Three circles and a triangle

Geometry Level 4

Three circles with equal radii are centered at ( 1 , 0 ) , ( 0 , 0 ) , (1,0), (0,0), and ( 0 , 1 ) (0,1) .

To 4 decimal places, what is the smallest radius of the circles such that we can pick a point within each circle--like A, B, C in the diagram--and connect them to form an equilateral triangle?


The answer is 0.1725.

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Ahmad Saad
Mar 26, 2017

You seem to be making some assumptions about similarity / symmetry. It's not obviously clear to me that they are justified.

Calvin Lin Staff - 4 years, 2 months ago

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Ahmad Saad - 4 years, 2 months ago

can u please post a solution to this problem?

Mehdi K. - 4 years, 1 month ago

F o r m i n i m u m , Δ A B C m u s t f i t i n t h e g i v e n s y m m e t r y a b o u t y = x . w i t h a l t i t u d e A G o n y = x , s l o p o f T a n 45 , a n d s i n c e A C a n d A G a t 3 0 o i n e q u i l a t e r a l Δ A B C , s l o p o f A C i s T a n ( 45 30 ) = T a n 15. A B w i l l b e s y m m e t r i c a l l y o n t h e t o p o f A G . S o w e h a v e e q u i l a t e r a l Δ A B C w i t h A G a s a l t i t u d e . F i g . 1. P l e a s e r e f e r t o t h e F i g . s . F r o m F i g . 3 w e c a n e a s i l y o b t a i n t h e v a r i o u s a n g l e s . E A i s t h e c o m m o n r a d i u s r . C F = r . F o r m i n i m u m A C m u s t b e t a n g e n t t o c i r c l e a t ( 1 , 0 ) w i t h C a s p o i n t o f t a n g e n c y . L e t E H b e A C a n d E H C F . I n 30 60 90 Δ E A H , E H = r / 2 . r t . Δ E H C r t . Δ F C K , E H C F , r t . , a n g l e 1 5 o . E K K F = E H C F = r / 2 r = 2. E F K F = 2 + 1 2 = 3 2 . B u t E F = 1 , s o K F = 3 / 2. I n r t . Δ C K F r = 2 / 3 S i n 15 = 0.1725. For~ minimum,~\Delta~ABC~must~fit~in~the~given~symmetry~about~y=x.\\ \therefore~with~altitude~AG~on~y=x, ~slop~of~Tan45, \\ and~since~AC~and~AG~at~30^o~in~equilateral~\Delta~ABC,\\ slop~of~AC~is~Tan(45 - 30)=Tan15.\\ AB~will~be~symmetrically~on~the~top~of~AG.\\ So~we~have~equilateral~\Delta~ABC~with~ AG~as~altitude. ~Fig.1.\\ Please~ refer~ to~ the~ Fig. s. ~~From~Fig. 3~~we~can~easily~obtain the~various ~angles.\\ EA~is~the~common~radius~r.~\color{#3D99F6}{CF=r}.\\ For~minimum~AC~must~ be~tangent~to~circle~at~(1,0) ~~with~C~as~point~of~tangency.\\ Let~EH~be~\bot~AC~and~\therefore~\color{#3D99F6}{EH~||~CF}.\\ In~30-60-90~\Delta~EAH, ~~\color{#3D99F6}{EH=r/2}.\\ rt.~\Delta~EHC~\sim~rt.~\Delta~FCK,~~EH~||~CF,rt.\angle ,angle15^o.\\ \therefore~\dfrac{EK}{KF}=\dfrac{EH}{CF}=\dfrac{r/2}{r}=2.\\ \implies~\dfrac{EF}{KF}=\dfrac{2+1} 2 =\dfrac 3 2.~~But~EF=1,~so~KF=3/2.\\ In~ rt.\Delta~CKF~~r=2/3*Sin15=\huge~~\color{#D61F06}{0.1725}.

Niranjan Khanderia - 4 years, 2 months ago

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This is a quite tidy solution which you should add as a separate thread. It's also quite easy to resolve using numerical methods.

Malcolm Rich - 4 years, 2 months ago

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Numerical methods? Like you're talking about some monte carlo approach? Even still, isn't that a non-rigorous solution because you didn't prove that the answer is exactly 2 3 sin 1 5 \frac23 \sin15^\circ ?

Pi Han Goh - 4 years, 1 month ago

How is ON = O A 2 \frac {OA}{2} ?

Vishal Yadav - 4 years, 2 months ago

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<CAB = 60 deg. , CA//MO , <CAW = <MOW = 30 deg.

ON is perpendicular to AC

Tr.ONA is 30-60-90 ---> ON/OA = sin30 = 1/2

Ahmad Saad - 4 years, 2 months ago

I managed to come up with a solution with a smaller radius, 0.1645. My solution has B and C on the segment joining (1, 0) and (0, 1). In fact, B and C are the intersections of that segment and the the two circles. Here are details: A is (-R, -R), B is (R/sqrt(2), 1 - R/sqrt(2)) C is (1 - R/sqrt(2), R/sqrt(2))

Shufeng Tan - 3 years ago

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But A is not within the circle then.

Geoff Pilling - 3 years ago

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Thanks for checking this for me, Geoff. You are right, A should have been (-R/sqrt(2), -R/sqrt(2)), which gives me R = 0.1895.

Shufeng Tan - 3 years ago

All these solutions seem to hold some great wisdom that eludes me. I can see that the 75 degree angle features but ended up equating sides of the triangles which results in solving the quadratic

[2 * sqrt (6) + sqrt (2) - sqrt (14 + 8 * sqrt (3))]/6.

Easy with a calculator, unwieldy with pen and paper.

Malcolm Rich - 4 years, 2 months ago

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