The Biggest Degree

Algebra Level 4

Find the largest possible degree n 1000 n \le 1000 of a polynomial p ( x ) p(x) such that

  1. p ( i ) = i p(i) = i \, for every integer i i with 1 i n ; 1 \le i \leq n;
  2. p ( 1 ) = 1671 ; p(-1) = 1671;
  3. p ( 0 ) p(0) is an integer (not necessarily 0).


The answer is 835.

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10 solutions

Bojan Serafimov
May 20, 2014

Let f ( x ) = p ( x ) x f(x) = p(x) - x . The system given is equivalent to:
1. f ( i ) = 0 \ f(i) = 0 for every integer i i with 1 i n 1 \leq i \leq n
2. f ( 1 ) = 1672 \ f(-1) = 1672
3. f ( 0 ) 3.\ f(0) is an integer.


From (1) and the Remainder-Factor Theorem it follows that f ( x ) = A i = 1 n ( x i ) f(x) = A\prod_{i = 1}^n (x - i) . The degree of i = 1 n ( x i ) \prod_{i = 1}^n (x - i) is n n , which is same as the degree of f ( x ) f(x) , so A A is a constant.
(3) is equivalent with " A n ! = k An! = k , where k k is an integer."
(2) is equivalent with A ( n + 1 ) ! ( 1 ) n = 1672 A(n+1)!(-1)^n = 1672 , or k ( n + 1 ) ( 1 ) n = 1672 k(n+1)(-1)^n = 1672 .

From here it follows that ( n + 1 ) 1672 (n+1)\ |\ 1672 . The biggest such n n that is smaller than 1000 1000 is 835 835 , so n 835 n \leq 835 . f ( x ) = 2 i = 1 835 ( x i ) n ! f(x) = \frac{-2\prod_{i = 1}^{835} (x - i)}{n!} is a solution, which proves that n = 835 n = 835

Make sure you know the actual name of the theorem that you're quoting, and what it means. Ruffini's theorem and Ruffini's rule do not apply.

The most common objection was that x + A i = 1 1000 ( x i ) x+ A\prod_{i=1}^{1000} (x-i) 'clearly works'.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years ago
Chang Yoon Lee
May 20, 2014

Since p ( i ) = i p(i) = i for every integer i i with 1 i n 1 \leq i \leq n ,

roots of p ( x ) x = 0 p(x) - x = 0 will be all integers between 1 1 and n n .

p ( i ) x \therefore p(i) - x will take the form:

C ( x 1 ) ( x 2 ) ( x 3 ) ( x n ) C(x-1)(x-2)(x-3) \ldots (x-n) , where C C is a constant.

This leads to: p ( 1 ) ( 1 ) = C ( 2 ) ( 3 ) ( 4 ) [ ( n + 1 ) ] p(-1) - (-1) = C(-2)(-3)(-4) \ldots [-(n+1)]

Since p ( 1 ) = 1671 p(-1) = 1671 ,

1672 = C ( n + 1 ) ! 1672 = C (n+1)! when n n is even, 1672 = C ( n + 1 ) ! 1672 = -C (n+1)! when n n is odd.

Solving for C C ,

C = 1672 ( n + 1 ) ! C = \frac {1672}{(n+1)!} when n n is even, and C = 1672 ( n + 1 ) ! C = -\frac {1672}{(n+1)!} when n n is odd.

p ( 0 ) = C ( 1 ) ( 2 ) ( 3 ) ( n ) p(0) = C(-1)(-2)(-3)\ldots(-n)

Substituting C C into the equation, we get:

p ( 0 ) = 1672 ( n + 1 ) ! × n ! p(0) = \frac {1672}{(n+1)!} \times n! when n n is even,

p ( 0 ) = 1672 ( n + 1 ) ! × ( n ! ) p(0) = -\frac {1672}{(n+1)!} \times -(n!) when n n is odd.

For both cases, p ( 0 ) = 1672 ( n + 1 ) ! × n ! = 1672 n + 1 p(0) = \frac {1672}{(n+1)!} \times n! = \frac {1672}{n+1}

Since p ( 0 ) p(0) is an integer, n + 1 n+1 must be a factor of 1672 1672

The largest value of n + 1 n+1 when n 1000 n \leq 1000 is 836 836 .

n = 836 1 = 835 \therefore n = 836-1 = 835

100% what i did. upvoted

Aareyan Manzoor - 6 years, 4 months ago

Define the function q(i) as:

q ( i ) = p ( i ) i q(i) = p(i) - i

So, for all i = 1... n i=1...n , q ( i ) = 0 q(i) = 0 . This means that q ( i ) q(i) has roots for all i i , so we can more generally define it as:

q ( i ) = A ( i 1 ) . . . ( i n ) q(i) = A(i-1)...(i-n)

Looking at the case where i = 1 i=-1 :

p ( 1 ) ( 1 ) = q ( 1 ) p(-1)-(-1)=q(-1)

q ( 1 ) = 1672 = ( 1 ) n A ( n + 1 ) ! q(-1)=1672=(-1)^n \cdot A \cdot (n+1)!

