⎩ ⎪ ⎪ ⎨ ⎪ ⎪ ⎧ a + b + c = 7 a 2 + b 2 + c 2 = 2 3 a + b 1 + b + c 1 + a + c 1 = 3 1
If a , b and c satisfy the system of equations above, find the value of a 3 + b 3 + c 3 .
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Note that in fact, no such real numbers a , b , c exist, so this problem is faulty. (check that a 2 , b 2 , and c 2 do not satisfy AM-GM)
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Just see if one of the values is 6.96760404
AM-GM are for positive real numbers
a , b , c is not itself satisfying AM-GM inequality , how come they be real numbers
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AM-GM only applies to nonnegative real numbers, so you have to use a 2 , b 2 , and c 2 .
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yup my fault and it is not satisfying a^2 , b^2, c^2 also
After getting (a + b) (b + c) (c +a) = 2 , On expanding (a + b) (b + c) (c +a) we get :- ( a2 b + a2c + ab2 + 2abc + ac2 + b2c + bc2) = 2, which can be rewritten as:- ab(a + b) + bc(b +c) +ac(a + b) = 2. Now as a + b + c = 7; a + b = 7 – c, b +c = 7 – a and a + c = 7 – b. Putting these values on the above equation we get:- 7(ab + bc + ca) – abc = 2 Now since ab + bc + ca = 13 {from (a + b + c)2 - a2 +b2+c2} Therefore abc = 89. Now a3 + b3 + c3 – 3abc = (a + b + c)( a2 +b2+c2 -ab - bc - ca) So , a3 + b3 + c3 - 3abc = 7(23 – 10) = 70 a3 + b3 + c3 = 70 + 3(89) = 70 + 267 = 337
Not real number solution.
i was closed, but failed...
Excellent thanks
Thanks for such a nice explanation....
a + b 1 + b + c 1 + c + a 1 = 3 1 . Simplification leads to
( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( c + a ) a 2 + b 2 + c 2 + 3 a b + 3 b c + 3 a c = 3 1 .
Now, a b + b c + a c = 2 ( a + b + c ) 2 − ( a 2 + b 2 + c 2 ) = 1 3 . So we have,
( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( c + a ) 2 3 + 3 9 = 3 1 ⟹ ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( c + a ) = 2
Finally a 3 + b 3 + c 3 = ( a + b + c ) 3 − 3 ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( c + a ) = 7 3 − 3 × 2 = 3 4 3 − 6 = 3 3 7
343-6=337
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i did it exactly the same way......cheers!!!!
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( a + b + c ) 2 = a 2 + b 2 + c 2 + 2 ∗ ( a b + b c + a c ) Hence 7 2 = 4 9 = 2 3 + 2 ∗ ( a b + b c + a c ) Therefore (ab+bc+ac) = 13 -------> (1)
( a + b + c ) 3 = a 3 + b 3 + c 3 + 3 ∗ ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( c + a ) \[ H e n c e \[ 7 3 = 3 4 3 = a 3 + b 3 + c 3 + 3 ∗ ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( c + a ) Therefore a 3 + b 3 + c 3 = 3 4 3 − 3 ∗ ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( c + a ) -----------> (2)
We are given that a + b 1 + b + c 1 + c + a 1 = 3 1 which is on simplification ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ∗ ( c + a ) a 2 + b 2 + c 2 + 3 ∗ ( a b + b c + a c ) = 3 1 Which is ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( c + a ) 2 3 + 3 ∗ 1 3 = 3 1 Hence (a+b)(b+c)*(c+a) = 62/31 = 2 -------------------> (3)
Substituting (3) in (2) we get a 3 + b 3 + c 3 = 3 4 3 − 3 ∗ 2 = 3 3 7
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Superb solution......!!!!!!!
We'll use this identity to find the value of a 3 + b 3 + c 3 : ( a + b + c ) 3 = a 3 + b 3 + c 3 + 3 ( a + b + c ) ( a b + b c + a c ) − 3 ( a b c )
From 1st and 2nd equation in the problem, we can find a b + b c + a c ( a + b + c ) 2 = a 2 + b 2 + c 2 + 2 ( a b + b c + a c )
7 2 = 2 3 + 2 ( a b + b c + a c )
a b + b c + a c = 1 3
Meanwhile, we can write the 3rd equation into this form : 7 − a 1 + 7 − b 1 + 7 − c 1 = 3 1 .
