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Geometry Level 2

The minute hand happens to be precisely on top of the hour hand on a traditional analog clock.

Assuming the clock is running normally, what was the angle between the two hands 2 hours and 20 minutes ago?

30 degrees 40 degrees 50 degrees 60 degrees

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11 solutions

Zain Majumder
Apr 8, 2018

If the clock hands meet at midnight, two hours and twenty minutes ago was 9 : 40 PM 9:40\text{ PM} . Therefore, the minute hand is on the 8 8 and the hour hand is 2 3 \frac{2}{3} of the way between 9 9 and 10 10 :

The twelve markings divide the clock into 36 0 12 = 3 0 \frac{360^\circ}{12} = 30^\circ intervals, so the answer is 3 0 + 2 0 = 5 0 30^\circ+20^\circ=\boxed{50^\circ} .

where are you getting 2 hours and twenty minutes?

Riley Kemna - 3 years, 2 months ago

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It says two hours and twenty minutes in the question.

Zain Majumder - 3 years, 2 months ago

This wasn't her problem someone changed it.

Harrison Boettler - 3 years, 2 months ago

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Yes, the original problem was incorrect. It was a good idea so we changed the numbers to make it work. (We often tweak numbers for the sake of presentation.)

Jason Dyer Staff - 3 years, 2 months ago

Simply Sharp and Brilliant. Bravo

Kiran Abraham - 3 years, 2 months ago

ahhh...I missed the hour hand moving back a bit

Darth Vader - 3 years, 1 month ago

In a 12-hour period, the hour hand travels one revolution and the minute hand travels 12 revolutions. The difference Δ ϕ \Delta \phi between the hands travels therefore 11 full revolutions. Since this angle increases at a constant rate, the rate at which Δ ϕ \Delta \phi increases is d ( Δ ϕ ) d t = 11 × 36 0 12 hours = 33 0 / hour . \frac {d(\Delta \phi)}{dt} = \frac{11 \times 360^\circ}{12\ \text{hours}} = 330^\circ/\text{hour}. In the time of 2 hours, 20 minutes, the difference is Δ ϕ = 33 0 / hour × 2 1 3 hours = 77 0 = 2 × 36 0 + 5 0 . \Delta \phi = 330^\circ/\text{hour} \times 2\tfrac13\ \text{hours} = 770^\circ = 2\times 360^\circ + 50^\circ. Thus the hands will be 5 0 \boxed{50^\circ} apart. (This is true both for 2:20 pm and 9:40 am.)

Excellent method

Anas Abu Halaweh - 3 years, 1 month ago

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Math teacher ?

Anas Abu Halaweh - 3 years, 1 month ago
David Vreken
Apr 8, 2018

The hour hand travels at a rate of 360 ° 12 = 30 ° \frac{360°}{12} = 30° clockwise every hour. Therefore, 2 2 hours and 20 20 minutes ago, the hour hand was 2 1 3 30 ° = 70 ° 2 \frac{1}{3} \cdot 30° = 70° counterclockwise from its current position.

The minute hand travels at a rate of 360 ° 60 = 6 ° \frac{360°}{60} = 6° clockwise every minute. Therefore, 2 2 hours and 20 20 minutes ago, the minute hand was 2 2 full revolutions and 20 6 ° = 120 ° 20 \cdot 6° = 120° counterclockwise from its current position.

The angle between the two hands is then the difference of 120 ° 70 ° = 50 ° 120° - 70° = \boxed{50°} .

I did it like that!

Talal Zulfi - 3 years, 1 month ago

I really like that solution. As simple as I can imagine, thanks!

Roman Velychko - 3 years, 1 month ago
Jason Dyer Staff
Apr 5, 2018

First, since the clock can be rotated, we can assume the hour and minute hand meet at the "top", that is, 12:00.

Furthermore, since the clock is symmetrical, 2 hours and 20 minutes behind will result in the same angle as 2 hours and 20 minutes ahead, so we can solve this by finding the angle between the clock hands at 2:20.

At 2:20, the minute hand is at the 4. The hour hand is at the 2 plus an additional third of the way to the 3 (this is because 20 minutes is a third of an hour).

The 360 degrees of a clock are divided by the face numbers into 12 equal parts, so there are 360 / 12 = 30 360/12 = 30 degrees between face numbers. The distance between the hour hand and the 3 is two-thirds of that, that is, 30 ( 2 3 ) = 20 30 \left(\frac{2}{3}\right) = 20 degrees. So we have a total angle of 20 + 30 = 50 20 + 30 = 50 degrees between the hour and minute hands.

