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Algebra Level 3

One day, Jack and Jill was bored. Jill then asked Jack a question: "Hey Jack, see if you can figure the answer, I've got two real POSITIVE values and their properties are:

     1. Their sum is equal to their product.

     2. Their sum is equal to their squares' difference.

Can you help Jack find the answer? From the information given, take the floor function of each value and add the results together.

Clarification: Floor Function : x \left \lfloor{x}\right \rfloor = the largest integer that is smaller or equal to x x . For example, 3.25 = 3 \left \lfloor{3.25}\right \rfloor = 3 and 2.99999999 = 2 \left \lfloor{2.99999999}\right \rfloor = 2


The answer is 3.

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1 solution

Let x and y be the two distinct real POSITIVE values

(Eqn 1) x + y = x y x+y=xy

(Eqn 2) x + y = x 2 y 2 x+y=x^2-y^2

x + y = x 2 y 2 x+y=x^2-y^2 x + y = ( x + y ) ( x y ) x+y=\left(x+y\right)\left(x-y\right) 1 = x y 1=x-y (Eqn 3) y = x 1 y=x-1

Substitute y from Eqn3 in Eqn1 x + ( x 1 ) = x ( x 1 ) x+\left(x-1\right)=x\left(x-1\right) 2 x 1 = x 2 x 2x-1=x^2-x x 2 3 x + 1 = 0 x^2-3x+1=0

By quadratic formula x = ( 3 ) ± ( 3 ) 2 4 ( 1 ) ( 1 ) 2 ( 1 ) x=\frac{-(-3)\pm \sqrt{{(-3)}^2-4\left(1\right)(1)}}{2\left(1\right)} x = 3 ± 5 2 x=\frac{3\pm \sqrt{5}}{2}

x 2.618 x\approx 2.618

x 0.3819 x\approx 0.3819 (Extraneous solution because it is paired to a negative value of y.)

Substitute x in Eqn3 y 2.618 1 y\approx 2.618-1 y 1.618 y\approx 1.618

y 0.3819 1 y\approx 0.3819-1 y 0.6181 y\approx -0.6181 (Extraneous solution because we need only positive values)

Taking the floor function of each value.

x = 2.618 = 2 \left\lfloor x\right\rfloor =\left\lfloor 2.618\right\rfloor =2 and y = 1.618 = 1 \left\lfloor y\right\rfloor =\left\lfloor 1.618\right\rfloor =1

Adding the result

x + y = 2 + 1 = 3 \left\lfloor x\right\rfloor +\left\lfloor y\right\rfloor =2+1=3

now i know what floor function is.

Marvin De Luna - 7 years, 2 months ago

its even called step function...or greatest integer function...

Aaditya Khare - 7 years, 1 month ago

another real lengthy question...

Aaditya Khare - 7 years, 1 month ago

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