The Missing Triangle Height

Geometry Level 5

Two of the heights of a triangle are 63 63 and 147 147 . Given that the third height is also an integer, what is the maximum possible value for the third height?


The answer is 110.

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17 solutions

Aldrian Obaja
May 20, 2014

Suppose a , b , c a, b, c denote the three sides of the triangle, and let t a = 63 , t b = 147 , t c t_a=63, t_b=147, t_c be the respective three heights. From the equality of the area of the triangle, we have 63 a = 147 b = t c c 63\cdot a = 147\cdot b = t_c\cdot c . By rearranging we have a b = 7 3 \frac{a}{b} = \frac{7}{3} and so denote a = 7 n , b = 3 n a=7n, b=3n for a real number n n .

By triangle inequality we have b + c > a c > 4 n b+c>a \Rightarrow c>4n . Thus, from the initial equation we have t c = 147 b c = 441 n c < 110.25 t_c = \frac{147\cdot b}{c} = \frac{441\cdot n}{c} < 110.25 . Since t c t_c is an integer, t c 110 t_c\leq 110 and this is achievable by setting n = 110 , c = 441 n=110, c=441 . So the maximum value for the third height is 110 110

Just because you can show that t c < 110.25 t_c < 110.25 doesn't mean that t c = 110 t_c = 110 can be achieved. When it comes to extrema problems, you have to show that it can indeed be achieved.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years ago

Let A be the area of the triangle and x the third height. Third height can be the largest, but on working out this is not possible. So 147 must be the largest. So, for practical triangle, side A/63 is the largest. Implies A/63< A/x +A/147.
So 1/63 -1/147 < 1/x . Therefore x<(63*147)(147-63)=110.25. So x=110.

Niranjan Khanderia - 5 years, 4 months ago
Lawrence Sun
May 20, 2014

Let the side length of the triangle corresponding to the altitude of length 63 63 be a a and b b for 147 147 . Note that 63 a = 147 b 63a = 147b so 3 a = 7 b 3a = 7b . Let s s be the last side length. Note that by the triangle inequality we have s 4 b 3 s \ge \frac{4b}{3} . This implies the third altitude can have length at most 3 4 147 = 110.25 \frac{3}{4} \cdot 147 = 110.25 . Thus if it is an integer we have its length is at most 110 110 . It is clear that this is obtainable as the triangle inequality is not violated in this case, so we are done.

Mursalin Habib
Dec 15, 2013

Let's called the missing height, h h like the picture below.

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Now we need "the maximum possible value for the third height". This should tell you that the last height, h h can't be just any number. In fact it is not bigger than a certain number. This should make you think about the triangle inequality . Let's keep that in mind and proceed.

Using the formula of the area of a triangle, we can write:

1 2 × a × 63 = 1 2 × b × 147 = 1 2 × c × h \frac{1}{2}\times a \times 63= \frac{1}{2}\times b \times 147=\frac{1}{2}\times c \times h .

Or, 63 a = 147 b = c h 63a=147b=ch ( 1 ) \cdots (1) .

Notice from ( 1 ) (1) that in order to maximize h h , we'll have to minimize c c .

And from the relation a = 147 63 b a=\frac{147}{63} b , it is clear that a > b a>b .

Now let's use the triangle inequality.

We have, b + c a b+c \geq a .

After putting a = 147 63 b a=\frac{147}{63} b and rearranging, we have c 4 3 b c \geq \frac{4}{3} b ( 2 ) \cdots (2) .

Now let's go back to ( 1 ) (1) and consider this:

147 b = c h 147b=ch .

Here, we can make a substitution from ( 2 ) (2) to get:

147 b 4 3 × b h 147b\leq \frac{4}{3}\times bh .

After cancelling out the b b 's and rearranging we have:

h 147 × 3 4 h\leq \frac{147\times 3}{4} or 110.25 110.25 .

So the maximum value that h h could have is 110.25 110.25 [and in that case we'll have a degenerate triangle A B C ABC , a triangle with zero area].

Finally notice that the problem states that h h has to be an integer. What is the largest integer that is less than or equal to 110.25 110.25 ?

110 \boxed{110} and that is our answer.

How do you know that a triangle with heights 63, 147, 110 must exist?

