The length of the square

Geometry Level 4

Point E E in square A B C D ABCD is such that C E = 3 CE=3 , A E = 4 AE=4 , and D E = 5 DE = 5 . Find the side length of square A B C D ABCD . Round your answer to four decimal places.


The answer is 6.0715.

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4 solutions

Zhiqian Chen
Aug 8, 2020

Rotate triangle ACE 90 degrees clockwise to get triangle DCE',connect the EE' and AD,extended AE intersects DE' at F.We can get the following information:

  • The triangle CEE' is an isosceles right triangle.So EE' is going to be equal to 3 2 3\sqrt{2} .

  • D E = A E = 4 DE'=AE=4 .

  • A E D E AE\perp DE' (AE rotates 90 degrees through the triangle ACE to become DE', so they're perpendicular.).

The first solution:Crazy use of the Pythagorean theorem

Let's focus on the triangle DEE'.Let's say FD is x x ,so:

E E 2 E F 2 = D E 2 D F 2 {EE'}^2-{E'F}^2={DE}^2-{DF}^2

18 ( 4 x ) 2 = 25 x 2 18-(4-x)^2=25-x^2

x = 23 8 x=\frac{23}{8}

So DF is equal to 23 8 \frac{23}{8} , and then we get EF is equal to D E 2 D F 2 \sqrt{{DE}^2-{DF}^2} ,which is 1071 8 \frac{\sqrt{1071}}{8} .

So we can figure out that AD is equal to A F 2 + D F 2 \sqrt{{AF}^2+{DF}^2} , which is 2624 + 64 1071 64 \sqrt{\frac{2624+64\sqrt{1071}}{64}} (This number looks terrible).

And we also know that the sum of the squares of the two sides of the square is equal to the square of the diagonal, so the length of the sides of the square is equal to 1 2 \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} of the diagonal,which is A B = 1 2 A D AB=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}AD .

So the side length is

2624 + 64 1071 128 6.0715 \sqrt{\frac{2624+64\sqrt{1071}}{128}}\approx\boxed{6.0715}

The second solution:Cosine formulas

Cosine formula:

c 2 = a 2 + b 2 2 a b cos C c^2=a^2+b^2-2ab\cos C

C = cos 1 ( a 2 + b 2 c 2 2 a b ) C=\cos^{-1}(\frac{a^2+b^2-c^2}{2ab})

In triangle DEE', we get the degree of Angle DE'E by using the second formula:

D E E = cos 1 ( 2 × 3 2 + 4 2 5 2 2 × 3 2 × 4 ) 74.62 3 \angle DEE'=\cos^{-1}(\frac{2\times3^2+4^2-5^2}{2\times3\sqrt{2}\times4})\approx74.623^{\circ}

And because the triangle CEE' is a right-angled isosceles triangle, the angle CE'E is equal to 45 degrees, so the angle CE'D is approximately equal to 119.623 degrees.

And then you apply the first formula:

C D 2 = 3 2 + 4 2 2 × 3 × 4 × cos ( 119.62 3 ) {CD}^2=3^2+4^2-2\times3\times4\times\cos(119.623^{\circ})

So you compute this, and you get:

C D = A B 6.0715 CD=AB\approx\boxed{6.0715}

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If triangle CEE' is an isosceles right triangle, then CE is a section of the disgonal CB. Now if you put any point on the diagonal CB ( in this case point E ) lengths AE and DE are supposed to be congruent. In your case AE =4 and DE = 5 which they're not congruent.

Robert Bommarito - 10 months, 1 week ago

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If triangle CEE' is an isosceles right triangle, then CE is a section of the disgonal CB.

I think that's wrong.