Then, ( 7 − a ) ( 7 − b ) ( 7 − c ) ( 7 − a ) ( 7 − b ) + ( 7 − b ) ( 7 − c ) + ( 7 − c ) ( 7 − a ) = 3 1
( 7 − a ) ( 7 − b ) + ( 7 − b ) ( 7 − c ) + ( 7 − c ) ( 7 − a ) = 3 1 ( 7 − a ) ( 7 − b ) ( 7 − c )
3 . 7 2 − 1 4 ( a + b + c ) − ( a b + b c + a c ) = 3 1 ( 7 3 − 7 2 ( a + b + c ) + 7 ( a b + b c + a c ) − a b c )
3 . 7 2 − 1 4 ( 7 ) − ( 1 3 ) = 3 1 ( 7 3 − 7 3 + 7 ( 1 3 ) − a b c )
a b c = 8 9
Substitute a b + b c + a c = 1 3 , a b c = 8 9 and a + b + c = 7 into ( a + b + c ) 3 = a 3 + b 3 + c 3 + 3 ( a + b + c ) ( a b + b c + a c ) − 3 ( a b c ) .
Then, ( a + b + c ) 3 = a 3 + b 3 + c 3 + 3 ( a + b + c ) ( a b + b c + a c ) − 3 ( a b c )
( 7 ) 3 = a 3 + b 3 + c 3 + 3 ( 7 ) ( 1 3 ) − 3 ( 8 9 )
a 3 + b 3 + c 3 = 3 3 7
I have computed the answer to be 3 3 7 ; however, the truth is that no such real numbers exist!!
Using the third equation a + b 1 + b + c 1 + a + c 1 = 3 1 , we can show that a b c = 8 9 (Detailed proof at the end of this post.) Then you will recall that the AM-GM inequality holds for all nonnegative real numbers, so in particular consider a 2 , b 2 , and c 2 . We have that 3 a 2 + b 2 + c 2 3 2 3 3 2 3 3 3 2 3 3 2 7 1 2 1 6 7 1 2 1 6 7 ≥ 3 a 2 b 2 c 2 ≥ 3 ( a b c ) 2 ≥ 3 8 9 2 ≥ 8 9 2 ≥ 7 9 2 1 ≥ 7 9 2 1 ⋅ 2 7 = 2 1 3 8 6 7 which is a contradiction, showing that a , b , c do not, in fact, exist.
Another way to see that no real numbers exist is to compute the polynomial ( x − a ) ( x − b ) ( x − c ) = x 3 − ( a + b + c ) x 2 + ( a b + b c + c a ) x − a b c . It is straightforward to show that a b + b c + c a = 1 3 (this is at the end of this post also), so the polynomial is x 3 − 7 x 2 + 1 3 x − 8 9 which one can check has no real roots, either by calculating that the discriminant is negative , or by graphing the equation .
Over the complex numbers these sorts of problems are guaranteed a solution, but over the real numbers they are not. One should be careful when formulating such a problem to make sure there is actually a solution!
Here are proofs of the basic facts used above.
First, a b + b c + c a = 2 ( a + b + c ) 2 − ( a 2 + b 2 + c 2 ) = 2 7 2 − 2 3 = 1 3 Second, a + b 1 + b + c 1 + c + a 1 ⟹ ( a + c ) ( b + c ) + ( a + b ) ( a + c ) + ( a + b ) ( b + c ) = 3 1 = 3 1 ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( c + a ) So we have a 2 + b 2 + c 2 + 3 ( a b + b c + c a ) a 2 + b 2 + c 2 + 3 ( a b + b c + c a ) a 2 + b 2 + c 2 + 3 ( a b + b c + c a ) = 3 1 [ a 2 b + a 2 c + b 2 a + b 2 c + c 2 a + c 2 b + 2 a b c ] = 3 1 [ ( a + b + c ) ( a b + b c + c a ) − a b c ] = 3 1 ( a + b + c ) ( a b + b c + c a ) − 3 1 a b c Therefore, 3 1 a b c ⟹ a b c = 3 1 ( a + b + c ) ( a b + b c + c a ) − 3 ( a b + b c + c a ) − ( a 2 + b 2 + c 2 ) = 3 1 ( 7 ) ( 1 3 ) − 3 ( 1 3 ) − 2 3 = 3 1 ( 9 1 ) − 3 9 − 2 3 = 3 1 ( 9 1 ) − 3 1 ( 2 ) = 9 1 − 2 = 8 9 .