A = 1672 ( 1 ) n ( n + 1 ) ! \rightarrow A=\frac {1672}{(-1)^n \cdot (n+1)!}

But looking at i = 0 i=0 :

p ( 0 ) = q ( 0 ) = ( 1 ) n A n ! p(0)=q(0)=(-1)^n \cdot A \cdot n! is an integer

So we know that 1672 n ! ( n + 1 ) ! \frac {1672 \cdot n!}{(n+1)!} is also an integer, so

1672 n + 1 \frac {1672}{n+1} is also an integer

One acceptable solution to this would be 1672, but this, of course, is >1000. The next solution would thus be:

n + 1 = 836 n+1=836

n = 835 n=835

Jithin J
May 20, 2014

First, we try to construct the polynomial from the given conditions. As per condition (1), the polynomial will be of the form p ( x ) = k ( x 1 ) ( x 2 ) ( x n ) + x p(x) = k(x-1)(x-2) \ldots (x-n) + x because value of polynomial at n points is given, which implies polynomial is completely known except for a constant.

From condition (2), we have k ( 2 ) ( 3 ) ( 1 n ) 1 = 1671 k (-2)(-3) \ldots (-1-n) - 1 = 1671 . This can be re-written as k ( 1 ) n ( n + 1 ) ! = 1672 k (-1)^n (n+1)! = 1672 .

From condition (3), we have k ( 1 ) ( 2 ) ( n ) + 0 = I n t e g e r , c k (-1) (-2) \ldots (-n) + 0 = Integer, c . This can be re-written as k ( 1 ) n n ! = c k (-1)^n n!= c .

By dividing the above two equations, we have 1672 n + 1 = c \frac{1672}{n+1} =c . The largest integer n + 1 ( n 1000 ) n+1 \, (n \le 1000) which divides 1672 is 836. This implies n = 836 1 = 835 n = 836-1= 835 .

Adams Koreas
May 20, 2014

Let q(x)=p(x)-x, so q(x) vanish for x=1, 2, …, n. That means that has the form q(x) =a (x-1) (x-2) (x-3) (x-n). Since p(-1)=1671 we get 1672=a (-2) (-3) (-4) (-n-1), so we have an even number of negative factors and a=1672/(n+1!). But p(0) is an integer and p(0)=q(0)=a n! . In other words (1672/(n+1!)) n! =1672/(n+1) is an integer, so n+1 divides 1672. Since the divisors of 1672 are: 1, 2, 4, 8, 11, 19, 22, 38, 44, 76, 88, 152, 209, 418, 836, 1672. We have that n<=1000, so the maximum value for n+1 is 836, so the maximum possible degree of p(x) is 835.

Matteo Fogato
May 20, 2014

At first, I define a polynomial r ( x ) : = p ( x ) x r(x):= p(x)-x Of course r ( i ) = 0 1 i n r(i) = 0 \quad \forall 1\leq i \leq n thus, for Ruffini's theorem, r ( x ) = a 0 i = 1 n ( x i ) = p ( x ) x \displaystyle r(x) = a_0 \prod_{i=1}^{n}(x-i) = p(x) -x with a 0 Q a_0 \in \mathbb{Q} and so p ( x ) = x + a 0 i = 1 n ( x i ) \displaystyle p(x) = x+a_0 \prod_{i=1}^{n}(x-i) . Then p ( 1 ) = a 0 ( 1 ) n ( n + 1 ) ! 1 = 1671 p(-1) = a_0 (-1)^n (n+1)! -1 = 1671 a 0 ( 1 ) n ( n + 1 ) ! = 1672 a_0(-1)^n (n+1)! = 1672 and p ( 0 ) = a 0 ( 1 ) n n ! p(0) = a_0 (-1)^n n! Thus p ( 0 ) = 1672 n + 1 \displaystyle p(0) = \frac{1672}{n+1} Now, because 836 836 is the gratest divisor of 1672 1672 we must have that n + 1 = 836 n+1 = 836 and so n = 835 n= 835

Rishabh Gupta
May 20, 2014

the first conditon says p(i)=i for 1<=i<=n,so the polynomial could be

p(x) = x + ((1-x)(2-x)(3-x)----------(i-x)--------(n-x)/c)

                              or

p(x) = x + ((x-1)(x-2)----------(x-i)-------(x-n)/c)

where c is a constant ( sign to be determined later)

because polynomial gets the value 'i' when we put x=i as the term containing (i-x) becomes zero

now by second condition,

p(-1) = -1 + ((1-(-1))(2-(-1))--------(n-(-1))/c) =1671 eqn (1)

so,by eqn (1)

