Too complex to be possibly real

Algebra Level 3

The complex numbers p p and q q satisfy p 3 = 5 + i 2 p^3=5+i\sqrt{2} and q 3 = 5 i 2 q^3=5-i\sqrt{2} .

Find the only possible integer value of p + q p+q .


The answer is -2.

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Note that p 3 q 3 = 25 + 2 = 27 ( p q ) 3 = 27 p^{3}q^{3} = 25 + 2 = 27 \Longrightarrow (pq)^{3} = 27 ,

which has p q = 3 pq = 3 as a real solution. (There are two complex solutions as well. These will be dealt with in footnote **).

Next, note that p 3 + q 3 = 10 p^{3} + q^{3} = 10 , and that

( p + q ) 3 = p 3 + q 3 + 3 p q ( p + q ) = 10 + 9 ( p + q ) (p + q)^{3} = p^{3} + q^{3} + 3pq(p + q) = 10 + 9(p + q) .

Now by observation, p + q = 2 p + q = -2 is a solution to this equation, and so

( p + q ) 3 9 ( p + q ) 10 = ( ( p + q ) + 2 ) ( ( p + q ) 2 2 ( p + q ) 5 ) = 0. (p + q)^{3} - 9(p + q) - 10 = ((p + q) + 2)((p + q)^{2} - 2(p + q) - 5) = 0.

The other two roots are non-integral, (namely 1 ± 6 1 \pm \sqrt{6} ), so the only possible integer value of p + q p + q is 2 \boxed{-2} .


Note: Now, to be complete, we need to look at where the complex solutions for p q pq lead us with regards to values for p + q p + q . We have the equation

( p q ) 3 27 = 0 ( p q 3 ) ( ( p q ) 2 + 3 p q + 9 ) = 0 (pq)^{3} - 27 = 0 \Longrightarrow (pq - 3)((pq)^{2} + 3pq + 9) = 0 ,

which besides p q = 3 pq = 3 has solutions p q = 3 2 ± i 3 3 2 . pq = -\dfrac{3}{2} \pm i*\dfrac{3\sqrt{3}}{2}.

This results in the equations

( p + q ) 3 + 9 2 ( 1 ± i 3 ) ( p + q ) 10 = 0. (p + q)^{3} + \dfrac{9}{2}(-1 \pm i*\sqrt{3})(p + q) - 10 = 0.

Given that there are complex coefficients involved here, if p + q p + q were any real value (other than 0 0 ) then there would be a non-zero complex component on the LHS of this equation but no complex component on the RHS. If p + q p + q were 0 0 then the LHS would come out to 10 -10 , thus p + q 0. p + q \ne 0. Thus with p q pq complex we would obtain only complex values for p + q p + q as a result, and thus p q = 3 pq = 3 is the only value that can, (and does), yield an integral value for p + q . p + q.

Note that you should still work out the complex p q pq case for completeness.

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 4 months ago

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Darn, I thought I could get away with it.

O.k., done. The footnote is longer than my original solution. :P

Brian Charlesworth - 6 years, 4 months ago

You got p+q = -2 by solving the cubic ? I tried by trial and error. with -tive integers since + could be seen not to be the solution. I learned from way you found the other roots. Thanks.

Niranjan Khanderia - 6 years, 4 months ago

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Yes, for higher order polynomials I usually try a few integer values, (positive and negative), first just to see if there is a "nice" solution prior to using numerical methods. So trial and error does sometimes work, particularly when we know that we are looking for an integer solution.

Brian Charlesworth - 6 years, 4 months ago

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Nice solution Brian!

Héctor Andrés Parra Vega - 5 years, 10 months ago

You could try trial and error after a while of experience with this stuff, nevertheless, there is a useful tool called the rational root test which can tell you what are the integral roots if they actually exist.

Héctor Andrés Parra Vega - 5 years, 10 months ago
Martin Falk
Feb 20, 2015

First, we find that p 3 q 3 = 25 + 2 = 27 = ( p q ) 3 p^3 q^3 = 25+2= 27 = (pq)^3 , which gives p q = 3 pq=3 , and that p 3 + q 3 = 10 p^3+q^3=10 .

Now, the following is a simple identity:

( p + q ) 3 = p 3 + q 3 + 3 p q ( p + q ) (p+q)^3 = p^3 + q^3 + 3pq(p+q) .

Substituting what we know yields:

( p + q ) 3 = 10 + 9 ( p + q ) (p+q)^3=10+9(p+q) .

This is in fact a cubic equation of p + q p+q . To simplify notation, let's define u = p + q u=p+q and rewrite the equation:

u 3 9 u 10 = 0 u^3-9u-10=0 .

By the rational root theorem, we know that the only integer solutions possible are the factors of 10 10 , which are ± 1 , ± 2 , ± 5 , ± 10 \pm 1, \pm 2, \pm 5, \pm 10 .

