Surviving the Titanic - Part 3

Assuming that you are an adult individual on the Titanic (of either gender), would you be more likely to survive as a member of the crew, or as a member of third class?

Note: You will want to keep in mind the results of Part 2 of this problem .

Group Total Saved Lost
Children, First class 6 5 1
Women, First Class 144 140 4
Men, First Class 175 57 118
Children, Second Class 24 24 0
Women, Second Class 93 80 13
Men, Second Class 168 14 154
Children, Third Class 79 27 52
Women, Third Class 165 76 89
Men, Third Class 462 75 387
Women, Crew 23 20 3
Men, Crew 885 192 693
Image: This image is of the actual iceburg thought to have sunk the Titanic. It was found after the wreck with a long streak of red paint on its side.
Third Class Crew Not enough information It depends on gender

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6 solutions

Arron Kau Staff
Feb 20, 2014

Since we know that women were more likely to survive the sinking of the Titanic than men, and we can see that the crew is predominantly composed of men, simply calculating the total survival rates for third class and crew gives a deceptive result:

Crew survival rate: 212 / 908 23.3 % 212 / 908 \approx 23.3\% Third class survival rate: 178 / 706 25.2 % 178 / 706 \approx 25.2\%

However, if we look at each gender group individually, we can see a much clearer picture:

Women:

Group Total Saved Survival Rate Women, Third Class 165 76 46.1 % Women, Crew 23 20 87.0 % \newcommand\T{\Rule{0pt}{1em}{.3em}} \begin{array}{|l|c|c|c|} \hline \textbf{Group} & \textbf{Total} & \textbf{Saved} & \textbf{Survival Rate} \\\hline \text{Women, Third Class} & 165 & 76 & \mathbf{46.1\%} \\ \hline \text{Women, Crew} & 23 & 20 & \mathbf{87.0\%} \\ \hline \end{array}

Men:

Group Total Saved Survival Rate Men, Third Class 462 75 16.2 % Men, Crew 885 192 21.7 % \newcommand\T{\Rule{0pt}{1em}{.3em}} \begin{array}{|l|c|c|c|} \hline \textbf{Group} & \textbf{Total} & \textbf{Saved} & \textbf{Survival Rate} \\\hline \text{Men, Third Class} & 462 & 75 & \mathbf{16.2\%} \\ \hline \text{Men, Crew} & 885 & 192 & \mathbf{21.7\%} \\ \hline \end{array}

Thus we can see that the chances for survival were better for both men and women if they were members of the crew, even though the overall statistics hid that fact due to different distributions within the groups. This counter-intuitive result is known as Simpson's Paradox .

Given the above, the answer is clearly "Crew" .

Because of the wording of the question the answer is actually the third class. From the problem we see that the our gender has not been determined. Picking a person from the group at random would result in the third class having a higher survival rate as gender would not factor into the equation due to picking someone at random. The very low number of female crew members add very little to the overall survival rate of the entire body of crew whereas the much larger group of females from the third class add a significant amount to the overall survival rate of the third class.

Blake Caudle - 7 years, 3 months ago

This could also be interpreted as Simpson's Paradox. If you chose at random a person from the group, then you would have better chances as third class.

Albert Xu - 7 years, 3 months ago

actually the answer is "Depends on Gender" cause the question was asked that what chances are better for survival.. So the chances of surviving as a Women is more than the chances of surviving as a Man both for Crew as well as for Third Class

Tanmay Kshirsagar - 7 years, 3 months ago

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For both men and women, the survival rate is higher in Crew. So, since the question asked was "would you be more likely to survive as a member of the crew, or as a member of third class" the answer in either case is Crew and doesn't depend on gender.

Arron Kau Staff - 7 years, 3 months ago

Crew is the answer

Arsalan Lodhi - 7 years, 2 months ago

nice answer...

zarree khan - 7 years, 2 months ago

Oh Come On.....!! There are no information how many men survived in third class. How can you say that the amount of men saved is 75 from the total 462??? Can you explain to me, please?

Dimas Jouhari - 7 years, 2 months ago

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The data table was messed up during an edit. It's fixed now. Sorry!

Arron Kau Staff - 7 years, 2 months ago

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OK. Thanx.

Dimas Jouhari - 7 years, 2 months ago

Awesome problem!

I have never seen such an interesting paradox of this kind...

Being part of the Third Class, you would have 24,1% of the chance of being saved (not considering the children, which would make it higher). While being part of the Crew, you would have 23,4% of the chance of being saved.

Considering this, it's better to be on the Third Class...

But as you are a single person, man OR woman, the probability of being saved on each case is higher in the Crew then in the Third Class, what makes this problem so interesting!

What I think it's the most important fact is that by adding a new information (the gender), you change the decision to be taken.

in every disaster the women and children are given the first preference

srinidheesh astro - 7 years, 3 months ago

nice problem

selva ganeshan - 7 years, 3 months ago

Hello,since the question asked the survivality(either gender) whether as a crew or 3rd class passenger(adults),just that the % of survived ones,

For the crew(survived),

Male = (192 / 885) x 100% = 21.70%

Female = (20/23) x 100% =86.96%

For the 3rd class passengers,

Male = 75 / 462 x 100% = 16.23%

Female = 46.06%

As you can compare between those crews and 3rd class passengers,

you can see that higher survival chances are with the crews rather than 3rd class passengers,

therefore,be a crew to survive....

Bryan Dellariarte
Mar 24, 2014

look for the lost list so that you can the ans.

Harsh Rathour
Mar 23, 2014

Count the no. of saved people in crew and in third class.So, the group in which more people are saved, in that group only i have the more chance to be alive. So,the answer is crew....

Prerit Tyagi
Mar 4, 2014

JUST DIVIDE n. of total men of one category by its survivor and if there is greater result of one category than another then write the name o another category

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