1.2.3.4.-------n.(n+!)/c =1672

c = (n+1)!/1672 eqn (2)
thus for 1st polynomial c is a +ve constant ( as RHS is +ve )

where as for second polynomial it could be -ve or +ve acc. to ((-1)^n)c now from given 3rd condition

p(0) = 0 + ((1-0)(2-0)-------(n-0)/c) = m where m is an integer

m = n!/c

but c = (n+1)!/1672 from eqn (2)

thus, m = n!/((n+1)!/1672)

          m  =  n!.1672/(n+1)!

          m  =  1672/(n+1)

But m is an integer so (n+1) must be the divisor of 1672

also 1672 = 8.11.19

as the degree os polynomial is dependent on the value of n and will be max when n is max thus maximum value for (n+1) is 4.11.19 (biggest divisor of 1672 which is < 1000)

n+1 = 836

n = 835

thus largest possible degree of the polynomial with given conditions is 835

Calvin Lin Staff
May 13, 2014

If p ( x ) p(x) is a polynomial of degree n n satisfying all of the conditions, then the polynomial q ( x ) = p ( x ) x q(x) = p(x) -x is a polynomial of degree n \le n and q ( x ) q(x) has roots at every integer i i with 1 i n 1 \le i \le n . Thus, q ( x ) = c ( x 1 ) ( x 2 ) ( x n ) q(x) = c(x-1)(x-2) \cdots (x-n) for some constant c c . To find c c , note that since p ( 1 ) = 1671 p(-1) = 1671 , we get 1671 = p ( 1 ) = q ( 1 ) + ( 1 ) = c ( 1 ) n ( n + 1 ) ! 1 , 1671 = p(-1) = q(-1) + (-1) = c(-1)^n(n+1)! - 1, so c = 1672 ( 1 ) n ( n + 1 ) ! . c = \frac{1672}{(-1)^n(n+1)!} . Now since p ( 0 ) p(0) is an integer, the value p ( 0 ) = q ( 0 ) = c ( 1 ) n n ! = 1672 n + 1 p(0) = q(0) = c(-1)^n n! = \frac{1672}{n+1} must be an integer. Hence, n + 1 n+1 must be a divisor of 1672. Since 1672 = 2 × 836 1672 = 2 \times 836 , the largest possible value of n + 1 1001 n+1 \leq 1001 which is a divisor of 1672 is 836. Therefore, the degree we are looking for is n = n = 835.

Devansh Shringi
Jan 22, 2015

I actually found it rather simple for Level 5 From given P(x)=x+z(x-1)(x-2).................(x-n) where z is some constant Because p(x)-x has its roots 123........n For p(0) to be integer z×n! Must be an integer Also. P(-1)=-1+z×(n+1)!
When n is even which it should be for p(-1) to be positive Therefore z×(n+1)!=1672

Let z×n!=k where kis an integer Z=k/n!

So k(n+1)=1672 So for n<1000 n= 835. k=2

Priyatam Roy
Jan 19, 2015

First take, A ( x ) = p ( x ) x A(x)=p(x)-x .Further,for every integer i i satisfying 1 i n 1 \leq i \leq n ,we see that A ( x ) A(x) vanishes i.e. A ( x ) = 0 A(x)=0 which implies that A ( x ) = k ( x 1 ) ( x 2 ) ( x 3 ) ( x n ) A(x) =k(x-1)(x-2)(x-3)…(x-n) .

Then we are given that p ( 1 ) = 1671 p(-1)=1671 .Then, If both those the above conditions are satisfied,then putting 1 1 in the above derived equation, k ( 2 ) ( 3 ) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ( 1 n ) 1 = 1672 k(-2)(-3)...............(-1-n)-1=1672 . k ( 1 ) n ( n + 1 ) = 1672 k(-1)^n (n+1)=1672 .

But then comes the third condition,whereby putting 0 0 in the equation, we see that k ( 1 ) ( 2 ) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ( n ) + 0 Z k(-1)(-2).................(-n)+0 \in \mathbb{Z} (let's say c c ).Then k ( 1 ) n n ! = c k(-1)^n n!= c .

Note further that ( n + 1 ) 1672 (n+1)|1672 .Checking out with its divisors of 1672 ,we see that,the maximum value satisfying the upper limit n 1000 n\leq 1000 is n 835 n \leq 835 . So the maximum possible degree of n n is 835 835 .Further, A ( x ) = 2 ( x 1 ) ( x 2 ) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ( x 835 ) n ! A(x) = \frac{-2(x-1)(x-2)..............(x-835)}{n!} being a solution also verifies our assumptions.

Thus we conclude that n=835 \fbox{ n=835 }

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