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 4 months ago
Kristian Mamforte
May 20, 2014

Let p p be the measure of the side perpendicular to the height measuring 63. Note that in any triangle with sides measuring a 1 , a 2 a_1, a_2 and a 3 a_3 with corresponding heights measuring h 1 , h 2 , h 3 h_1, h_2, h_3 , the product a i × h i a_i \times h_i is constant for i = 1 , 2 , 3 i = 1, 2, 3 since these are all equal to twice the area of the triangle. Hence, the measure of the side corresponding to height measuring 147 is 3 p 7 \frac {3p}{7} . Hence by triangle inequality, the third side is between p 3 p 7 = 4 p 7 p - \frac {3p}{7} = \frac {4p}{7} and p + 3 p 7 = 10 p 7 p + \frac {3p}{7} = \frac {10p} {7} exclusive. Hence the measure of the third side is between 63 p × 7 3 p = 44.1 63p \times \frac {7}{3p} = 44.1 and 63 p × 7 10 p = 110.25 63p \times \frac {7}{10p} = 110.25 , exclusive. Hence maximum integer measure for the third side is 110.

The following proof comes closest to being a complete solution. However, it is still missing a very important step. What was left out?

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years ago
Ahaan Rungta
May 20, 2014

Lemma : If two altitudes of a triangle have lengths a 1 a_1 and a 2 a_2 , then, if a 1 < a 2 a_1 < a_2 , length of the remaining altitude a 3 a_3 is in the range 1 1 a 1 1 a 2 < a 3 < 1 1 a 1 1 a 2 . \dfrac {1}{\dfrac {1}{a_1} - \dfrac {1}{a_2}} < a_3 < \dfrac {1}{\dfrac {1}{a_1} - \dfrac {1}{a_2}}. Proof : For k { 1 , 2 , 3 } k \in \{ 1, 2, 3 \} , consider the following. If we drop the altitude a k a_k and we say that it makes a right angle with side s k s_k , then, from the triangle inequality, we have: s 1 + s 2 > s 3 , s 2 + s 3 > s 1 s_1 + s_2 > s_3, \qquad s_2 + s_3 > s_1 So: s 1 s 2 < s 3 < s 1 + s 2 s_1 - s_2 < s_3 < s_1 + s_2 Also, since a k s k = 2 A a_k\cdot s_k=2A , where A A is the area of the triangle, we have: s k = 2 A a k . s_k = \dfrac {2A}{a_k}. Thus, we have, from substitution: 2 A a 1 2 A a 2 < 2 A a 3 < 2 A a 1 + 2 A a 2 . \dfrac {2A}{a_1} - \dfrac {2A}{a_2} < \dfrac {2A}{a_3} < \dfrac {2A}{a_1} + \dfrac {2A}{a_2}. Dividing each side by 2 A 2A and reciprocating, we have our desired result. \blacksquare

Using the lemma for a 1 = 63 a_1=63 and a 2 = 147 a_2=147 , we take the upper bound and substitute to get a 3 < 110.25. a_3 < 110.25. Thus, the largest possible integer value is 110 \fbox {110} .

Pebrudal Zanu
Dec 18, 2013

Suppose that side triangle are a , b , c a, b, c

and altitude of triangle are t a , t b , t c t_a, t_b,t_c

From area of triangle L L we have:

a = 2 L t a a=\frac{2L}{t_a}

b = 2 L t b b=\frac{2L}{t_b}

c = 2 L t c c=\frac{2L}{t_c}

From triangle inequality:

a + b > c > a b a+b >c >a-b

So, we get:

1 1 t a + 1 t b < c < 1 1 t a 1 t b \frac{1}{\frac{1}{t_a}+\frac{1}{t_b}}<c<\frac{1}{\frac{1}{t_a}-\frac{1}{t_b}}

for integer c c maximum is

Max c = t a × t b t a t b = 110 c=\lfloor\frac{t_a \times t_b}{t_a-t_b} \rfloor=110

Oh, I am sorry, max t c t_c not c c

pebrudal zanu - 7 years, 5 months ago
Tahmid Hasan
May 20, 2014

Let a = B C , b = C A , c = A B a=BC,b=CA,c=AB and h a , h b , h c h_a,h_b,h_c denote the height of altitudes dropped from A , B , C A,B,C respectively. Let h a = 63 , h b = 147 h_a=63,h_b=147 . We have to find the maximum value of h c h_c . Now a h a = b h b 63 a = 147 b b = 3 a 7 ah_a=bh_b \Rightarrow 63a=147b \Rightarrow b=\frac{3a}{7} Applying cosine law we get c 2 = a 2 + b 2 2. a . b . cos C c^2=a^2+b^2-2.a.b.\cos C c = a 7 58 42 cos C \Rightarrow c=\frac{a}{7}\sqrt{58-42\cos C} . Now c h c = 63 a h c = 441 58 42 cos C ch_c=63a \Rightarrow h_c=\frac{441}{\sqrt{58-42\cos C}} . Since A B C \triangle ABC is non-degenrate (because it has positive altitude lenghs), we have cos C < 1 42 cos C > 42 \cos C<1 \Rightarrow -42\cos C>-42 58 42 cos C > 4 \Rightarrow \sqrt{58-42\cos C}>4 441 58 42 cos C < 441 4 \Rightarrow \frac{441}{\sqrt{58-42\cos C}}<\frac{441}{4} h c < 110 + 1 4 \Rightarrow h_c<110+\frac 14 . So the maximun possible integer value of h c h_c is 110 110 .

