The Tiny Triangle

Geometry Level 5

Regular dodecahedron A B C D E F G H I J K L ABCDEFGHIJKL with side length 1 1 is drawn. Segments A F AF , B G BG , and C H CH are then drawn.

The area of the tiny little triangle formed from the intersections of these segments can be expressed as a b c \dfrac{\sqrt{a}-b}{c} for positive integers a , b , c a,b,c . Find the value of a + b + c a+b+c .


The answer is 171.

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5 solutions

Daniel Liu
Jun 19, 2014

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Refer to the diagram.

To find [ M N O ] [MNO] , I will try to find the area of other shapes and subtract them from each other to get M N O MNO . In this case, I notice: [ M N O ] = [ N G F ] [ O M G F ] [MNO]=[NGF]-[OMGF]

Extending G F GF and C H CH to meet at P P :

[ O M G F ] = [ O F P ] [ P G M ] [OMGF]=[OFP]-[PGM]

Thus [ M N O ] = [ N G F ] [ O F P ] + [ P G M ] [MNO]=[NGF]-[OFP]+[PGM]

We see that: [ N G F ] = 1 2 ( 1 ) ( 3 ) = 3 2 [NGF]=\dfrac{1}{2}\cdot(1)\cdot (\sqrt{3})=\dfrac{\sqrt{3}}{2}

F P = 1 + 1 2 3 2 = 1 + 3 FP=1+\dfrac{1}{2}\cdot\sqrt{3}\cdot 2=1+\sqrt{3}

O F 1 + 3 3 = 1 + 3 3 \therefore OF \dfrac{1+\sqrt{3}}{\sqrt{3}}=1+\dfrac{\sqrt{3}}{3}

[ O F P ] = 1 2 ( 1 + 3 ) ( 1 + 3 3 ) = 2 3 3 + 1 \therefore [OFP]=\dfrac{1}{2}(1+\sqrt{3})\left(1+\dfrac{\sqrt{3}}{3}\right)=\dfrac{2\sqrt{3}}{3}+1

P G = 3 [ P G M ] = 3 3 4 PG=\sqrt{3}\implies [PGM]=\dfrac{3\sqrt{3}}{4}

Thus [ M N O ] = 3 2 ( 2 3 3 + 1 ) + 3 3 4 = 7 3 12 12 = 147 12 12 [MNO]=\dfrac{\sqrt{3}}{2}-\left(\dfrac{2\sqrt{3}}{3}+1\right)+\dfrac{3\sqrt{3}}{4}=\dfrac{7\sqrt{3}-12}{12}=\dfrac{\sqrt{147}-12}{12}

and so our answer is 147 + 12 + 12 = 171 147+12+12=\boxed{171}

how did you get FN as 3^(1/2)

Adarsh Kumar - 6 years, 11 months ago

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G F N \triangle GFN is a 30 60 90 30-60-90 triangle and since G F = 1 GF=1 then F N = 3 FN=\sqrt{3} .

Daniel Liu - 6 years, 11 months ago

!!!.....The answer is correct ( I am talking about a + b + c a+b+c ), but you have typed the value of the area of the 'tiny triangle' WRONG!....There is + '+' in the solution, but I should be '-' .....Right?

Debjit Mandal - 6 years, 11 months ago

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@Daniel Liu Minor typo. Note that in your final line, it should be a - .

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 11 months ago

Okay, fixed. Thanks.

Daniel Liu - 6 years, 11 months ago
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Jun 20, 2014

M N = O N O M = ( 2 3 ) MN=ON-OM=(2-\sqrt{3}) M N 2 = 2 3 2 \frac{MN}{2}=\frac{2-\sqrt{3}}{2} O S = M N 2 t a n ( 3 0 0 ) = M N 2 × 1 3 OS=\frac{MN}{2}tan(30^{0})=\frac{MN}{2} \times \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}} [ M N O ] = M N O S 2 = 1 2 × M N ( M N / 2 ) × ( 1 / 3 ) [MNO]=\frac{MN*OS}{2}=\frac{1}{2} \times MN(MN/2) \times (1/ \sqrt{3}) = M N 2 4 3 = 7 4 3 4 3 =\frac{MN^2}{4\sqrt{3}}=\frac{7-4\sqrt{3}}{4\sqrt{3}} [ M N O ] = 7 3 12 12 = 49 3 12 12 [MNO]=\frac{7\sqrt{3}-12}{12}=\frac{\sqrt{49*3}-12}{12} ( a + b + c ) = 171 (a+b+c)=\boxed{171}

I always like to solve most of your problems by the hard way :D, this time I used analytic geometry and complex numbers. Rotate the dodecahedron 30 ° 30° to the left, with the objective to make that D D and J J be in the x-axis. Now, we know that the side length is 1 1 , so the radius, with a little of trigonometry, will be r = 2 cos ( 15 ° ) r=2\cos(15°) . Notice that the vertices of the figure, in the Argand diagram are: V = 2 cos ( 15 ° ) × c i s ( 30 ° k ) V=2\cos(15°) \times cis(30°k) from k = 0 k=0 to 11 11 .