Matej Krpan
Apr 13, 2018

Here is a solution from let's say a more physical perspective.

Since it is easier for me to look forwards in time rather than backwards, the problem doesn't change if we ask ourselves what will be the angle between the two hands 2 hours and 20 minutes from now if they start from the same position. This is exactly the same as asking the question if the two hands are in the same position, what was the angle between them 2 hours and 20 minutes ago.

The clock can be abstracted away. We are not interested in hours, minutes, seconds or their position on the clock. This problem can simply be reduced to two hands which are rotating at different, but constant angular velocities that are starting from the same position.

The clock hand makes one full revolution (or 360 degrees) after 12 hours so the angular velocity of the hour hand is: ω h = 36 0 12 h = 30 deg hour \omega_h = \frac{360^\circ}{12 \text{h}} = 30 \frac{\text{deg}}{\text{hour}}

The minute hand makes one full revolution (or 360 degrees) after 60 minutes (or one hour) so the angular velocity of the minute hand is: ω m = 36 0 1 h = 360 deg hour \omega_m = \frac{360^\circ}{1 \text{h}} = 360 \frac{\text{deg}}{\text{hour}}

Time t t is 2 hours and 20 minutes, but let's write this in hours. 20 minutes is 1/3 of a full hour, so: t = 2 h + 1 / 3 h = 7 3 hours t = 2\text{ h}+1/3 \text{ h} = \frac{7}{3} \text{ hours}

After 7/3 hours, the hour hand will move: θ h = ω h × t = 30 × 7 3 = 70 deg \theta_h = \omega_h \times t = 30\times \frac{7}{3} = 70 \text{ deg}

and the minute hand will move: θ m = ω m × t = 360 × 7 3 = 840 deg = 360 + 360 + 120 deg = 120 deg \theta_m = \omega_m \times t = 360\times \frac{7}{3} = 840 \text{ deg} = 360 + 360 + 120 \text{ deg} = 120 \text{ deg}

Considering angles larger than 360 degrees doesn't make any sense in this case because after 2 hours and 20 minutes the minute hand will make two complete revolutions and land 120 degrees from the starting position.

Finally, the angle difference between the two hands is equal to the starting difference (which is 0 in this case) and the difference between the two angles we just calculated:

Δ θ ( t ) = Δ θ 0 + θ m ( t ) θ h ( t ) = 0 + 120 70 = 50 deg \Delta \theta (t) = \Delta \theta_0 + \theta_m(t) - \theta_h(t) = 0 + 120 - 70 = 50 \text{ deg}

Now we have a formula for any arbitrary starting position and any arbitrary time: Δ θ ( t ) = ( Δ θ 0 + θ m ( t ) θ h ( t ) ) mod 360 = ( Δ θ 0 + ( ω m ω h ) × t ) mod 360 = ( Δ θ 0 + 330 × t ) mod 360 \Delta \theta (t) = (\Delta \theta_0 + \theta_m(t) - \theta_h(t)) \text{ mod } 360 = (\Delta \theta_0 + (\omega_m-\omega_h)\times t)\text{ mod } 360 = (\Delta \theta_0 + 330 \times t)\text{ mod } 360

For example: if the clock shows 4 hours and 15 minutes, what will be the angle difference after 3 hours and 40 minutes?

Δ θ 0 = θ h ( 0 ) + θ m ( 0 ) = 4.25 × 30 + 15 5 × 30 = 37.5 deg \Delta \theta_0 = -\theta_h(0) + \theta_m(0) = -4.25\times30 + \frac{15}{5}\times 30 = -37.5 \text{deg} t = 11 3 h t = \frac{11}{3} \text{h} Δ θ ( t ) = ( Δ θ 0 + θ m ( t ) θ h ( t ) ) mod 360 = ( 37.5 + 330 × 11 3 ) mod 360 = 1172.5 mod 360 = 92.5 deg \Delta \theta (t) = (\Delta \theta_0 + \theta_m(t) - \theta_h(t)) \text{ mod } 360 = (-37.5 + 330\times\frac{11}{3})\text{ mod } 360 = 1172.5\text{ mod } 360=92.5 \text{deg}

Janesh Parnami
Apr 14, 2018

In 1 Hour, the Hour hand rotates by 3 0 30^\circ .Therefore, in 1 minute it rotates 3 0 60 \frac{30^\circ}{60} = 1 2 \frac{1}{2}^\circ .