Thanks for the observation! I was debating when I wrote this problem whether it would be appropriate to say that they are real values, but I wasn't sure how to prove it. I guess it would have been better to say that they are complex numbers. :)
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You're welcome. However, do you realize that this renders your problem explicitly invalid? The correct answer to the problem is "no solutions", which isn't an option. I'm not just making an "observation", I'm explaining why your problem is wrong. Please fix it if at all possible. Thank you!
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Yes, of course, I do realize the problem is faulty. However, the problem isn't asking for the individual values of a , b , and c , but an expression involving these values. The main focus of this problem is algebraic manipulation, so the subtlety of the values being real shouldn't have any impact. In addition, I cannot change the title of the problem (as far as I know), so having two contradicting statements in one problem would be silly. Once I have the option to change the title as well, I will fix this.
First, note the following general equations for values a , b , and c :
Here, we can see that:
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a + b + c = 7
a 2 + b 2 + c 2 = 23
( a + b + c ) 2 = a 2 + b 2 + c 2 + 2( ab + bc + ca )
7 2 = 23 + 2( ab + bc + ca )
49 = 23 + 2( ab + bc + ca )
2( ab + bc + ca ) = 49 - 23
( ab + bc + ca ) = 13
( ab + bc + ca )( a + b + c ) = 91
(a^2b + a^2c + b^2a + b^2c + c^2a + c^2b) + 3abc = 91
Simplify : a + b 1 + b + c 1 + a + c 1 .
a + b 1 + b + c 1 + a + c 1 = 2 a b c + ( a 2 b + a 2 c + b 2 a + b 2 c + c 2 a + c 2 b ) 3 ( a b + b c + a c ) + ( a 2 + b 2 + c 2 )
a + b 1 + b + c 1 + a + c 1 = 31
2 a b c + ( a 2 b + a 2 c + b 2 a + b 2 c + c 2 a + c 2 b ) 3 ( a b + b c + a c ) + ( a 2 + b 2 + c 2 ) = 31
31 = 3 a b c + ( a 2 b + a 2 c + b 2 a + b 2 c + c 2 a + c 2 b ) − a b c 3 ( a b + b c + a c ) + ( a 2 + b 2 + c 2 )
[adding and subtracting 'abc' to the denominator]
31 = 3 a b c + ( a 2 b + a 2 c + b 2 a + b 2 c + c 2 a + c 2 b ) − a b c 3 ( 1 3 ) + ( 2 3 )
9 1 − a b c 3 9 + 2 3 = 31
9 1 − a b c 6 2 = 31
91 - abc = 2
abc = 89
a 3 + b 3 + c 3 - 3abc = (a + b + c)[ a 2 + b 2 + c 2 - (ab + bc + ac)]
a 3 + b 3 + c 3 - 3(89) = 7(23 - 13)
a 3 + b 3 + c 3 - 267 = 7(10)
a 3 + b 3 + c 3 = 267 + 70
a 3 + b 3 + c 3 = 337
(a + b + c)3= a^3 + b^3+ c^3 + 3 [(a+b)(b+c)(a+c)] ----1
given
31 = [a^2+b^2+c^2 + 3(ab+bc+ac)] / [(a+b)(b+c)(a+c)]
== > [ (a+b)(b+c)(a+c)] = [a^2+b^2+c^2 + {3/2[(a + b + c)^2 - a^2+b^2+c^2]}] / 31
= [23 + { 3/2 [(7)^2 - 23]}] / 31
= [23 + { 3/2 [26] } ] / 31
=[23+ 39 ] / 31
=62 / 31 = 2 = [ (a+b)(b+c)(a+c)]------2
substitute 2 in 1
7^3 = a^3 + b^3+ c^3+ 3(2)
343 - 6 = a^3 + b^3+ c^3
ans:- a^3 + b^3+ c^3 = 337
(a+b+c)^3=a3+b3+c3+3(a2b+ab2+b2c+bc2+a2c+ac2)+6abc ab+bc+ca=((a+b+c)^2-(a2+b2+c2))/2=13 (a+b)(b+c)(c+a)=a2b+ab2+b2c+bc2+a2c+ac2+2abc=2 a2b+ab2+b2c+bc2+a2c+ac2=2-2abc now put all these values in first eqn. (a+b+c)^3=a3+b3+c3+3(a2b+ab2+b2c+bc2+a2c+ac2)+6abc 343 = a3+b3+c3+3(2-2abc)+6abc 343-6=a3+b3+c3 therefore a3+b3+c3=337
Step1: get a^{2}b + b^{2}c + c^{2}a + ab^{2} + bc^{2} + ac^{2} + 2abc = 2 Step 2: Expand (a + b + c)^{3} and get the answer
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from (a+b+c)^{2} = a^{2}+b^{2}+c^{2}+2 (ab+bc+ca) , find ab+bc+ca; then from 3rd equation, by cross multiplication find (2 abc+a^{2}b+a b^{2}+....); then use (a+b+c)^{3} = a^{3}+b^{3}+c^{3}+3 (2 abc+a^{2}b+a b^{2}+....) to find answer....
