Computing Nested Roots

Algebra Level 5

It is known that 3 5 37 3 16 = a 3 b 3 c , 3\cdot \sqrt{5\cdot\sqrt[3]{37}-16} = \sqrt[3]{a} - \sqrt[3]{b} - c,

where a , b a, b and c c are positive integers. What is the value of a + b + c ? a+b+c ?


The answer is 1667.

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1 solution

Jeffrey Robles
Feb 9, 2014

It is important to note that a a and b b might have a perfect cube factor and that the expressions a 3 \sqrt[3]{a} and b 3 \sqrt[3]{b} need not necessarily be in simplest form. For convenience, let a = m 3 M a=m^3M and b = n 3 N b=n^3N where m m and n n are positive integers, and M M and N N are positive integers with no perfect cube factors . Then,

3 5 37 3 16 = m M 3 n N 3 c \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad 3 \cdot \sqrt{5 \sqrt[3]{37}-16}=m\sqrt[3]{M}-n\sqrt[3]{N}-c

Squaring both sides of the equation above yields:

45 37 3 144 = m 2 M 2 3 + n 2 N 2 3 + c 2 2 m n M N 3 2 m c M 3 + 2 n c N 3 \quad \qquad 45\sqrt[3]{37}-144=m^2M^{\frac{2}{3}}+n^2N^{\frac{2}{3}}+c^2-2mn\sqrt[3]{MN}-2mc\sqrt[3]{M}+2nc\sqrt[3]{N}

Since the radicand in the LHS is 37 37 , then M M and N N are expressions having one of their factor(s) as 3 7 x 37^x where x x is either 1 1 or 2 2 . If M = k 1 3 7 x M=k_1\cdot37^x and/or N = k 2 3 7 x N=k_2\cdot37^x (where k i k_i is a positive integer), then the expression M 2 3 M^{\frac{2}{3}} and N 2 3 N^{\frac{2}{3}} will not have 37 37 alone as the radicand unless the term k i 2 k_i^2 is a perfect cube which is a contradiction to our assumption that M M and N N have no perfect cube factors. Therefore, M M and N N are powers of 37 37 . M M and N N cannot be both equal to 37 37 or both 3 7 2 37^2 ; else we will have a term with radical 3 7 2 3 3 \sqrt[3]{37^{\frac{2}{3}}} which can never be found in the LHS. Therefore, one is 37 37 and the other one is 3 7 2 37^2 . Clearly, the only expression in the RHS that can cancel out the 3 7 2 3 3 \sqrt[3]{37^{\frac{2}{3}}} term is 2 m c M 3 -2mc\sqrt[3]{M} . Thus, M = 3 7 2 M=37^2 and N = 37 N=37 .

The left-hand side (LHS) of the last equation contains a term free of radicals ( 144 -144 ). Hence, one or more quantities in the right-hand side (RHS) must also be free of radicals. At a glimpse, we note the c 2 c^2 is one of such terms. But then again, c 2 c^2 cannot be equal to 144 -144 as we have assumed it initially to be a positive integer. Therefore, there is another term among the other five in the RHS that results to an integer. But which is which? Taking a closer look, we can infer that the first, second, fifth, and sixth are all radical expressions as M M and N N aren't perfect cube integers which leaves us the term 2 m n M N 3 = 74 m n -2mn\sqrt[3]{MN}=-74mn as the other integer.

Summing all these conclusions, and comparing the nature of terms in LHS and RHS of the equation above and solving for the unknown variables m , n m,n and c c , we have:

integer term: 144 = 74 m n + c 2 37 3 : 45 = 37 m 2 + 2 n c 3 7 2 3 3 : 0 = n 2 2 m c \quad -144=-74mn+c^2 \\ \sqrt[3]{37}: \qquad 45=37m^2+2nc \\ \sqrt[3]{37^{\frac{2}{3}}}: \qquad 0=n^2-2mc

Substituting the expression of c c from the third equation to the other two and then rewriting the resulting equations:

37 m 3 + n 3 = 45 m 296 m 3 n n 4 = 576 m 2 37m^3+n^3=45m \\ 296m^3n-n^4=576m^2

Multiplying the first of the two by n n and then adding this to the second one, and finally rewriting this in favor of a constant term gives:

m ( 333 m 576 n ) = 45 m(333m-\frac{576}{n})=45

Substituting to m m factors of 45 45 and then finding the value of n n , we then get a single pair ( m , n ) (m,n) such that both m m and n n are positive integers: m = 1 , n = 2 m=1,n=2 . Thus, c = 2 c=2 .

Therefore, a = 1 3 3 7 2 = 3 7 2 b = 2 3 37 = 8 37 a=1^3 \cdot 37^2=37^2\\ b=2^3 \cdot 37=8\cdot37

and * a + b + c = 1667 a+b+c=\boxed{1667} *

Was a really tough question for me.

Satvik Golechha - 7 years, 3 months ago

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Indeed. The hard part of this question is finding the form of the answer. If it has a nice form as given in the question, then the fact that it has the from A 37 3 + B 3 7 2 3 + C A\sqrt[3]{37} + B \sqrt[3]{37^2} + C follows from arguments similar to the first paragraph.

Another approach to the second paragraph is based on the observation that if x = 37 3 x = \sqrt[3]{37} , then x 3 37 = 0 x^3 - 37 = 0 , and (after some algebraic manipulation) 9 ( 5 x 16 ) = ( x 2 2 x 2 ) 2 9 (5x-16) = (x^2 - 2x - 2)^2 , which gives us the result.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 3 months ago

Phew! this question was soooo tough.......anyway brilliant solution

Shikhar Jaiswal - 7 years, 3 months ago

It was of much calculation, but brilliant

Kanishk Singh - 7 years, 3 months ago

really tough problem and nice solution

Mardokay Mosazghi - 6 years, 4 months ago

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