Three Homogeneous Quadratics

Algebra Level 4

Given positive real values j , k j, k and l l such that j 2 + k 2 + j k = 9 k 2 + l 2 + k l = 16 l 2 + j 2 + l j = 25 , \begin{array}{l l} j^2 +k^2 + jk & = & 9 \\ k^2 + l^2 + kl & = & 16\\ l^2 + j^2 + lj & = & 25,\\ \end{array} ( j + k + l ) 2 (j + k + l)^2 has the form a + b c a + b \sqrt{c} , where a , b a, b and c c are integers and c c is not a multiple of any square number. What is a + b + c a + b + c ?


The answer is 40.

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6 solutions

Clarence Chew
May 20, 2014

Note that the cosine rule is: a 2 = b 2 + c 2 2 b c cos A a^2=b^2+c^2-2bc\text{cos} \angle A If A = 12 0 \angle A=120^\circ , we will have cos A = 1 2 \text{cos} \angle A = -\frac{1}{2} In this special case, we have a 2 = b 2 + c 2 2 b c ( 1 2 ) = b 2 + c 2 + b c a^2=b^2+c^2-2bc(-\frac{1}{2})=b^2+c^2+bc .

Consider the cartesian plan, with O O as the origin. Points A , B , C A, B, C are such that O A , O B , O C OA, OB, OC make 12 0 120^\circ between each other, and we have lengths O A = j , O B = k , O C = l OA= j, OB=k, OC=l . Referring back to the question, j 2 + k 2 + j k = 9 j^2+k^2+jk=9 refers to a triangle with sides j , k j, k , angle between them 12 0 120^\circ , with a third side of 3. Hence we have A B = 3 AB=3 . Similarily, equations k 2 + l 2 + k l = 16 k^2+l^2+kl=16 and l 2 + j 2 + l j = 25 l^2+j^2+lj=25 gives us B C = 4 , C A = 5 BC = 4, CA = 5 . The interior point of the triangle defined as the point where we place the three 12 0 120^\circ angles together will be called P.

By definition, P is the Fermat point of ABC. Note A B C \triangle ABC is a right triangle, by the Pythagorean Theorem. To compute j + k + l j+k+l , place point Q so that BCQ is equilateral with side 4, A B Q \angle ABQ is obtuse. We now will show that j + k + l = C Q j+k+l=CQ . Let R be the point on CQ such that B R C = 12 0 \angle BRC=120^\circ . Note that QBRC is a cyclic quadrilateral, since B R C + B Q C = 18 0 \angle BRC+\angle BQC=180^\circ . Thus Q R B = Q C B = 6 0 \angle QRB=\angle QCB=60^\circ . Let S be on QR such that R S = R B RS=RB . Note that since Q R B = S R B = 6 0 \angle QRB=\angle SRB=60^\circ , we see S R B \triangle SRB is an equilateral triangle. By QBRC as a cyclic quadrilateral, since R Q B = R C B \angle RQB=\angle RCB . Since Q B = C B QB=CB , S B = R B SB=RB , Q S B \triangle QSB is conguruent to C R B \triangle CRB . Thus Q S = C R QS=CR . By B R = S R BR=SR , we see C R + B R + A R = Q A CR+BR+AR=QA . Since C R B = C R A = A R B = 12 0 \angle CRB=\angle CRA=\angle ARB=120^\circ by chasing angles, we note that R is defined at the same place as P. Thus j + k + l = Q A j+k+l=QA By cosine rule, ( j + k + l ) 2 = ( Q A ) 2 = 3 2 + 4 2 + 2 × 3 × 4 × cos 15 0 = 25 + 12 3 (j+k+l)^2=(QA)^2=3^2+4^2+2 \times 3 \times 4 \times \text{cos}150^\circ=25+12\sqrt{3} Thus a + b + c = 25 + 12 + 3 = 40 a+b+c=25+12+3=40

[Edits for clarity - Calvin]

With this geometric interpretation, the equations are more natural. There are several quicker ways to calculate j + k + l j+k+l , for example by realizing that A B C ABC has area 6.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years ago
Kee Wei Lee
May 20, 2014