These 3 equations can be reduced into linear equation with two variables such that 1) y=3x+70 2) y=2x+159 . where y= ∑ a 3 and x = a b c .
2 ( a b + b c + c a ) = ( a + b + c ) 2 − ( a 2 + b 2 + c 2 ) = 4 9 − 2 3 = 2 6
or, a b + b c + c a = 1 3
From the last equation, ∑ c y c ( a + b ) ( b + c ) = 3 1 ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( c + a )
or, ∑ c y c ( a b + a c + b 2 + b c ) = 3 1 ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( c + a )
or, ∑ c y c ( a b + b c + c a ) + ∑ c y c b 2 = 3 1 ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( c + a )
or, 3 1 ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( c + a ) = 3 . 1 3 + 2 3 = 6 2 .Hence, ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( c + a ) = 2
Now, ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( c + a ) = ( a + b + c ) ( a b + b c + c a ) − a b c = 9 1 − a b c .
Hence, a b c = 8 9
Now, a , b , c are the roots of x 3 − 7 x 2 + 1 3 x − 8 9 = 0
Finally, i use the result that if a , b , c are the roots of x 3 + p 1 x 2 + p 2 x + p 3 = 0 ,then a 3 , b 3 , c 3 are the roots of x 3 − ( p 1 3 − 3 p 1 p 2 + 3 p 3 ) x 2 + ( p 2 3 − 3 p 1 p 2 p 3 + 3 p 3 2 ) x + p 3 3 = 0
Here, we just have to compute the second co-efficient.Hence the value of a 3 + b 3 + c 3 = − ( ( − 7 ) 3 − 3 ( − 7 ) ( 1 3 ) + 3 ( − 8 9 ) ) = 3 3 7
a + b + c = 7 < = > ( a + b + c ) 2 = 4 9 = a 2 + b 2 + c 2 + 2 a b + 2 b c + 2 a c
< = > a b + b c + a c = 2 1 ( 4 9 − ( a 2 + b 2 + c 2 ) ) = 2 1 ( 4 9 − 2 3 ) = 1 3
a + b 1 + b + c 1 + a + c 1 = a + b ( a + c ) ( b + c ) + b + c ( a + b ) ( a + c ) + a + c ( a + b ) ( b + c )
= ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( a + c ) a 2 + b 2 + c 2 + 3 a b + 3 b c + 3 a c = ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( a + c ) ( a + b + c ) 2 + a b + b c + a c
< = > ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( a + c ) = 3 1 ( a + b + c ) 2 + a b + b c + a c = 3 1 4 9 + 1 3 = 2
( a + b + c ) 3 = a 3 + b 3 + c 3 + 3 ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( a + c )
< = > a 3 + b 3 + c 3 = ( a + b + c ) 3 − 3 ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( a + c ) = 7 3 − 3 ∗ 2 = 3 3 7
(a+b+c)^3=a^3+b^3+c^3+3(a+b)(b+c)(c+a).............1 from the last equation we get 31(a+b)(b+c)(c+a)=(b+c)(c+a)+(a+b)(b+c)+(a+b)(c+a) =a^2+b^2+c^2+3(ab+bc+ca).................2 from the given first equation squaring both sides we get (a+b+c)^2=a^2+b^2+c^2+2(ab+bc+ca) 49=23+2(ab+bc+ca) ab=bc+ca=13 substitute in ....2 we get 31(a+b)(b+c)(c+a)=23+29=62 (a+b)(b+c)(c+a)=2 substitute in ....1 we get a^3+b^3+c^3=343-6=337
a 3 + b 3 + c 3 − 3 a b c = ( a + b + c ) ( a 2 + b 2 + c 2 − a b − b c − a c ) a 3 + b 3 + c 3 = ( a + b + c ) ( a 2 + b 2 + c 2 − a b − b c − a c ) + 3 a b c a 3 + b 3 + c 3 = 7 ( 2 3 − a b − b c − a c ) + 3 a b c a + b 1 + b + c 1 + a + c 1 = 3 1 ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( a + c ) ( b + c ) ( a + c ) + ( a + b ) ( a + c ) + ( a + b ) ( b + c ) = 3 1 ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( a + c ) a b + b c + a c + c 2 + a 2 + a c + a b + b c + a b + a c + b 2 + b c = 3 1 ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( a + c ) a 2 + b 2 + c 