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Two figure skaters are approaching the center of the ice during a figure skating pairs event. The first, an 80 kg man, is traveling north at 8 m/s. His partner, a 60 kg woman is traveling east, also at 8 m/s. When they meet, the man picks up the woman in a lift and they move off together. What is their final speed in m/s ?

Details and assumptions

  • You may neglect any drag forces or friction.
  • Neither figure skater pushes on the ice to accelerate themselves during the lift. They just glide.


The answer is 5.714.

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7 solutions

Louie Tan Yi Jie
Sep 9, 2013

Momentum is conserved. (Energy is not conserved - this is an inelastic collision.)

Momentum of man (in the north direction):

p 1 = m v = 80 × 8 = 640 p_1=m v=80\times 8=640

Momentum of woman (in the east direction):

p 2 = m v = 60 × 8 = 480 p_2=m v=60\times 8=480

Momentum is a vector. Since north and east are perpendicular to each other, the combined momentum is:

p = p 1 2 + p 2 2 = 64 0 2 + 48 0 2 = 800 p=\sqrt{p_1^2+p_2^2}=\sqrt{640^2+480^2}=800

Since they stick together, we can calculate their resultant velocity with their total mass:

p = m v = 800 ( 80 + 60 ) v = 800 v = 40 7 = 5.71429 p=m v=800\\ (80+60) v=800\\ v=\frac{40}{7}=5.71429

Jonathon Capps
Sep 8, 2013

Through conservation of momentum, the initial momentum and final momentum in each direction (east-west and north-south) are conserved independently.

p = m v p=mv

m f i n a l = 60 + 80 = 140 m_{final}=60+80=140

p e w = 60 8 = 480 p_{e-w}=60*8=480

v e w = 480 / 140 = 3.429 v_{e-w}=\frac{480}/{140}=3.429

p n s = 80 8 = 640 p_{n-s}=80*8=640

v e w = 640 140 = 4.571 v_{e-w}=\frac{640}{140}=4.571

To get total speed we have to add the velocity vectors:

s = v e w 2 + v n s 2 = 5.715 s=\sqrt{{v_{e-w}}^2+{v_{n-s}}^2}=5.715

Russell Few
Sep 8, 2013

We consider the rightward velocity and the northward velocity.

The rightward speed is 8 ( 60 80 + 60 ) = 48 14 m s 8(\frac{60}{80+60})=\frac{48}{14} \frac{m}{s} .

The northward speed is 8 ( 80 80 + 60 ) = 64 14 m s 8(\frac{80}{80+60})=\frac{64}{14} \frac{m}{s} .

Hence, by the Pythagorean Theorem, and since their directions are perpendicular to each other, their total speed is 64 14 2 + 48 14 = 80 14 = 40 7 m s \sqrt{\frac{64}{14}^2+\frac{48}{14}}=\frac{80}{14}=\frac{40}{7} \frac{m}{s} , which is about 5.714 m s \boxed{5.714} \frac{m}{s} .

since momentum is a vector, we can find thye resultant momentum of the man and the woman by taking the square root of (a^2 + b^2 + abcos90) = square root of (a^2 + b^2)=H. since cos90 =0. this is finding the resultant of vectors using paralellogram method.

here 'a' and 'b' are the momentum of the man and woman.

but we know, (m1+m2)V=H according to the law of coservation of momentum and here m1 and m2 are the masses of the man and woman. thus the final velocity V=H/(m1+m2)

David Nolasco
Sep 10, 2013

This is just some typical momentum problem. The collision is, obviously, inelastic because the man picks up his partner (the system moves with a constant velocity). From the conservation of momentum we have:

m m a n v m a n + m w o m a n v w o m a n = ( m m a n + m w o m a n ) v s y s t e m m_{man}v_{man} + m_{woman}v_{woman} = (m_{man}+m_{woman})v_{system}

Plugging all our known values, we have: ( 80 k g ) ( 8 m s j ^ + ( 60 k g ) ( 8 m s i ^ = ( 140 k g ) ( v s y s t e m ) (80kg)(8\frac{m}{s}\hat{j}+(60kg)(8\frac{m}{s}\hat{i} = (140kg)(v_{system}) v s y s t e m = ( 3.43 m s i ^ + 4.57 m s j ^ ) v_{system} = (3.43\frac{m}{s}\hat{i} + 4.57\frac{m}{s}\hat{j})

v s y s t e m = ( 3.43 ) 2 + ( 4.57 ) 2 m s v_{system} = \sqrt{(3.43)^{2} + (4.57)^{2}}\frac{m}{s}

v s y s t e m = 5.714 m s v_{system} = 5.714\frac{m}{s}

use m1v1 + m2v2 = (m1+m2)v', where v' will be their final speed. (60)(8) + (80)(8i) = (60+80)v', provided that 8i indicates the direction of speed going north. then v' = 3.428571429 East, 4.571428571 North. Then, getting its resultant, v' = 5.714285714, 53.13 degrees N of E

Snehdeep Arora
Sep 9, 2013

we use conservation of linear momentum in x and y direction to get x and y components of final velocity(assumed to be "v")

60 × 8 = 140 v x 60 \times 8 = 140vx (colm in x direction)

80 × 8 = 140 v y 80 \times 8 = 140vy (colm in y direction)

and v = v x 2 × v y 2 v = \sqrt {{vx^2 } \times {vy^2}} solving we get v = 5.714 m/s

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