Tricky Radicals

Algebra Level 2

3 + 2 2 3 2 2 = ? \Large{ \sqrt{3+2\sqrt2} - \sqrt{3-2\sqrt2} = \ ?}


The answer is 2.

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9 solutions

Michael Fuller
Sep 24, 2015

Let x = 3 + 2 2 3 2 2 x=\sqrt { 3+2\sqrt { 2 } } -\sqrt { 3-2\sqrt { 2 } } . Then we have

x 2 = ( 3 + 2 2 3 2 2 ) 2 = 3 + 2 2 + 3 2 2 2 3 + 2 2 3 2 2 = 6 2 ( 3 + 2 2 ) ( 3 2 2 ) { x }^{ 2 }={ \left( \sqrt { 3+2\sqrt { 2 } } -\sqrt { 3-2\sqrt { 2 } } \right) }^{ 2 }\\ =3+2\sqrt { 2 } +3-2\sqrt { 2 } -2\sqrt { 3+2\sqrt { 2 } } \sqrt { 3-2\sqrt { 2 } } \\ =6-2\sqrt { \left( 3+2\sqrt { 2 } \right) \left( 3-2\sqrt { 2 } \right) }

Notice the difference of two squares within the root: x 2 = 6 2 9 8 = 4 { x }^{ 2 }=6-2\sqrt { 9-8 } =4

So we have x = ± 2 x=\pm 2 . We can disregard 2 -2 because 3 + 2 2 > 3 2 2 \sqrt { 3+2\sqrt { 2 } } >\sqrt { 3-2\sqrt { 2 } } so it is clear that our answer will be positive.

x = 2 x=\large \color{#20A900}{\boxed{2}}

I solved this in paper this exact way 2 times, incuding the plus/minus part. How I noticed that detail and still went from x^2=4 to x=4 both times is beyond me...The second time I even filled a whole damn A4 page to find my mistake...What is wrong with me? Y am I so stupid and keep doing these simple mistakes in math? Oh, the grades they cost me...

Nick Zafiridis - 5 years, 6 months ago

Beautiful solution

Akeel Howell - 5 years ago
Rohit Udaiwal
Sep 24, 2015

3 + 2 2 = ( 2 + 1 ) 2 3+2\sqrt{2}=(\sqrt{2}+1)^{2} and 3 2 2 = ( 2 1 ) 2 3-2\sqrt{2}=(\sqrt{2}-1)^{2} Now on to the problem: ( 2 + 1 ) 2 ( 2 1 ) 2 = 2 + 1 ( 2 1 ) = 2 \sqrt {(\sqrt{2}+1)^{2}}-\sqrt {(\sqrt{2}-1)^2}\\ =\sqrt {2}+1-(\sqrt{2}-1)\\=\boxed {2}

Don't you think ( 2 1 ) 2 = ( 1 2 ) 2 ({\sqrt2 - 1})^2 = ({1 - \sqrt2})^2 ? The answer could be 2 2 2\sqrt2 too...

Vishal Yadav - 5 years, 7 months ago

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You'd have a negative under the root, if you did that.

Martin Brause - 3 years, 5 months ago

why is every1 ignoring what you say? It has me confused.. EDIT: I understand now! The definition of that square root symbol states the result must be a positive number. 1-sqrt(2) is negative, so it can't be equal to sqrt((1-sqrt(2))^2). It's like saying sqrt(4)=±2. This must be included in the solution for it to be complete though. Also y the other solution is actually preferable, as it needs no such explanation.

Nick Zafiridis - 5 years, 6 months ago

yes crt lv u

krishnas singh - 5 years ago

I didnt understand the first step! Can explain it with some more additional steps!

Rishabh Vira - 5 years, 7 months ago

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( 2 + 1 ) 2 = ( 2 + 1 ) ( 2 + 1 ) = (\sqrt2+1)^{2}=(\sqrt2+1) (\sqrt2+1)=

Distributive rule of the product:

= 2 × 2 + 1 × 2 + 2 × 1 + 1 × 1 = 2 2 + 2 2 + 1 =\sqrt2\times\sqrt2+1\times\sqrt2+\sqrt2\times1+1\times1=\sqrt2^2+2\sqrt2+1

2 2 = 2 \sqrt2^2=2 (squareroot it's inverse of square)

Wich gives you 3 + 2 2 3+2\sqrt2

Manuel Menezes - 5 years, 6 months ago

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ok thanks !!

Rishabh Vira - 5 years, 6 months ago
Aaaaa Bbbbb
Sep 24, 2015

We power the given expression by 2 to get: ( 3 + 2 2 3 2 2 ) 2 = 4 (\sqrt{3+2\sqrt{2}}-\sqrt{3-2\sqrt{2}})^{2}=4 So we get the result: R = 2 R=\boxed{2}

Wisnu Ops
Mar 20, 2017

This problem would be much easier if we understand this pattern:

( a + b ) 2 = a + b + 2 a b (\sqrt{a}+\sqrt{b})^2 = a + b + 2\sqrt{ab}

Therefore, we have:

a + b + 2 a b = a + b \sqrt{a + b + 2\sqrt{ab}} = \sqrt{a}+\sqrt{b}

Now, can you see that:

3 + 2 2 = 2 + 1 \sqrt{3+2\sqrt{2}} = \sqrt{2} + \sqrt{1}

and

3 2 2 = 2 1 \sqrt{3-2\sqrt{2}} = \sqrt{2} - \sqrt{1} *

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Once we see that, it's easy to calculate:

3 + 2 2 3 2 2 = ( 2 + 1 ) ( 2 1 ) \sqrt{3+2\sqrt{2}} - \sqrt{3-2\sqrt{2}} = (\sqrt{2} + \sqrt{1}) - (\sqrt{2} - \sqrt{1})

= 2 1 = 2\sqrt{1} = 2 = \fbox{2}

*) The 2 \sqrt{2} must be in the front because the result of the square root must be possitive

Nguyen Tran
Feb 1, 2017

If x 1 x_{1} , x 2 x_{2} are 2 real roots of the quadratic equation x 2 a x + b 2 c 4 ( a , b , c > 0 ) x^{2}-ax+\frac{b^{2}c}{4} \left(a,b,c>0\right) then we have a ± b c = ( x 1 ± x 2 ) 2 a\pm b\sqrt{c}=\left(\sqrt{x_{1}}\pm \sqrt{x_{2}}\right)^{2}

David Stephens
Mar 24, 2018

Try this on your calculator: √(3+2×√2)−√(3−2×√2)

Lilach Ayali
Jan 11, 2018

Let a=3, b=2√2 then we are looking for √(a+b)-√(a-b)=x

a+b-2√(a^2-b^2 )+a-b=x^2

2a-2√(a^2-b^2 )=x^2

2(a-√(a^2-b^2))=x^2

Now substitute a and b to get:

2(3-√(9-8))=x^2

4=x^2

x=2 (since x must be positive)

Tony Pipitone
Oct 9, 2017

2 times square root of 2 = 2 So square root of 5 minus square root of 1 Equals square root of 4 Equals 2

Vishal Dixit
Apr 8, 2017

Let a = √(3+2√2) and b = √(3-2√2) We observe that ab=1; Also a + b=6 (√a+ √b)( √a- √b) = a – b ………(1) a – b = √(〖(a+b)〗^2-4ab)=4√2 ……(2) (√a+ √b)2 = a + b + 2√ab
=8 …….(3)

From 1 , 2, 3 √a- √b = 2

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