2 + 3 ( a b + b c + a c ) = 3 1 ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( a + c ) 2 3 + 3 ( a b + b c + a c ) = 3 1 a + b = 7 − c a + c = 7 − b b + c = 7 − a ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( a + c ) ( b + c ) ( a + c ) + ( a + b ) ( a + c ) + ( a + b ) ( b + c ) = 3 1 ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( a + c ) ( 7 − a ) ( 7 − b ) + ( 7 − c ) ( 7 − b ) + ( 7 − c ) ( 7 − a ) = 3 1 ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( a + c ) 4 9 − 7 b − 7 a + a b + 4 9 − 7 b − 7 c + b c + 4 9 − 7 a − 7 c + a c = 3 1 ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( a + c ) 1 4 7 − 1 4 a − 1 4 b − 1 4 c + a b + b c + a c = 3 1 ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( a + c ) 1 4 7 − 1 4 ( a + b + c ) + a b + b c + a c = 3 1 ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( a + c ) 1 4 7 − 1 4 ( 7 ) + a b + b c + a c = 3 1 ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( a + c ) 1 4 7 − 9 8 + a b + b c + a c = 3 1 ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( a + c ) 4 9 + a b + b c + a c = 3 1 2 3 + 3 ( a b + b c + a c ) = 4 9 + a b + b c + a c 2 ( a b + b c + a c ) = 4 9 − 2 3 = 2 6 a b + b c + a c = 1 3 4 9 + 1 3 = 6 2 ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( a + c ) = 2 a 2 ( b + c ) + b 2 ( a + c ) + c 2 ( a + b ) + 2 a b c = 2 a 2 ( 7 − a ) + b 2 ( 7 − b ) + c 2 ( 7 − c ) + 2 a b c = 2 7 a 2 − a 3 + 7 b 2 − b 3 + 7 c 2 − c 3 + 2 a b c = 2 7 ( a 2 + b 2 + c 2 ) − 7 ( 2 3 − a b − b c − a c ) − 3 a b c + 2 a b c = 2 7 ( 2 3 ) − 7 ( 1 0 ) − a b c = 2 1 6 1 − 7 0 − 2 = a b c a b c = 8 9 3 a b c = 2 6 7 2 6 7 + 7 0 = 3 3 7
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a^3 +b^3+c^3=3abc+(a+b+c)(a^2 + b^2 + c^2 -ab - bc - ca)
solving 1 we get ab+bc+ca=13
== a^2+b^2+c^2 +3(ab+bc+ca)/(a+b)(b+c)(c+a)=31
or (a+b)(b+c)(c+a)=2
or ba^2 + ab^2 +ca^2 +ac^2 + bc^2 + cb^2 + 2abc=2
adding abc both side
we get lhs=rhs
(a+b+c)(bc+ca+ab)=2+abc
or abc=89
put all the values to get a^3 + b^3 +c^3 = 337
From the 1st and 2nd equations we get ab + bc + ca = 13; Plug the values of a + b+ c, ab + bc + ca in the 3rd equation to obtain abc = 89. So a, b, c are the roots of the equation x^3 -7x^2 + 13x - 89 = 0. Hence a^3 + b^3 + c^3 = 7(a^2 + b^2 +c^2) - 13(a + b + c) +3(89) = 337
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This can easily be solved backwards: first we manipulate the last equation a bit until it reads 3 1 = ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( a + c ) a 2 + b 2 + c 2 + 3 ( a b + b c + a c ) = ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( a + c ) 2 3 + 3 ( 2 ( a + b + c ) 2 − ( a 2 + b 2 + c 2 ) ) = ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( a + c ) 2 3 + 2 3 ( 4 9 − 2 3 ) , which equals ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( a + c ) 6 2 .
The next realisation is that 3 ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( a + c ) = ( a + b + c ) 3 − ( a 3 + b 3 + c 3 ) = 7 3 − ( a 3 + b 3 + c 3 ) .
Combining these two equations, we find that a 3 + b 3 + c 3 = ( a + b + c ) 3 − 3 ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( a + c ) = 7 3 − 3 ⋅ 3 1 6 2 = 7 3 − 6 = 3 3 7 .