Zhiqian Chen - 10 months, 1 week ago

Let the side length of square A B C D ABCD be a a , Let the coordinates be C ( 0 , 0 ) C(0,0) , A ( 0 , a ) A(0,a) , D ( a , 0 ) D(a,0) , and E ( x , y ) E(x,y) . By Pythagorean theorem , we have:

{ C E : x 2 + y 2 = 9 . . . ( 1 ) A E : x 2 + ( y a ) 2 = 16 . . . ( 2 ) D E : ( x a ) 2 + y 2 = 25 . . . ( 3 ) \begin{cases} CE: & x^2 + y^2 = 9 & ...(1) \\ AE: & x^2 + (y-a)^2 = 16 & ...(2) \\ DE: & (x-a)^2 + y^2 = 25 & ...(3) \end{cases}

From ( 2 ) ( 1 ) : a 2 2 a y = 7 y = a 2 7 2 a (2)-(1): \ a^2 - 2ay = 7 \implies y = \dfrac {a^2-7}{2a} . Similarly, from ( 3 ) ( 1 ) : x = a 2 16 2 a (3)-(1): \ \implies x = \dfrac {a^2 - 16}{2a} . As ( 1 ) : x 2 + y 2 = 9 (1): \ x^2 + y^2 = 9 , we have:

( a 2 7 2 a ) 2 + ( a 2 16 2 a ) 2 = 9 2 a 4 46 a 2 + 305 = 36 a 2 2 a 4 82 a 2 + 305 = 0 \begin{aligned} \left(\frac {a^2 - 7}{2a} \right)^2 + \left(\frac {a^2 - 16}{2a} \right)^2 & = 9 \\ 2a^4 - 46 a^2 + 305 & = 36a^2 \\ 2a^4 - 82a^2 + 305 & = 0 \end{aligned}

a 2 = 82 + 8 2 2 4 ( 2 ) ( 305 ) 4 a = 41 + 3 119 2 6.0715 \begin{aligned} \implies a^2 & = \frac {82+\sqrt{82^2-4(2)(305)}}4 \\ \implies a & = \sqrt{\frac {41+3\sqrt{119}}2} \approx \boxed{6.0715} \end{aligned}

Wow, your idea is much simpler than mine!

Zhiqian Chen - 10 months, 1 week ago

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Yes, glad that you like it.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 10 months, 1 week ago

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Yes I like it very much! I used to search for a long time to find my solution, but it is not as concise as your solution!

Zhiqian Chen - 10 months, 1 week ago

I love your problem solving

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Glad that you like it. Upvote the my solution if you have not.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 10 months ago
David Vreken
Aug 8, 2020

Let x = A C = C D x = AC = CD , θ = A C E \theta = \angle ACE , and y = cos θ y = \cos \theta .

By the law of cosines on A C E \triangle ACE , 4 2 = 3 2 + x 2 2 3 x cos θ = 9 + x 2 6 x y 4^2 = 3^2 + x^2 - 2 \cdot 3 \cdot x \cdot \cos \theta = 9 + x^2 - 6xy , which rearranges to 36 x 2 y 2 = x 4 14 x 2 + 49 36x^2y^2 = x^4 - 14x^2 + 49 .

By the law of cosines on E C D \triangle ECD , 5 2 = 3 2 + x 2 2 3 x cos ( 90 ° θ ) = 9 + x 2 6 x sin θ = 9 + x 2 6 x 1 cos 2 θ = 9 + x 2 6 x 1 y 2 5^2 = 3^2 + x^2 - 2 \cdot 3 \cdot x \cdot \cos (90° - \theta) = 9 + x^2 - 6x \sin \theta = 9 + x^2 - 6x \sqrt{1 - \cos^2 \theta} = 9 + x^2 - 6x \sqrt{1 - y^2} , which rearranges to 36 x 2 y 2 = x 4 + 68 x 2 256 36x^2y^2 = -x^4 + 68x^2 - 256 .

Therefore, 36 x 2 y 2 = x 4 14 x 2 + 49 = x 4 + 68 x 2 256 36x^2y^2 = x^4 - 14x^2 + 49 = -x^4 + 68x^2 - 256 , so 2 x 4 82 x 2 + 305 = 0 2x^4 - 82x^2 + 305 = 0 , which solves to x = 41 + 3 119 2 6.0715 x = \sqrt{\frac{41 + 3\sqrt{119}}{2}} \approx \boxed{6.0715} for x > 0 x > 0 .

Vinod Kumar
Nov 14, 2020

Let z be size of square and write the following three relations:

(1). x^2+y^2=3^2

(2). x^2+(z-y)^2=4^2

(3). y^2+(z-x)^2=5^2

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Answer z~=6.0715

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