A manual check shows that u = 2 u=-2 is the only integer solution.

Thus, p + q = 2 \boxed{p+q=-2} .

Ivan Koswara
Feb 11, 2015

Let p = r 1 cis θ 1 p = r_1 \text{ cis } \theta_1 and q = r 2 cis θ 2 q = r_2 \text{ cis } \theta_2 where r 1 , r 2 R 0 + r_1, r_2 \in \mathbb{R}^+_0 . Then r 1 3 = p 3 = 5 2 + ( 2 ) 2 = 27 r_1^3 = |p^3| = \sqrt{5^2 + (\sqrt{2})^2} = \sqrt{27} and thus r 1 = 3 r_1 = \sqrt{3} , and similarly with q 3 q^3 and r 2 r_2 .

Now note that p + q = 3 ( cis θ 1 + cis θ 2 ) p+q = \sqrt{3} (\text{cis } \theta_1 + \text{cis } \theta_2) , and the only way it is an integer is when the imaginary part is zero; that is, sin θ 1 + sin θ 2 = 0 \sin \theta_1 + \sin \theta_2 = 0 or θ 1 θ 2 ( m o d 2 π ) \theta_1 \equiv -\theta_2 \pmod{2\pi} . In other words, p , q p,q are conjugates of each other, and p + q = 2 Re ( p ) p+q = 2 \text{ Re}(p) .

Finally, observe that p = 1 + 2 i p = -1+\sqrt{2} i works by sheer luck. Thus the other two roots must be ( 1 + 2 i ) cis 2 π 3 (-1+\sqrt{2} i) \cdot \text{cis } \frac{2\pi}{3} and ( 1 + 2 i ) cis 4 π 3 (-1+\sqrt{2} i) \cdot \text{cis } \frac{4\pi}{3} , as p 1 + 2 i \frac{p}{-1+\sqrt{2} i} is a third root of unity. It can be easily shown that the other two solutions don't give a half-integer real part, thus p = 1 + 2 i p = -1+\sqrt{2}i is the only one that works, and the answer is thus p + q = 2 Re ( p ) = 2 p+q = 2 \text{ Re}(p) = \boxed{-2} .

Prabhnoor Singh
Mar 21, 2020

We are given the following :-

p 3 = 5 + i 2 . . . ( i ) p^3=5+i\sqrt{2}...(i)

q 3 = 5 i 2 . . . ( i i ) q^3=5-i\sqrt{2}...(ii)

Multiplying ( i ) (i) and ( i i ) (ii) :-

p 3 q 3 = 27 p^3q^3=27

Hence, p q = 3 pq=3

Adding ( i ) (i) and ( i i ) (ii) :-

p 3 + q 3 = 10 p^3+q^3=10

We know that p 3 + q 3 = ( p + q ) ( p 2 p q + q 2 ) = ( p + q ) ( ( p + q ) 2 3 p q ) p^3+q^3=(p+q)(p^2-pq+q^2)=(p+q)((p+q)^2-3pq)

Let p + q = t p+q=t

Hence, ( t ) ( t 2 9 ) = 10 (t)(t^2-9)=10

t 3 9 t 10 = 0 t^3-9t-10=0

From observation, t t comes out to be -2

Hence, the answer is 2 -2

Solving for p p and q q , the easiest root to compute for both are the following:

p 0 = 1 + i 2 p_{0} = -1 + i\sqrt{2}

q 0 = 1 i 2 q_{0} = -1 - i\sqrt{2}

The remaining roots can be found by multiplying the roots by the cubic roots of unity, thus giving us:

p 1 = 1 6 2 i 3 + 2 2 p_{1} = \frac{1 -\sqrt{6}}{2} - i*\frac{\sqrt{3} + \sqrt{2}}{2}

p 2 = 1 + 6 2 + i 3 2 2 p_{2} = \frac{1 + \sqrt{6}}{2} + i*\frac{\sqrt{3} - \sqrt{2}}{2}

q 1 = 1 + 6 2 i 3 2 2 q_{1} = \frac{1 + \sqrt{6}}{2} - i*\frac{\sqrt{3} - \sqrt{2}}{2}

q 2 = 1 6 2 + i 3 + 2 2 q_{2} = \frac{1 -\sqrt{6}}{2} + i*\frac{\sqrt{3} + \sqrt{2}}{2}

The only possible combination for which p + q p + q could be an integer was p 0 + q 0 = 2 p_{0} + q_{0} = -2 .

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Now, just for clarification as to how I've found the results for p 0 p_{0} and q 0 q_{0} , I simply wrote p = a + b i p = a + bi , cubed it and worked my way from there, assuming that b = 2 b = \sqrt{2} as a first guess and then I've found the other values. I'm well aware math is not a game of guessing, but if it works and you find the solution sought, it doesn't really matter, does it?

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