The Wrecked Rectangle

Geometry Level 4

A mathematician has a rectangle of length 5, width 4. His physicist friend phones him up with a problem involving this rectangle, but the sides have been scaled down by a factor of 10 \sqrt { 10 } . The physicist asks the mathematician to determine the area of the rectangle, for her to use in her calculations.

The mathematician does the calculation, but decides to test the physicist and gives his answer in the form:

x y x y x y x . . . . \sqrt { x\sqrt { y\sqrt { x\sqrt { y\sqrt { x\sqrt { y\sqrt { x... } } } } } } }.

where x x and y y are positive integers.

What is the sum of all possible values of x and y that the mathematician could have given to the physicist?


The answer is 13.

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4 solutions

Ben Farrar
Aug 13, 2014

In order to scale it down, the lengths must be divided by 10 \sqrt { 10 } (or the area divided by 10).

This gives: 5 10 × 4 10 = 2 \frac { 5 }{ \sqrt { 10 } } \times \frac { 4 }{ \sqrt { 10 } } =2 for the area.

Therefore: 2 = x y x y x . . . 2=\sqrt { x\sqrt { y\sqrt { x\sqrt { y\sqrt { x... } } } } }

Notice the embedded equation and this can be reduced to the form:

2 = x y ( 2 ) 2=\sqrt { x\sqrt { y(2) } }

4 = x 2 y 4=x\sqrt { 2y }

4 x = 2 y \frac { 4 }{ x } =\sqrt { 2y }

16 x 2 = 2 y \frac { 16 }{ { x }^{ 2 } } =2y

x 2 y = 8 { x }^{ 2 }y=8

From this it can be worked out that the only values for x and y are 1,8,2 & 2 and therefore the answer is 13 [The factors of 8 are 1,2,4 & 8. With 1 and 4 both being square numbers these both fit into the form x 2 y = 8 { x }^{ 2 }y=8 ] =)

The real question is: how did the physicist manage to figure out the second question if he couldn't figure out the first?

I also edited the wording because the original wording didn't make sense in the second part (where the physicist gave two answers). This is because the mathematician, not the physicist, is the one who gives two possible questions; after giving one of the two questions, the physicist can only give the one answer back.

Daniel Liu - 6 years, 10 months ago

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Thanks for that :) the simplification makes it much better! I think I sort of rushed the ending after having done the work for the first bit.

Ben Farrar - 6 years, 10 months ago

Thats good

Siva Prasad - 6 years, 10 months ago

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You like the problem? :D

Ben Farrar - 6 years, 10 months ago

I think the set of all possible values for x and y is {1, 2, 8} so the total should be 11. Not sure I like the end wording of the problem.

Adam Buck - 6 years, 9 months ago
Danny He
Aug 15, 2014

The area is 5 ( 10 ) 4 ( 10 ) = 2 \frac{5}{\sqrt(10)} * \frac{4}{\sqrt(10)} = 2

Let the expression be denoted by z z , therefore we have that:

z = 2 z = 2

z 2 = x y z = x 2 y = 4 \Rightarrow z^2 = x\sqrt{yz} = x\sqrt{2y} = 4

2 x 2 y = 16 \Rightarrow 2x^2y = 16

x 2 y = 8 = 2 x 2 y \Rightarrow x^2y = 8 = 2x\sqrt{2y}

x 2 y 2 x 2 y = 0 x ( x y 2 2 y ) = 0 x^2y-2x\sqrt{2y} = 0 \Rightarrow x\left(xy - 2\sqrt{2y}\right) = 0

x 0 x y 2 2 y = 0 x \neq 0 \Rightarrow xy - 2\sqrt{2y} = 0

x y = 2 2 y x 2 y 2 = 8 y xy = 2\sqrt{2y} \Rightarrow x^2y^2 = 8y

x 2 y 2 8 y = 0 y ( x 2 y 8 ) = 0 x^2y^2 - 8y = 0 \Rightarrow y\left(x^2y-8\right) = 0

y 0 x 2 y = 8 , { x , y } Z + y \neq 0 \Rightarrow x^2y = 8, \{x,y\} \subset \mathbb{Z^+}

Therefore x 2 x^2 must be a square factor of 8 8 so x 2 = 1 , 4 x^2 = 1, 4

x 2 = 1 x = 1 , y = 8 x^2 = 1 \Rightarrow x=1, y=8

x 2 = 4 x = 2 , y = 2 x^2 = 4 \Rightarrow x=2, y=2

1 + 8 + 2 + 2 = 13 1+8+2+2 = 13

Gautam Sharma
Aug 17, 2014

real crazy mathematician

Aren't the best mathematicians crazy ;)

Ben Farrar - 6 years, 10 months ago
Lu Chee Ket
Aug 16, 2014

Let r ( ) be square root:

Let z = [4/ r (10)] x [5/ r (10)] = 2;

(z^2/ x)^2/ y = z

=> z^3 = x^2 y

=> 8 = x^2 y

(x, y) = (1, 8) or (2, 2) only.

Check by substitution:

r (r (8 r (r (8 r (r (8 r (1))))))) = 1.978+ and

r (2 r (2 r (2 r (2 r (2 r (2 r (2))))))) = 1.978+

Answer = 1 + 8 + 2 + 2 = 13.

Crazy mathematician however.

Lu Chee Ket - 6 years, 10 months ago

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