Consider the fact that cos ( 12 0 ) = 0.5 \cos(120^\circ)=-0.5 . So, k 2 + j 2 + k j = k 2 + j 2 2 ( k ) ( j ) cos ( 12 0 ) = 9 = 3 2 k^2+j^2+kj=k^2+j^2- 2(k)(j)\cos(120^\circ)=9=3^2 Similarly we look at j 2 + l 2 2 ( j ) ( l ) cos ( 12 0 ) = 5 2 , k 2 + l 2 2 ( k ) ( l ) cos ( 12 0 ) = 4 2 . j^2+l^2-2(j)(l)\cos(120^\circ)=5^2, k^2+l^2-2(k)(l)\cos(120^\circ)=4^2. Now consider triangle ABC with an internal point O such that A O = j , B O = k , O C = l AO=j, BO=k, OC=l and angle AOB=angle BOC=angle COA =120 degrees.

By applying cosine rule to triangle ABC, and with the equations from above, we will get that AB=3 and BC=4 and AC=5. We note that triangle ABC is a right angle triangle at which it has an area of 1 / 2 3 4 = 6 1/2 * 3 * 4 =6 Also, Area of triangle ABC = ( 1 / 2 ) sin ( 12 0 ) ( k j + k l + j l ) = 6 (1/2)\sin(120^\circ) * (kj+kl+jl)=6 So we get k j + k l + j l = 8 3 kj+kl+jl=8\sqrt{3} .

Adding the three original equations together we will get; 2 ( k 2 + j 2 + l 2 ) + k j + k l + j l = 9 + 16 + 25 = 50 2(k^2+j^2+l^2)+kj+kl+jl=9+16+25=50 . Now adding 3 times of k j + k l + j l = 8 3 kj+kl+jl=8\sqrt{3} to it, we will get; 2 ( k 2 + j 2 + l 2 ) + 4 ( k j + k l + j l ) = 50 + 24 3 2(k^2+j^2+l^2)+4(kj+kl+jl)=50+24\sqrt{3} . Since 2 ( k 2 + j 2 + l 2 ) + 4 ( k j + k l + j l ) = 2 ( k + j + l ) 2 2(k^2+j^2+l^2)+4(kj+kl+jl)=2(k+j+l)^2 , so 2 ( k + j + l ) 2 = 50 + 24 3 2(k+j+l)^2=50+24\sqrt{3} or ( k + j + l ) 2 = 25 + 12 3 (k+j+l)^2=25+12\sqrt{3} Hence our required answer is 25 + 12 + 3 = 40 25+12+3=40 .

[Minor Latex edits - Calvin]

Ze Tao
May 20, 2014

From the three equations we known, we can have (l-j)(j+l+k)=7,(j-k)(j+l+k)=9,(l-k)(j+l+k)=16 We can suppose (j+l+k)=x, then we have l-j=7/x, j-k=9/x. So j=k+9/x, l=k+16/x. Then I+j+k=3k+25/x, so we have 3kx=x^2-25. Because j^2+k^2+jk=9 and j=k+9/x so we have k^2+18k/x+81/x^2+k^2+k^2+9k/x=9, same to 3k^2+27k/x+81/x^2=9 It is also same to 3k^2x^2+27kx+81=9x^2 and 9k^2x^2+81kx+243=27x^2, bring 3kx=x^2-25 in it we can have (x^2-25)^2+27(x^2-25)+243=27x^2 x^4-50x^2+625-27*25+243=0 x^4-50x^2+193=0 From the Root Formula x^2=25 \pm 12 \sqrt{3} So a+b+c =25+12+3=40

Christopher Boo
Apr 29, 2014

Noticed that

j 2 + k 2 + j k = j 2 + k 2 2 j k cos 12 0 = 3 2 j^2+k^2+jk=j^2+k^2-2jk\cos{120^\circ}=3^2

k 2 + l 2 + k l = k 2 + l 2 2 k l cos 12 0 = 4 2 k^2+l^2+kl=k^2+l^2-2kl\cos{120^\circ}=4^2

l 2 + j 2 + l j = l 2 + j 2 2 l j cos 12 0 = 5 2 l^2+j^2+lj=l^2+j^2-2lj\cos{120^\circ}=5^2

With these, we can construct a right triangle

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with A D B = B D C = C D A = 12 0 \angle ADB=\angle BDC=\angle CDA=120^\circ .