So, F = 2 cos ( 15 ° ) × c i s ( 60 ° ) F=2\cos(15°) \times cis(60°) , G = 2 cos ( 15 ° ) × c i s ( 90 ° ) G=2\cos(15°) \times cis(90°) , H = 2 cos ( 15 ° ) × c i s ( 120 ° ) H=2\cos(15°) \times cis(120°) , A = 2 cos ( 15 ° ) × c i s ( 270 ° ) A=2\cos(15°) \times cis(270°) , B = 2 cos ( 15 ° ) × c i s ( 300 ° ) B=2\cos(15°) \times cis(300°) and C = 2 cos ( 15 ° ) × c i s ( 330 ° ) C=2\cos(15°) \times cis(330°)

In the cartesian plane, they are: F = ( 6 + 2 4 , 6 + 3 2 4 ) F=\left(\dfrac{\sqrt{6}+\sqrt{2}}{4},\dfrac{\sqrt{6}+3\sqrt{2}}{4}\right) G = ( 0 , 6 + 2 2 ) G=\left(0,\dfrac{\sqrt{6}+\sqrt{2}}{2}\right) H = ( 6 + 2 4 , 6 + 3 2 4 ) H=\left(-\dfrac{\sqrt{6}+\sqrt{2}}{4},\dfrac{\sqrt{6}+3\sqrt{2}}{4}\right) A = ( 0 , 6 + 2 2 ) A=\left(0,-\dfrac{\sqrt{6}+\sqrt{2}}{2}\right) B = ( 6 + 2 4 , 6 + 3 2 4 ) B=\left(\dfrac{\sqrt{6}+\sqrt{2}}{4},-\dfrac{\sqrt{6}+3\sqrt{2}}{4}\right) C = ( 6 + 3 2 4 , 6 + 2 4 ) C=\left(\dfrac{\sqrt{6}+3\sqrt{2}}{4},-\dfrac{\sqrt{6}+\sqrt{2}}{4}\right)

Let's find the equation of the line that passes through: A F y = ( 2 + 3 ) x 6 + 2 2 \overline{AF} \Rightarrow y=(2+\sqrt{3})x-\dfrac{\sqrt{6}+\sqrt{2}}{2} B G y = ( 2 + 3 ) x + 6 + 2 2 \overline{BG} \Rightarrow y=-(2+\sqrt{3})x+\dfrac{\sqrt{6}+\sqrt{2}}{2} C H y = x + 2 2 \overline{CH} \Rightarrow y=-x+\dfrac{\sqrt{2}}{2}

Their intersection points are the vertices of the triangle, and they are: O = ( 6 2 2 , 0 ) O=\left(\dfrac{\sqrt{6}-\sqrt{2}}{2},0\right) N = ( 6 + 3 2 12 , 3 2 6 12 ) N=\left(\dfrac{\sqrt{6}+3\sqrt{2}}{12},\dfrac{3\sqrt{2}-\sqrt{6}}{12}\right) M = ( 3 2 6 4 , 6 2 4 ) M=\left(\dfrac{3\sqrt{2}-\sqrt{6}}{4},\dfrac{\sqrt{6}-\sqrt{2}}{4}\right)

And finally, find the area of the triangle using determinants: A T = 7 3 12 12 A_T=\dfrac{7\sqrt{3}-12}{12}

Hence, a = 147 a=147 , b = 12 b=12 , c = 12 c=12 and a + b + c = 171 a+b+c=\boxed{171}

In a previous problem involving a square and a small triangle, people realized coordinate bashing was easy. However, in this problem, coordinate bashing is clearly not the easiest way! However, it still works, as shown by you :P

Daniel Liu - 6 years, 11 months ago
Chew-Seong Cheong
Jun 23, 2014

It can be shown that A B G = 9 0 \angle ABG=90^{ \circ} and F A B = 6 0 \angle FAB= 60^{\circ} , therefore, the tiny M N O \triangle MNO is a 3 0 12 0 3 0 30^{\circ }-120^{ \circ}-30^{\circ } isosceles triangle. If M N = d |MN|=d then the height of the tiny M N O \triangle MNO is d 2 t a n 3 0 \frac{d}{2}tan30^{\circ} and its area is given by:

A = 1 2 d ( d 2 t a n 3 0 ) = d 2 4 3 A=\frac{1}{2}d(\frac{d}{2}tan30^{\circ})=\frac {d^{2}}{4\sqrt{3}}

To get d d , we use B G B N M G = M N = d |BG|-|BN|-|MG|=|MN|=d . From A B N \triangle ABN ( 3 0 6 0 9 0 30^{\circ }-60^{ \circ}-90^{\circ } ), we find that B N = 3 |BN|=\sqrt{3} ; similarly, M G = 3 |MG|=\sqrt{3} .

Let the center of the dodecahedron be O O' , then O A B \triangle O'AB is a 7 5 ( 3 0 ( 7 5 75^{\circ}-(30^{\circ}-(75^{\circ} isosceles triangle. If B G = H |BG|=H , then:

H 2 = 1 2 t a n 7 5 H = t a n 7 5 = 2 + 3 \frac{H}{2}=\frac{1}{2}tan75^{\circ}\Rightarrow H=tan75^{\circ}=2+\sqrt{3}

d = B G B N M G = H 2 3 = 2 + 3 2 3 = 2 3 \Rightarrow d = |BG|-|BN|-|MG| = H - 2\sqrt{3} = 2+\sqrt{3}-2\sqrt{3} = 2-\sqrt{3}

A = d 2 4 3 = ( 2 3 ) 2 4 3 = 7 4 3 4 3 = 7 3 12 12 = 147 12 12 \Rightarrow A=\frac {d^{2}}{4\sqrt{3}}=\frac{(2-\sqrt{3})^{2}}{4\sqrt{3}}=\frac{7-4\sqrt{3}}{4\sqrt{3}}=\frac{7\sqrt{3}-12}{12}=\frac{\sqrt{147}-12}{12}

Therefore, a = 147 a = 147 and b = c = 12 b=c=12 , and a + b + c = 171 a+b+c=\boxed{171}

Let st. line POQR through O meet CF at P, NM at Q and AH at R.
COF,.NOM,.AOH are (isosceles) SIMILAR triangles with respective altitudes ,OP, OQ, OP.
RQ = 1, RO = RQ + QO = 1 + QO...>>> QO = RO - 1....RP = RO + OP.

Ratio of area of similar triangles = square of ratio of respective sides, or altitude......ect.

This is a dodecahedron hence external angles are 30, its sides are 1.
By simple trigo we find out the base lengths, PQ, and PR, as under.
CF = 1+sqrt(3).....AH = 2+sqrt(3)....PQ = sqrt(3)/2....RP = 1+sqrt(3)/2 =(1/2)(2+sqrt(3))

By ratios of similar triangles and ratio rules we find altitudes OR and OQ.
RO/AH=OP/CF=(RO+OP)/(AH+CF)=RP/(AH+CF)...>RO=AH RP/(AH+CF).
RO =( 2+sqrt(3))
(1/2)(2+sqrt(3))./.( 2 + sqrt(3) + 1 + sqrt(3) )
RO=(1/2) ( (2+sqrt(3)) )^2./.( 3+2 sqrt(3) ) ...................................................(1)
..... = 1 + 1/(2* ( 3+2 sqrt(3) ) = 1 + QO......QO = (1/2)/( 3+2 sqrt(3) ).....(2)

Areas NOM./.AOH = ( QO./.RO )^2 = ( (2)/( 1) ) ^2 = 1./.( (2+sqrt(3)) )^4
Areas AOH = (1/2)AH RO =(1/2) * ( 2+sqrt(3 ) ) * (1/2) * ( (2+sqrt(3)) )^2./.( 3+2 sqrt(3) ) )
..= (1/4) * ( 2 + sqrt(3 ) )^3./..( 3+2 sqrt(3) ) )
Areas NOM = (1/4) * ( 2+sqrt(3) )^3./..( 3+2
sqrt(3) ) ) * 1./.( (2+sqrt(3))^4
..= (1/4)./.( ( 2+sqrt(3) ) * ( 3+2 * sqrt(3)) ) = (- 12 + 7 * sqrt(3))/12 =
= (- 12+7 * sqrt(3) )./.12
= (- 12+sqrt(147) )./.12 = ( - b + sqrt(a) ) / c...>>>a+b+c= 171.

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