The boat

A boat of length 2.5 m 2.5\text{ m} and weight 100 kg 100\text{ kg} is standing still in the water. Tim weighs 70 kg 70\text{ kg} and is inside the boat. If he walks from the stern to the prow of the boat, then by how much distance (in meters) will the boat move?


Details and Assumptions:

  • Water resistance and tilt of the boat are negligible.
  • Give your answer to 3 decimal places.


The answer is 1.029.

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6 solutions

Peter Macgregor
Oct 10, 2017

My solution is based on two observations -

Firstly note that the total external force acting on the man-boat system (bouyancy and gravity) is zero, and so there is no acceleration. So the combined system remains at rest. In other words the centre of gravity of the system is stationary.

Secondly note that the total turning moment about the centre of gravity is zero. (otherwise the boat would spin!)

Now suppose that the boat is pointing to the right while the man walks from the back to the front of the boat.

With respect to the stationary centre of gravity the boat moves a distance x x to the left, and the man moves a distance of 2.5 x 2.5-x to the right.

The movement of the boat to the left increases the anti-clockwise moment by 100 x 100x while the repositioning of the man increases the clockwise moment by 70 ( 2.5 x ) 70(2.5-x) .

Since the total moment must remain zero, we have

100 x = 70 ( 2.5 x ) 100x=70(2.5-x)

which is easily solved to give

x = 1.029 \boxed{x=1.029}

Clarification.

When the system is in equilibrium the buoyancy force passes through the centre of gravity of the boat, and so does not contribute to the moments in my solution!

Why adding both ones masses because we are calculating momentum of boat inly not both then why

Janesh G - 3 years, 8 months ago

170 x = 175 x = 175 5 35 170 34 5 = 35 34 1.029 \displaystyle 170x = 175 \rightarrow x = \frac { \cancel { 175 } ^ { 35 } _ { 5 } } { \cancel { 170 } ^ { 5 } _ { 34 } } = \frac { 35 } { 34 } \ne 1.029 . It can only be an approximation .

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You are really insistent. But this is no exact math problem.

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Relevant wiki: Conservation of Momentum

Let x T x_T be Tim's position and x B x_B the position of the stern. We choose coordinates so that initially x T = x B = 0 x_T = x_B = 0 .

There are no external horizontal forces on the system, so the center of mass x = ( m T x T + m B x B ) / ( m T + m B ) x = (m_Tx_T + m_Bx_B)/(m_T + m_B) remains constant, i.e. at all times m T x T + m B x B = 0. m_Tx_T + m_Bx_B = 0. When Tim reaches the prow, he is a distance of L = 2.5 m L = \SI{2.5}{m} from the stern of the boat; i.e. x T x B = L . x_T - x_B = L. To eliminate x T x_T , multiply the bottom equation by m T m_T and subtract the two equations: ( m B + m T ) x B = m T L . (m_B + m_T)x_B = -m_TL. Thus the distance over which the boat moves is x B = m T m B + m T L = 70 100 + 70 2.5 = 1.029 m . |x_B| = \frac{m_T}{m_B + m_T}L = \frac{70}{100+70}\cdot 2.5=\boxed{1.029}\ \text{m}.

It's nice how choosing the coordinates nicely simplifies the math.

Agnishom Chattopadhyay - 3 years, 8 months ago

Why adding both ones masses because we are calculating momentum of boat inly not both then why

Janesh G - 3 years, 8 months ago

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Momentum is only conserved in a system on which no external forces are acting. Since Tim pushes back on the boat, the boat's momentum changes in an unpredictable way. But if we include Tim and the boat in the system, this becomes an internal force. Thus the momentum of Tim plus boat is conserved; that was my starting point.

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 3 years, 8 months ago

7 17 × 2.5 1.029 \displaystyle \frac { 7 } { 17 } \times 2.5 \ne 1.029 . It can be an only approximation .

. . - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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In physics we always work with approximations only. Using the convention of significant figures, it would actually be more correct to write

70 100 + 70 2.5 = 1.0 m . \frac{70}{100+70}\cdot 2.5 = 1.0\ \text{m}.

There is no reason to treat this as an exact mathematical problem. An answer like 1 1 34 1 \frac{1}{34} is actually unhelpful because it suggest infinite precision, which you never have with measured values.

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Chew-Seong Cheong
Oct 13, 2017

Considering the conservation of momentum, we have:

m T i m v T i m = ( m b o a t + m T i m ) v b o a t where m = mass and v = velocity. 70 v T i m = ( 100 + 70 ) v b o a t v b o a t = 7 17 v T i m If Tim takes t s to walk from the stern to prow. v b o a t t = 7 17 v T i m t s b o a t = 7 17 s T i m where s = displacement. = 7 17 × 2.5 1.029 m \begin{aligned} m_{Tim} v_{Tim} & = \left(m_{boat}+m_{Tim}\right)v_{boat} & \small \color{#3D99F6} \text{where } m = \text{mass and } v= \text{velocity.} \\ 70 v_{Tim} & = \left(100+70\right)v_{boat} \\ \implies v_{boat} & = \frac 7{17} v_{Tim} & \small \color{#3D99F6} \text{If Tim takes }t \text{ s to walk from the stern to prow.} \\ v_{boat} t & = \frac 7{17} v_{Tim} t \\ s_{boat} & = \frac 7{17} s_{Tim} & \small \color{#3D99F6} \text{where }s = \text{displacement.} \\ & = \frac 7{17} \times 2.5 \\ & \approx \boxed{1.029} \text{ m} \end{aligned}

Hey, 7 17 × 2.5 \displaystyle \frac { 7 } { 17 } \times 2.5 is not equal to 1.029 metres. It is an approximation .

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You are really insistent. But this is no exact math problem.

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Thanks, I have amended the answer.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Dave Keene
Oct 12, 2017

The boat and man represent a closed system and therefore conservation of energy applies.

The work done in moving the man in one direction must be balanced by the boat moving in the opposite direction. "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction" Work(j) = Mass(kg) × Distance(m)

Arbitrarily choosing one end of the boat as a reference point and assuming the boat shifts x metres relative to the ground, the man must travel 2.5-x (over the ground) to reach the other end.

And so to conserve energy (mass x distance moved) these two things must balance.

100.x - 70 (2.5-x) = 0

(100+70).x = 70 × 2.5

X = 175/170

35 34 1.029 \displaystyle \frac { 35 } { 34 } \ne 1.029 . It is only can be an approximation .

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You are really insistent. But this is no exact math problem.

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Marius Poliac
Oct 12, 2017

If point A is the center of mass of the boat, B the center of mass of the person, and C the center of mass of the boat with the person sitting at one end of the boat, then, when the person moves to the other end of the boat, the boat has to move a distance equal with 2AC in order to keep C from moving. Since AC/1.25 = 70/170, 2AC = 7*2.5/17 = 17.5/17 = 1.029.

@Marius Poliac 35 2 ÷ 17 1.029 \displaystyle \frac { 35 } { 2 } \div 17 \ne 1.029 . It is an approximation .

. . - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Mike Perry
Oct 13, 2017

The boat’s center of mass (100 kg) is at the origin, and the man’s center of mass (70 kg) is 1.25 m away. The combined system center of mass is therefore (70/170)(1.25) m from the origin. If the man stands at the other end, the system COM is the same distance from the origin, but on the other side. The distance between these points is (70/170)(1.25)(2)= 1.029 m. Since the system COM can’t move without a net external force acting on it, the boat must move this amount.

7 17 × 2.5 1.029 \displaystyle \frac { 7 } { 17 } \times 2.5 \ne 1.029 . It is only an approximation .

. . - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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