From the area of triangle, we can get

1 2 j k sin 12 0 + 1 2 k l sin 12 0 + 1 2 l j sin 12 0 = 6 \frac{1}{2}jk\sin120^\circ+\frac{1}{2}kl\sin120^\circ+\frac{1}{2}lj\sin120^\circ=6

3 4 ( j k + k l + l j ) = 6 \frac{\sqrt3}{4}(jk+kl+lj)=6

j k + k l + l j = 8 3 \boxed{jk+kl+lj=8\sqrt3}

Sum up the three given equations, we have

2 ( j 2 + k 2 + l 2 ) + ( j k + k l + l j ) = 50 2(j^2+k^2+l^2)+(jk+kl+lj)=50

Substitute j k + k l + l j = 8 3 jk+kl+lj=8\sqrt3 to the equation we have

j 2 + k 2 + l 2 = 25 4 3 \boxed{j^2+k^2+l^2=25-4\sqrt3}

Now, we have enough informations to solve

( j + k + l ) 2 (j+k+l)^2

= ( j 2 + k 2 + l 2 ) + 2 ( j k + k l + l j ) =(j^2+k^2+l^2)+2(jk+kl+lj)

= ( 25 4 3 ) + 2 ( 8 3 ) =(25-4\sqrt3)+2(8\sqrt3)

= 25 + 12 3 =25+12\sqrt3

Sagnik Saha
Feb 1, 2014

The idea to this problem is not simple enough. Firstly I tried to solve this problem using AM -GM inequality trying to show that ( j + k + l ) 2 k (j+k+l)^2 \geq k and ( j + k + l ) 2 k (j+k+l)^2 \leq k for some k k , implying that ( j + k + l ) 2 = k (j+k+l)^2 = k . But that did not work out. The idea to this problem is transforming the problem to a geometric problem. Carefully look at j 2 + j k + k 2 j^2 + jk + k^2 .

Dosen't it look like that in a triangle, 2 sides are of length j j units and k k units with an included angle of 12 0 120^{\circ} and we are trying to compute the third side? Yes it indeed does. We now use the idea of Fermat Point.

A little observation reveals that j j , k k and l l are the distances of the Fermat point from the three vertices of a triangle.Thus we have grabbed the main idea of the problem and we proceed as follows.

Take a point P P in a plane and construct line segments of length j , k , l j,k,l pairwise having an included angle of 12 0 120^{\circ}
Mark the extremities of the segments as A A , B B ans C C . [ Since we dont know j , k , l j,k,l , the construction will not be accurate] . Thus

A B 2 = j 2 + k 2 2 j k cos 12 0 = j 2 + k 2 + j k = 9 AB^2 = j^2 + k^2 - 2 j k \cos120^{\circ} = j^2 + k^2 + jk = 9 . Hence, A B = 3 AB = 3 . Similarly , B C = 4 BC = 4 and A C = 5 AC = 5 .

From converse of Pythagorus's Theorem, we find that A B C = 9 0 \angle ABC = 90^{\circ} .

So, P P is the Fermat Point of a triangle with side lengths 3 , 4 , 5 3,4,5 . Now we need to compute P A + P B + P C PA + PB + PC

We construct an equilateral triangle with B C BC as one of is sides outwardly. Let the triangle be B P A 1 BPA_1 . Similarly construct equilateral triangles A C B 1 ACB_1 and A B C 1 ABC_1 . It is a well known result that A A 1 , B B 1 , C C 1 AA_1, BB_1 , CC_1 are concurrent at the Fermat point of the triangle. To get exact constructions, first construct the triangle with sides 3 , 4 , 5 3,4,5 and then construct the equilateral triangles outwardly. Then trace the Fermat point. But we ned not do tha as its just an algebra problem and we dont need to be accurate. Moreover, A A 1 = B B 1 = C C 1 = P A + P B + P C AA_1= BB_1 = CC_1 = PA + PB + PC ( One may google it if he/she dosent know) ( http://www.math.washington.edu/~king/coursedir/m444a03/notes/12-05-Napoleon-Fermat.html) and http://www.cut-the-knot.org/Generalization/fermat_point.shtml) might be helpful. Image Image Thus it is enough to compute A A 1 2 AA_1^2 as it is essentially equal to ( P A + P b + P C ) 2 = ( j + k + l ) 2 (PA+Pb+PC)^2 = (j+k+l)^2