Kee Wei Lee
May 20, 2014

Consider the triangle to have sides a , b , c a,b,c with them being the bases for heights 63, 147 and h h respectively. So as the triangle is the same the area is the same, therefore, ( 1 / 2 ) 63 a = ( 1 / 2 ) 147 b = ( 1 / 2 ) h c (1/2)63 a=(1/2)147 b=(1/2)hc , or

63 a = 147 b = h c 63a=147b=hc

From 63 a = 147 b 63a=147b We note that b : a = 3 : 7 b:a=3:7 So, let b = 3 u , a = 7 u b=3u, a=7u

This implies that 441 u = h c 441u=hc or h = 441 × u c h=441\times\frac {u}{c}

Now by triangle in equality we can get; a + b > c , c + a > b , c + b > a a+b>c, c+a>b, c+b>a or

21 u > c , c > 4 u , c > 4 u 21u>c, c>-4u, c>4u

Hence

4 u < c < 21 u 4u<c<21u

4 < c u < 21 4<\frac{c}{u}<21

Therefore

1 21 < u c < 1 4 \frac{1}{21}<\frac{u}{c}<\frac{1}{4}

Hence,

441 × 1 21 < 441 × u c < 441 × 1 4 441\times\frac{1}{21}<441\times\frac{u}{c}<441\times\frac{1}{4}

21 < 441 × u c < 110.25 21<441\times\frac{u}{c}<110.25

21 < h < 110.25 21<h<110.25

Hence the maximum h h value is 110 110

Nishok Srinivasan
May 20, 2014

If two altitudes of a triangle a and b are known, we can calculate the range of values for the third altitude c using the following inequation:

1/(1/a+1/b)< c< 1/(1/a-1/b) where a is the smaller altitude.

1/(1/63+1/147) = 44.1

1/(1/63-1/147) = 110.25

So the largest integer in that range is 110.

Vishwa Iyer
May 20, 2014

If two altitudes of a triangle a and b are known, we can calculate the range of values for the third altitude c using the following equation:

1/(1/a+1/b)≤c≤1/(1/a-1/b) where a is the smaller altitude.

1/(1/63+1/147) = 44.1

1/(1/63-1/147) = 110.25

So the largest integer in that range is 110

Michael Ma
May 20, 2014

Let the sides of the triangle be a, b, and c such that the heights 63 and 147 are facing the sides a and b. So we calculate the area of the triangle in 2 ways to get that 63a/2=147b/2 which reduces to 3a=7b. So we can let a=7k and b=3k. Then c>4k. Now let the last height be h. Then since 63a/2=ch/2 we reduce this to 441>4h. So since h is an integer the maximum value for h is 110.

Vincent Zhuang
May 20, 2014

Let the area of the triangle be A A and the third height be h h . Since we want to maximize this third height, clearly the side perpendicular to the height of length 63 is the longest. Thus, we have the inequality A h + A 147 > A 63 \frac{A}{h}+\frac{A}{147}>\frac{A}{63} . Multiplying through gives 441 A + 3 h A > 7 h A 441 > 4 h 441A+3hA>7hA \Longrightarrow 441>4h . Since h h is integral, its maximum value is 110 110 .

Jonathan Yu
May 20, 2014

Let the side lengths of the triangle be a a , b b , and c c such that their corresponding heights are 63 63 , 147 147 , and h h , respectively. We want to maximize h h . We have that 63 a = 147 b = h c 63a = 147b = hc since all three are equal to twice the area of the triangle.

By the Triangle Inequality, we must have b + c > a b + c > a . We write c c and a a in terms of b b : c = 147 b h c = \frac{147b}{h} and a = 147 b 63 a = \frac{147b}{63} . Therefore, we must have b + 147 b h > 147 b 63 b + \frac{147b}{h} > \frac{147b}{63} . We can divide both sides by b b to obtain 1 + 147 h > 147 63 1 + \frac{147}{h} > \frac{147}{63} . This simplifies to 147 + h h > 147 63 \frac{147+h}{h} > \frac{147}{63} . Cross multiplying, we obtain 147 h < 63 h + 147 63 147h < 63h + 147 \cdot 63 , or 84 h < 147 63 84h < 147 \cdot 63 . We can divide both sides by 21 21 to get 4 h < 147 3 = 441 4h < 147 \cdot 3 = 441 . Because h h is an integer, its maximum possible value is 110 110 .

