinterpretation, because one might look for the lowest value for p r \frac{p}{r} . Therefore I rephrase the question: If A is the smallest value such that p r A \frac{p}{r}\le A will hold for any triangle, what is A 2 A^2 ?

So we need to identify what shape the triangle with maximum p r \frac{p}{r} has. If you start with a fixed circle and ask which inscribed triangle has maximum perimeter, it becomes clearer that that would be an equilateral triangle.

An equilateral triangle with side 1 has perimeter p = 3 p=3 . The distance from its centre to a vertex is the radius of its circumscribed circle: r = 1 3 3 r=\frac{1}{3}\sqrt{3} . The ratio between these is A = p r = 3 3 A=\frac{p}{r}=3\sqrt{3} , so that A 2 = 27 A^2=\boxed{27} .

For other triangles this ratio will be lower.

Wait why is my is question open for misinterpretation ? Anyway thx for posting

Omek K - 3 weeks ago

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Ok I found it

Omek K - 3 weeks ago

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What did you find?

Saya Suka - 3 weeks ago

I have posted a vigorous solution maybe you can check it

Omek K - 3 weeks ago
Omek K
May 21, 2021

Now, P e r i m e t e r C i r c u m r a d i u s = a + b + c R = a R + b R + c R > e q 1 \begin{aligned} \frac{\rm Perimeter}{\rm Circumradius} &= \frac{a+b+c}{R} \\ &= \frac{a}{R} + \frac{b}{R} + \frac{c}{R} ----> eq1 \\ \end{aligned}

From Sine rule, e q 1 2 = a 2 R + b 2 R + c 2 R = S i n A + S i n B + S i n C \begin{aligned} \frac{eq1}{2} &= \frac{a}{2R} + \frac{b}{2R} + \frac{c}{2R} \\ &= SinA + Sin B + Sin C \end{aligned}

Sorry guys, I am not able to attach the graph but maybe you can draw and understand on your own.

Now, in a concave graph such as sin(x), any three points on the graph when connected will always form a Triangle on the inside or on the graph.

Coordinates of the centroid will be ( A + B + C 3 \frac{A + B + C }{3} , S i n A + S i n B + S i n C 3 \frac{SinA + SinB + SinC }{3} ). One can easily observe that the Centroid of any Triangle will always lie on the line x = π 3 \frac{\pi}{3} . And y coordinates on the line x = π 3 \frac{\pi}{3} has a minimum value of 0 and maximum value of Sin((\frac{\pi}{3})).

Therefore, M a x > S i n A + S i n B + S i n C 3 = S i n ( π 3 ) S i n A + S i n B + S i n C = 3 3 2 e q 1 = 3 3 A = 3 3 A 2 = 27 \begin{aligned} Max--> \frac{SinA + Sin B + Sin C}{3} &= Sin(\frac{\pi}{3}) \\ SinA + SinB + SinC &= \frac{3\sqrt3}{2} \\ eq1 &= 3\sqrt3 \\ A &= 3\sqrt3 \\ A^2 &= 27 \end{aligned}

Tom Engelsman
May 20, 2021

Intuitive hint: think equilateral triangles!

Thx for posting

Omek K - 3 weeks ago

I have posted a vigorous solution maybe you can check it

Omek K - 3 weeks ago

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With the help of some Lagrange Multipliers as a check, looks fine to me, Omek! Have a great day :)

tom engelsman - 3 weeks ago

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Well I don't know about those stuff. Have good day Tom!

Omek K - 2 weeks, 6 days ago

Relation of circum-radius and lenght of triangle is: r * cos30 = length/2 A=3*√3

I don't understand. Why does the triangle √2, √2 & 2 has an A of 2 + 2√2 and A² = 12 + 8√2 < 27 ?

Saya Suka - 3 weeks, 2 days ago

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Well, I just meant that the A value has a maximum value of 27

Omek K - 3 weeks ago

It's simple geometry. You should arrive with this relation

Ranit Bandyopadhyay - 3 weeks ago

I have posted a vigorous solution maybe you can check it

Omek K - 3 weeks ago

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It's way easy than your solution Using basic trigonometry knowledge

Ranit Bandyopadhyay - 3 weeks ago

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