Now look at A B A 1 \triangle ABA_1 . We have A B = 3 AB = 3 , B A 1 = B C = 4 BA_1 = BC = 4 and A B A 1 = ( 90 + 60 ) = 15 0 \angle ABA_1 = (90+60)^{\circ} = 150^{\circ}

We have, by applying Cosine rule to A B B 1 \triangle ABB_1

A A 1 2 = A B 2 + B A 1 2 2 × A B × B A 1 × cos A B A 1 AA_1^2 = AB^2 + BA_1^2 - 2 \times AB \times BA_1\times \cos \angle ABA_1

\implies A A 1 2 = 3 2 + 4 2 2 × 3 × 4 × cos 15 0 AA_1^2 = 3^2 + 4^2 - 2 \times 3 \times 4 \times \cos 150^{\circ}

\implies A A 1 2 = 9 + 16 + 2 × 3 × 4 × cos 3 0 AA_1^2 = 9 + 16 + 2 \times 3 \times 4 \times \cos 30^{\circ} (as cos θ = cos ( 18 0 θ ) \cos \theta = - \cos ( 180^{\circ} - \theta) )

\implies A A 1 2 = 25 + 2 × 3 × 4 × 3 2 = 25 + 12 3 AA_1^2 = 25 + 2 \times 3 \times 4 \times \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2} = 25 + 12\sqrt{3}

\implies ( j + k + l ) 2 = 25 + 12 3 (j+k+l)^2 = 25 + 12\sqrt{3} and hence the answer is 25 + 12 + 3 = 40 \boxed{25+12+3=40}

Note- There may be non geometric solutions, but i could not come up with anything else.

Good one..

Lokesh Gupta - 7 years, 4 months ago

wow

Omkar Pande - 7 years, 4 months ago

Lol, I made a problem just like this one for the SMaC.

Sam Thompson - 7 years, 4 months ago

Exactly how I did it.

Instead of geometrical constructions you did, I added the area of three triangles, PAB, PBC and PCA and equated it to the ( 1 / 2 ) × 3 × 4 (1/2)\times 3 \times 4 . That gives the value of jk+kl+lj.

Pranav Arora - 7 years, 4 months ago
Noel Lo
May 20, 2014

First of all, do note that by adding up the three equations, we get 2(j^2+k^2+l^2) + jk+kl+jl = 50. Hence jk+kl+jl = 50 - 2(j^2+k^2+l^2). -------(1)

Now by direct expansion, (j+k+l)^2 = j^2+k^2+l^2 + 2(jk+kl+jl) ----(2) Substituting (1) into (2), we have (j+k+l)^2 = 100 - 3(j^2+k^2+l^2) ----(3)

Now let's imagine all three equations as quadratic equations: In j^2 + jk +(k^2-9) = 0, let j be the variable and k, the constant: By the quadratic formula, we have j = (\sqrt{36-3k^2} -k)/2 Reversing roles (i.e. k is the variable and j is the constant), k= (\sqrt{36-3j^2} -j)/2.

Applying the same rules for k^2 + kl +(l^2-16) = 0, we have k= (\sqrt{64-3l^2} -l)/2 and l = (\sqrt{64-3k^2} -k)/2.

Similarly, in l^2 + j^2 +jl =25, we have l= (\sqrt{100-3j^2} -j)/2 and j = (\sqrt{100-3l^2} -l)/2.

Now expressing equation (3) in terms of j by direct substitution and manipulation, we will get (j+k+l)^2 = 3j[(\sqrt{100-3j^2})+(\sqrt{36-3j^2} -j)]/2. -------(4) Now multiplying the first and last original equations by 4, we have: 4j^2+4k^2+4jk = 36 and 4l^2+4j^2 + 4jl = 100 which reduces equation (4) to (j+k+l)^2 =3j(j+k+l)-2. Making j the subject, j= (j+k+l)/3 +2/[3(j+k+l)]

Using the same method for k, one would find that k= (j+k+l)/3 -25/[3(j+k+l)]. Substituting these two values into j^2+k^2 +jk = 9, we have a quartic equation: (j+k+l)^4 - 50(j+k+l)^2 +193 = 0. Let (j+k+l)^2 = x. Then x^2- 50x +193 = 0 By the quadratic formula, the value of x can be reduced to 25+12\sqrt{3} where a=25, b=12, c=3. Hence a+b+c = 40.

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