Iskandar Setiadi
May 20, 2014

First, let us denote 3 sides of the triangle as a,b,c.

a 147 2 = b 63 2 \frac {a * 147}{2} = \frac {b * 63}{2}

a b = 63 147 = 3 7 \frac {a}{b} = \frac {63}{147} = \frac{3}{7}

a = 3 7 b a = \frac{3}{7} b

We need to show that a + b + c 2 m a x ( a , b , c ) \frac {a+b+c}{2} \geq max(a, b, c)

We need the smallest size of c, because height and c are inversely proportional ( Area = h e i g h t c 2 \frac{height * c}{2} ). Since b a b \geq a and we want to maximize our height, thus b c b \geq c and hence m a x ( a , b , c ) = b max(a,b,c) = b .

c h e i g h t 2 = b 63 2 \frac {c * height}{2} = \frac {b * 63}{2}

c = b 63 h e i g h t c = \frac {b * 63}{height}

3 7 b + b + c 2 b \frac {\frac{3}{7} b+b+c}{2} \geq b

10 7 b + b 63 h e i g h t 2 b \frac{10}{7} b+ \frac {b * 63}{height} \geq 2b

7 4 63 h e i g h t \frac{7}{4} * 63 \geq height

110.25 h e i g h t 110.25 \geq height , Hence the maximum integer height is 110.

Ryoma Canastra
May 20, 2014

Let the missing height be h h , and let the lengths of the sides containing the feet of the altitudes 63 63 , 147 147 , and h h be a a , b b , and c c , respectively. Then A r e a = 63 a 2 = 147 b 2 = h c 2 Area = \frac{63a}{2} = \frac{147b}{2} = \frac{hc}{2} , so b a = 63 147 = 3 7 \frac{b}{a}=\frac{63}{147}=\frac{3}{7} . Now, let a = 7 x a=7x and b = 3 x b=3x so that c > a b = 7 x 3 x = 4 x c > a-b = 7x-3x=4x by the triangle inequality. Applying this inequality and plugging in a = 7 x a=7x after solving for h h in the earlier equation gives h = 63 a c < 63 ( 7 x ) 4 x = 110.25 h = \frac{63a}{c} < \frac{63(7x)}{4x}=110.25 , so h = 110 h=110 is the maximum integer value of h h .

Jason Shi
May 20, 2014

Let $h$ be the third height, then since the area is the same using any height you calculate from, we have $$63a=147b=hc$$ where $a, b, c$, are the side lengths to the respective sides of the altitudes. Now let us try to express the side lengths in terms of the altitudes. We try to make each expression equal to a multiple of all the altitudes. Any multiple of that also suffices so let $$a=7hk, b=3hk, c=441k$$ Now by the triangle inequality: $$3hk+441k>7hk\implies k<441/4$$ So the greatest possible integer value of $k$ is $\boxed{110}$. We quickly check that this satisfies the triangle inequality: $$3hk+7hk>441k \implies 1100>441$$ so we are sure of our answer.

Tunk-Fey Ariawan
Feb 8, 2014

To find the possible sides of triangle, we simply add the two known sides together to get the highest value possible and subtract the two sides to get the lowest value possible. If a \,a , b \,b , and c \,c are the length sides of Δ ABC \Delta \text{ABC} where a \,a and b \,b are known, then for a > b \,a>b the possible value of c \,c is a b < c < a + b . a-b<c<a+b. Let t a \,t_a , t b \,t_b , and t c \,t_c be the length height of Δ ABC \Delta \text{ABC} . Since the base or side of triangle is inversely proportional to its height, then the possible value of t c \,t_c if t a \,t_a and t b \,t_b are known is 1 t a + 1 t b < 1 t c < 1 t b 1 t a . \frac{1}{t_a}+\frac{1}{t_b}<\frac{1}{t_c}<\frac{1}{t_b}-\frac{1}{t_a}. Thus, the maximum possible value for the third height are 1 t c < 1 t b 1 t a = 1 147 1 63 = 4 441 \frac{1}{t_c}<\frac{1}{t_b}-\frac{1}{t_a}=\frac{1}{147}-\frac{1}{63}=\frac{4}{441} for t c Z \,t_c \in \mathbb{Z} , it is equal to 110 \;\boxed{110} . # Q . E . D . # \text{\# }\mathbb{Q}.\mathbb{E}.\mathbb{D}.\text{\#}

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