Tension in a hanging chain

A uniform chain of length L = 3 m L=3~\mbox{m} is suspended from two points P 1 P_{1} and P 2 P_{2} at the same level. Due to the chain's weight, its tension varies from point to point. If the tension at the endpoints of the chain is n = 7 n=7 times greater than the tension at the lowest point, find the distance d = P 1 P 2 d={P_{1}P_{2}} in meters between the points of suspension P 1 P_{1} and P 2 P_{2} .


The answer is 1.14.

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Consider a very small part of the chain with length d l dl and mass d m = M d l L dm=\frac{Mdl}{L} as in this image:

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We know that T x T_x do not change along the chain and d T y = g d m dT_y=gdm . Therefore, at the end points, T y 0 = M g 2 T_{y0}=\frac{Mg}{2} .

Since n = T x 2 + T y 0 2 T x n=\frac{\sqrt{T_x^2+T_{y0}^2}}{T_x} , so T x = T y 0 n 2 1 = M g 2 n 2 1 T_x=\frac{T_{y0}}{\sqrt{n^2-1}}=\frac{Mg}{2\sqrt{n^2-1}}

We have tan θ = T y T x \tan \theta=\frac{T_y}{T_x} , so d θ cos 2 θ = d T y T x = g M d l L T x \frac{d\theta}{\cos^2 \theta}=\frac{dT_y}{T_x}=\frac{gMdl}{LT_x} .

d θ cos θ = g M d l cos θ L T x = g M d x L T x \frac{d\theta}{\cos \theta}=\frac{gMdl \cos \theta}{LT_x}=\frac{gMdx}{LT_x} .

0 θ 0 d θ cos θ = 0 d 2 g M d x L T x \int\limits_0^{\theta_0} \frac{d\theta}{\cos \theta}=\int\limits_0^{\frac{d}{2}} \frac{gMdx}{LT_x} .

l n ( tan θ 0 + 1 cos θ 0 ) = g M d 2 L T x ln(\tan \theta_0 + \frac{1}{\cos \theta_0})=\frac{gMd}{2LT_x}

(with cos θ 0 = T x T 0 = 1 n \cos \theta_0=\frac{T_x}{T_0}=\frac{1}{n} )

d = 2 L T x g M l n ( tan θ 0 + 1 cos θ 0 ) = l n ( n 2 1 + n ) n 2 1 L = 1.14 ( m ) d=\frac{2LT_x}{gM} ln(\tan \theta_0 + \frac{1}{\cos \theta_0})=\frac{ln(\sqrt{n^2-1}+n)}{\sqrt{n^2-1}} L =1.14(m) .

what is n here?

hjbschs bdvhb - 7 years, 7 months ago

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n is the ratio between the tension of the end point and the lowest point, it is stated in the problem.

Đinh Ngọc Hải - 7 years, 7 months ago

In the tan theta line, why that is equal to dTy over Tx?

Gabriel Ribeiro Freitas - 7 years, 5 months ago

My solution assumes knowledge of the equations and properties of a catenary curve. In general, the shape of any hanging rope is known as a catenary. You can see the equations of a catenary here , and the proof here .

Note that the tension at the lowest point is completely horizontal. Let T 0 T_0 be the magnitude of the tension at the lowest point. Since the rope is stationary, the horizontal component of tension must be fixed throughout the rope. This shows that the horizontal component of tension at the points of suspension must also be T 0 T_0 . Let λ \lambda be the mass per unit length of the catenary, and let g g be the acceleration due to gravity. The vertical component of tension at the point of suspension is simply half the weight of the rope, i.e λ g L 2 \frac{\lambda g L}{2} . The total tension on the points of suspension is given by: T = T 0 2 + ( λ g L 2 ) 2 T= \sqrt{T_0^2 + \left ( \frac{\lambda g L}{2} \right ) ^2} From the problem statement, we have T = n × T 0 T= n \times T_0 , so: n T 0 = T 0 2 + ( λ g L 2 ) 2 nT_0= \sqrt{T_0^2 + \left ( \frac{\lambda g L}{2} \right ) ^2} n 2 T 0 2 = T 0 2 + ( λ g L 2 ) 2 \implies n^2 T_0^2 = T_0^2 + \left ( \frac{\lambda g L}{2} \right ) ^2 λ g L 2 = T 0 n 2 1 \implies \frac{\lambda g L}{2} = T_0\sqrt{n^2-1} T 0 λ g = L 2 n 2 1 \implies \frac{T_0}{\lambda g}= \frac{L}{2\sqrt{n^2-1}} The equation of the catenary will then be: y = ( T 0 λ g ) × cosh ( x T 0 λ g ) y= \left ( \frac{T_0}{\lambda g} \right ) \times \cosh \left ( \frac{x}{\frac{T_0}{\lambda g}} \right ) y = ( L 2 n 2 1 ) × cosh ( x L 2 n 2 1 ) \implies y= \left ( \frac{L}{2\sqrt{n^2-1}} \right ) \times \cosh \left ( \frac{x}{\frac{L}{2\sqrt{n^2-1}}} \right ) Let the distance between the points of suspension be d d . Note that in our equation, we take the point directly 1 1 unit below the vertex of the catenary as the origin. The length of the catenary from x = 0 x=0 to x = ± d 2 x= \pm \frac{d}{2} is given by: L = 2 × ( T 0 λ g ) × sinh ( d 2 T 0 λ g ) L= 2 \times \left ( \frac{T_0}{\lambda g} \right ) \times \sinh \left ( \frac{\frac{d}{2}}{\frac{T_0}{\lambda g}} \right ) L = 2 × ( L 2 n 2 1 ) × sinh ( d 2 L 2 n 2 1 ) \implies L= 2 \times \left ( \frac{L}{2\sqrt{n^2-1}} \right ) \times \sinh \left ( \frac{\frac{d}{2}}{\frac{L}{2\sqrt{n^2-1}}} \right ) 1 n 2 1 × sinh ( d 2 L 2 n 2 1 ) = 1 \implies \frac{1}{n^2-1} \times \sinh \left ( \frac{\frac{d}{2}}{\frac{L}{2\sqrt{n^2-1}}} \right ) = 1 sinh ( d × n 2 1 L ) = n 2 1 \implies \sinh \left ( \frac{d \times \sqrt{n^2-1}}{L} \right ) = n^2 - 1 d × n 2 1 L = sinh 1 ( n 2 1 ) \implies \frac{d \times \sqrt{n^2-1}}{L} = \sinh^{-1} (n^2-1) d = sinh 1 ( n 2 1 ) × L n 2 1 \implies d= \frac{\sinh^{-1}(n^2-1) \times L}{\sqrt{n^2-1}} Plugging the numerical values from the question gives d 1.14 m d \approx \boxed{1.14 \text{ m}} .

