That boy should have been careful

A boy is initially seated on the top of a hemispherical ice mound of radius R = 13.8 m R = 13.8 m . He begins to slide down the ice, with a negligible initial speed. Approximate the ice as being frictionless. At a height a b × R , \dfrac{a}{b} \times R, the boy lose contact with the ice, where a a and b b are coprime positive integers . What is the value of a + b a+b ?


The answer is 5.

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2 solutions

Abhishek Singh
Apr 26, 2014

Let F N F_{N} is the normal force of the ice on the boy and m m is his mass.The net inward force is m g cos θ F N mg \cos\theta-F_{N} and according to newton’s second law,this must be equal to m v 2 R \frac{mv^{2}}{R} ,we wish to find his speed If the gravitational potential energy is taken to be zero when he is at the top of the ice mound, then his potential energy at the time shown is U = m g R ( 1 cos θ ) -U=mgR(1-\cos\theta) He starts from rest and his kinetic energy at the time shown is 1 2 × m v 2 \frac{1}{2} \times mv^{2} Thus conservation of energy gives 0 = 1 2 × m v 2 m g R ( 1 cos θ ) 0= \frac{1}{2} \times mv^{2} - mgR(1-\cos\theta) Or v 2 = 2 g R ( 1 cos θ ) v^{2}=2gR(1-\cos\theta) We substitute this expression into the equation developed from the second law to obtain g cos θ = 2 g ( 1 cos θ ) g \cos\theta=2g(1-\cos\theta) .This gives cos θ = 2 3 \cos\theta=\frac{2}{3} .The height of the boy above the bottom of the mound is h = R cos θ = 2 3 R h=R \cos\theta=\frac{2}{3}R .Hence a + b = 5 a+b=\boxed{5}

An interesting extension to this problem is to consider what would happen when a solid ball rolls without slipping down the hemispherical mound. In this case, rotational kinetic energy needs to be accounted for, so the kinetic energy of the ball would be:

7 10 m v 2 \frac{7}{10}mv^{2}

Solving the rest in the same way gives:

cos θ = 10 17 \cos \theta = \frac{10}{17}

And therefore:

h = 10 17 R h = \frac{10}{17}R

So:

a + b = 10 + 17 = 27 a + b = 10 + 17 = \boxed{27}

A K - 7 years, 1 month ago

Shit!!! I misread it as a sphere and got my answer 8

Pankaj Joshi - 6 years, 10 months ago

You should mention in the question that the height is being measured from the bottom

Mayank Singh - 6 years, 3 months ago

It's a good problem! Another interesting extension to this problem is to consider what would happen when the hemispherical mound is free to slide horizontally on a frictionless floor.

Brian Lie - 3 years, 1 month ago

this is a classic problem which appears in a lot of physics textbooks, school/university exams, and even competitions

Ramon Vicente Marquez - 3 months, 4 weeks ago

Let us assume that angle the radius makes with the vertical when the boy loses contact is A and the point is L m below the top.
Boy lose contact when...... cent. acc = radial component of g.
Hence, V^2/R = g * Cos(A)..<......> Loss of P.E. = Gain in K.E. =====>
(1/2) * m * V^2 = m * g * L
Hence, ( 2 * g * L)/R = g * Cos(A) = g * (R - L)/R..<..> L = R/3.



Height h = R - L =R - R/3 = (2/3) * R =(a/b) * R....... a+b= 5.

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