The Answer Is Not 3

Algebra Level 5

Consider all ordered triples of positive real numbers ( a , b , c ) (a, b, c) such that a 2 + b 2 + c 2 = 5 2 ( a b + b c + c a ) . a^2 + b^2 + c^2 = \frac{5}{2} (ab + bc + ca ) . To 3 decimal places, what is the minimum value of

a + b + c a b c 3 ? \frac { a+b+c} { \sqrt[3]{abc} } ?


It should be clear that a = b = c a = b = c doesn't satisfy the given condition, which is why the answer is not 3.
You will likely need to use a calculator to evaluate the final expression.


The answer is 4.124.

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1 solution

Calvin Lin Staff
May 1, 2014

Observe that all the expressions are homogenous, hence we may make the simplifying assumption that a + b + c = 1 a+b+c = 1 (Otherwise, divide through out by k = a + b + c k = a + b + c , and replace the variable with a = a k , b = b k , c = c k a^* = \frac{a}{k}, b^* = \frac{b}{k} , c^* = \frac{c}{k} .)

We have 1 = ( a + b + c ) 2 = a 2 + b 2 + c 2 + 2 ( a b + b c + c a ) = 9 2 ( a b + b c + c a ) 1 = (a+b+c)^2 = a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + 2(ab+bc+ca) = \frac{9}{2} ( ab+bc+ca) so ( a b + b c + c a ) = 2 9 (ab+bc+ca) = \frac{ 2}{9} . Let a b c = M abc = M , which is a positive number.

Consider the cubic equation which has roots a , b , c a, b, c . By Vieta's, the equation is X 3 X 2 + 2 9 X M = 0 X^3 - X^2 + \frac{ 2}{9}X - M = 0 . Since it has 3 real (positive) roots, it has a non-negative discriminant. As such, this tells us that

4 19683 M 2 0 M 4 19683 . 4 - 19683 M^2 \geq 0 \Rightarrow M \leq \sqrt{ \frac{ 4}{ 19683 } } .

Thus, the minimum value of the expression would be a + b + c a b c 3 = 1 M 3 19683 4 6 = 4.124 \frac{ a+b+c} { \sqrt[3]{abc} } = \frac{ 1} { \sqrt[3]{M} } \geq \sqrt[6]{\frac{19683} {4} } = \boxed{4.124}

Note: By factoring X 3 X 2 + 2 9 X 4 19683 = [ x 1 9 ( 3 3 ) ] [ x 1 9 ( 3 3 ) ] [ x 1 9 ( 3 + 2 3 ) ] X^3 - X^2 + \frac{2}{9} X - \sqrt{ \frac{4}{19683} } = [ x -\frac{1}{9} ( 3 - \sqrt{3}) ][ x -\frac{1}{9} ( 3 - \sqrt{3}) ][ x -\frac{1}{9} ( 3 + 2 \sqrt{3}) ] , we see that equality occurs at ( 3 3 , 3 3 , 3 + 2 3 ) ( 3 - \sqrt{3}, 3 - \sqrt{3}, 3 + 2 \sqrt{3} ) , and permutations and constant multiples.


I finally added a solution to this series of inequality questions with strange solution sets :)
On hindsight, the equations would be slightly nicer if we used a + b + c = 9 a + b +c = 9 .
This question was adapted from an Iranian Olympiad problem which had the condition a 2 + b 2 + c 2 = 2 ( a b + b c + c a ) a^2 + b^2 + c^2 = 2( ab + bc + ca ) , with a similar setup. With that condition, it was easier to guess the equality condition, and push through with the solution.

It's a nice problem with a nice solution idea. But a=b=c gives an answer of 3, right? So shouldn't the problem be "The answer is not 3"?

David Stoner - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Thanks! That is right. I had lost the ability to do arithmetic. I've updated it accordingly.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 1 month ago

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If we us AM greater than GM in ab,bc,ca

yash jain - 7 years, 1 month ago

I had entered 4.071 and it showed that I solved it... But the answer is 4.124...how is this possible??

Arvind Chander - 7 years, 1 month ago

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you might have done something good to someone in your past life....:D

Max B - 7 years, 1 month ago

For decimals, we have a slight leeway which accepts a range of answers.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 1 month ago

How the rating of the problems done on brilliant? can any problem can be given the rating?

Vishal Choudhary - 7 years, 1 month ago

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The easiest way is to set a suitable topic and level for your problem.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 1 month ago

Nice solution. I got it right though.. I just don't understand why u didn't put the condition. It would have saved me a lot of time and work??????????

Ashtik Mahapatra - 7 years, 1 month ago

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If you are referring to the condition of a + b + c = 1 a+b+c = 1 , it is a skill to recognize when we can homogenize problems in such a way.

This is not a unique condition. For example, we could also use a b c = 1 abc= 1 , and derive the solution in a similar way.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 1 month ago

What is the discriminant for a general cubic equation?

Led Tasso - 7 years, 1 month ago

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I refer you to Wikipedia- Discriminant of cubic .

For higher degree polynomials with roots r i r_i , the discriminant is defined as a n 2 n 2 ( r i r j ) 2 a_n ^{2n-2} \prod( r_i - r_j) ^2 .

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 1 month ago

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