Similarly, the minute hand in 1 minute rotates by 36 0 60 \frac{360^\circ}{60} = 6 6^\circ .

The difference between the speed of rotation of hour and minute hand is 6 1 2 = 5 1 2 6^\circ - \frac{1^\circ}{2} = 5\frac{1^\circ}{2} .

What the above statements imply is that the minute hand covers 1 1 2 \frac{11^\circ}{2} more than the hour hand per minute.

Now, 2 Hours and 20 Minutes = 140 Minutes and both the hands are at the same position initially.

Therefore,the difference between the hour hand and the minute hand in 140 minutes will be 140 1 1 2 = 77 0 140 * \frac{11^\circ}{2} = 770^\circ .

Since 36 0 360^\circ will mean a complete circle , we can clearly remove 2 circles from 77 0 770^\circ .

Giving us the answer 77 0 72 0 = 5 0 770^\circ - 720^\circ = \boxed{50^\circ} .

Iain Tarves
Apr 14, 2018

Let's assume that the minute and hour hands have met up at exactly noon (12:00 p.m.). Two hours and twenty minutes ago, the time was 9:40 a.m.

Let us calculate how many degrees the minute hand has rotated about the center of the clock face since 9:00. Every number marking along the circumference corresponds to a 30º rotation clockwise and is situated 5 minutes apart from the next marking. After 40 minutes, the minute hand will have traveled 8 of these divisions around, making an angle of 8(30º) = 240º.

At 9:00, the hour hand had traveled 9(30º) = 270º around since midnight, but how far does it rotate after 40 minutes? Well, the hour hand travels 30º for every 360º that the minute hand moves around. Since 40 minutes is 2 3 \frac{2}{3} of 60 minutes, and 240º is 2 3 \frac{2}{3} of 360º, we can deduce that the minute hand has traveled 2 3 \frac{2}{3} of the way around the circumference of the clock face ( 2 3 \frac{2}{3} of 360º). Since the rotation rates of the two minute hands are proportional to each other (30º per 360º), we can correctly say that the hour hand will travel 2 3 \frac{2}{3} of 30º in 40 minutes, which is 20º. Adding on the extra 270º from its rotation since midnight, we find that the hour hand has traveled 290º around the clock face.

Thus the angle between the two hands is 290º – 240º = 50º.

Jeffrey H.
Apr 11, 2018

Note that every minute, the angle between the hour and minute hand increases by 5. 5 5.5^\circ . So, the angle between them is ( 5.5 ( 2 60 + 20 ) ) = 77 0 (5.5 \cdot (2 \cdot 60+20))^\circ=770^\circ . This is also equivalent to 77 0 72 0 = 5 0 770^\circ-720^\circ=\boxed{50^\circ}

Nathan Zurcher
Apr 10, 2018

Imagine both hands start on the twelfth hour. Move the hour hand back 2 hours, and move the minute hand back 20 minutes. The amount of time between the hour hand and the minute hand will be 1 hour and 40 minutes, or 1.66... hrs. Now, find the ratio of the amount of time separating the two hands to the total hours on the clock.

1.66... hrs / 12 hrs = 0.1388...

Now, multiply your ratio by 360 degrees (the clock is a circle, so it encloses 360 degrees) to determine the angle between the two hands.

360 degrees * 0.1388... = 50 degrees.

Riley Kemna
Apr 10, 2018

I am so sorry. This isn't my problem, someone at brilliant or a hacker changed the problem and answers, even though it is still showing as mine, and has the same title. Does anyone know what could have happened?

M. Zeidan
Apr 9, 2018

If the hour and minute hands are exactly on top of each other, then they are both pointing at 12. 2 hours and 20 minites ago it was 9:40. So, the hour hands is between 9 and 10, 2/3 of the way to 10, and the minute hand is at 8. Divide each hour into 3 divisions, so the number of divisions between the two hands is 5 (3 divisions from 8-where the minute hand is standing- to 9, and 2 diviosns from 9 to where the hour hand is standing). Number of total divions is 3x12=36 So the angle is (5/36)x360=50 degrees.

where are you getting 2 hours and twenty minutes?

Riley Kemna - 3 years, 2 months ago

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