Jatin Yadav
Nov 4, 2013

Let λ \lambda be the mass per unit length and T x T_{x} be the horizontal tension in the spring.

At uppermost point, T y = 3 λ g 2 T_{y} = \frac{3 \lambda g}{2} , T y 2 + T x 2 = 49 T x 2 T_{y}^2 + T_{x}^2 = 49 T_{x}^2 \Rightarrow λ g T x = 8 3 3 = 8 3 \frac{\lambda g}{T_{x}} = \frac{8}{3} \sqrt{3} = \frac{8}{\sqrt{3}}

In such a curve if we define x = 0 , y = 0 x = 0 , y=0 at lower most point,

d y d x = s i n h ( λ g T x x ) \frac{dy}{dx} = sinh(\frac{\lambda g}{T_{x}}x)

d l = d x 2 + d y 2 = d x 1 + ( d y d x ) 2 = 1 + s i n h 2 ( 8 3 x ) dl = \sqrt{dx^2 + dy^2} = dx\sqrt{1 + (\frac{dy}{dx})^2} = \sqrt{1 + sinh^2(\frac{8}{\sqrt{3}}x)}

0 d 2 1 + s i n h 2 ( 8 3 x ) d x = 3 2 \int_{0}^{\frac{d}{2}} \sqrt{1 + sinh^2(\frac{8}{\sqrt{3}}x)}dx = \frac{3}{2}

Solve to get d = 3 2 l o g ( 2 + 3 ) = 1.14 m d = \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}log(2 + \sqrt{3}) = \fbox{1.14 m}

Oh man, I got 8 3 8\sqrt{3} instead of 8 / 3 8/\sqrt{3} . >:(

Anyways, nice solution Jatin! I did exactly same but looks like I messed up somewhere. :)

Also, you should write \sinh instead of simply sinh, it makes the solutions look neater. For example: sin \sin and s i n sin

Pranav Arora - 7 years, 7 months ago

can this be done without using hyperbolic functions

hjbschs bdvhb - 7 years, 7 months ago

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In certain limits yes, one doesn't need hyperbolic function to do the classic "hanging chain" problems. Can anyone give those limits?

I will, however, say that you use hyperbolic functions quite a bit in relativity, so they are one of those functions you should familiarize yourself with.

David Mattingly Staff - 7 years, 7 months ago

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This depends on the problem itself. If the mass of the hanging chain is not proportional to its length, then, the result is not a hyperbolic function. It is a parabola instead.

Minh Quan Le Thien - 7 years, 6 months ago

We have: T cos θ = T 0 T\text{cos }\!\!~\!\!\text{ }\theta ={{T}_{0}}~ cos θ = 1 7 \cos \theta =\frac{1}{7} θ 1.4274 \theta \approx 1.4274

We also have the famous result:

s = a tan θ = a sinh x a s=a\tan \theta =a\sinh \frac{x}{a}

a = 1.5 tan 1.4274 0.2165 \therefore a=\frac{1.5}{\tan 1.4274}\approx 0.2165

Thus,

tan θ = sinh x 0.2165 \tan \theta =\sinh \frac{x}{0.2165}

Solve for x,

x 0.5703 x\approx 0.5703

But this is only half the width. Hence, the result is 1.14 m

I like the simplicity of your solution compared to the others!

Cole Coupland - 7 years, 6 months ago

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