To 'Infinity' And Beyond! 2

Calculus Level 1

= ? \Large \frac { \infty }{ \infty } = \ ?

1 Undefined \infty 0

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17 solutions

Ramiel To-ong
Jul 3, 2015

Infinity does not represent a number. Instead, infinity is a concept. With that said, infinity does not necessarily adhere to the standard rules of arithmetic that the real numbers do, so this expression is not defined.

We could try putting forth a definition of how infinity behaves in such a setting, but such a definition is beyond the scope of this problem.

I am not a mathematician so my response might be way out to lunch, but doesn't the way the problem is posed indicate a fraction of something else? Assuming there is nothing greater than infinifty itself, how can infinity be posed as a fraction? Also, does not a number over itself in fraction for always equal one? If that is the case, infinity over infinity would equal one, would it not? Maybe it is just a representation of infinite wholeness, the absolute - or life, the universe, and everything. No wait, I think that is 42.

Paul Galloway - 5 years, 11 months ago

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You also have to remember that you can have different densities of infinity, so could never know if the infinities in the fraction have the same density. The only answer therefore is undefined.

Gabriel Atheos - 5 years, 11 months ago

infinity isn't a defined number so there isnt a number for you to equate it to. I definitely see what you are saying but seeing as infinity is concept and not a number you cannot define it BY a number

michael bye - 5 years, 11 months ago

Infinity can actually be a lot of different values. That doesn't seem to make sense, but think about this. There are an infinite amount of positive integers, and there are an infinite amount of integers. If you subtracted the sum of all the positive integers from the sum of all the integers, you just have the set of negative integers. (that isn't 100% correct, but for now just picture that) You can see that infinity - infinity here is not 0 or infinity, it is actually -infinity. You could think of a lot of values of infinity where if you take their sums which equate to infinity, and subtract the two, you get weird values. if we thought about it enough, we could get infinite values subtracted from others to get an real number.

Wilhem Arthur - 5 years, 11 months ago

if we can't do operations with infinity, how come mathematicians say (and prove) infinity +1 = infinity ???

Damon Flicker - 5 years, 11 months ago

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You may add or subtract a finite number from an infinite number and still have infinity.

There are degrees of infinity, which is why an operation containing two infinites is undefined (unless the compositions of the infinite sets are given).

I'll explain it without going into a mathematical proof, though it could easily be done.

Consider the set { 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 } \left\{1,2,3,4 \ldots \right\} (the set of natural numbers, regardless of whether you consider 0 to be in this set).

I think we can agree that this is an infinite set. Now let's add one more number to this set, 0, to make it { 0 , 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 } \left\{0,1,2,3,4 \ldots \right\} . This operation would be + 1 \infty + 1 . I would think that we can agree that the result is likewise infinite. Hence, + 1 = \infty + 1 = \infty

However, suppose we take two infinite sets and subtract them ( \infty - \infty ). Unless we define the composition of these infinite sets, we have no way of knowing what the result would be.

For example:

\infty - \infty by removing all values within one set from another, with the two sets being identical { 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 } \left\{1,2,3,4 \ldots \right\} . This would yield = 0 \infty - \infty = 0 in that the resultant set would be empty.

\infty - \infty as given by the first set being all integers { 3 , 2 , 1 , 0 , 1 , 2 , 3 } \left\{\ldots -3,-2,-1,0,1,2,3 \ldots \right\} and the second set being all naturals { 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 } \left\{1,2,3,4 \ldots \right\} . The result would be another infinite set (all negative integers with the addition of zero). Thus, = \infty - \infty = \infty

So by now, hopefully you can understand that one infinity may be greater than another.

So:

= \infty - \infty = -\infty is a possibility too. As is = 1 2 \infty - \infty = \dfrac{1}{2} , or any other value.

This is why we say equations with two infinites are undefined. Because the symbol infinity tells us nothing of the actual size or composition of that infinite number.

DanScotty ScottDan - 5 years, 11 months ago

I believe no definitive proof has been published to support that equality.

Sam Javier - 5 years, 11 months ago

Great answer, sir! upvoted!!

Yoogottam Khandelwal - 5 years, 11 months ago

you mean if there is an infinity over infinity part of the engineering exam and if there is no undefined in the choices we should leave that blank space?

Adrian Richard Pajuelas - 5 years, 11 months ago

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If I were you, I would simply not attempt that examination... ¨ \ddot\smile

If someone asks the area of a right triangle with sides (3, 4, 5), and 6 is not in options, what would you do?

Pranjal Jain - 5 years, 11 months ago

If 2/2 is 1 and x/x is 1 why is Infiniti/Infiniti 1

Joshua Walker-Davis - 5 years, 10 months ago

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You're assuming a value for infinity. There are many different degrees of infinity, but infinity itself is undefined. For instance, if we take the set of all natural numbers [1, 2, 3, 4...] , which is infinite, and divide that by itself, the answer would indeed be 1. However, to divide it by the set of all real numbers (anything that be shown on the number line), the answer would be less than 1, seeing as real numbers encompass all naturals, integers, rationals, irrationals and transcendentals. Dividing 1 by this fraction (thus switching the numerator and denominaor), whilst still using the naturals and reals, would still be infinity/infinity, but the answer would this time be greater than 1. Because of the massive amount of possible answers (one could argue it is infinite, since there is theoretically an infinite number of infinite sets), the answer is simply undefined.

Stephen Yates - 5 years, 8 months ago

The statement that no operation can be done with infinity is clearly false. I would argue that the very definition of infinity suggests that infinity + 1 = infinity. That is: it is endless, i.e. any number can just keep adding to to get back to itself. We also accept that 2*infinity = infinity. Set theory can clear prove this; if one set contains an infinite number of values twice as large as another set, these sets are even in size because we can match all the values in the first set to the second by simply dividing by two. Moreover, it is also accepted that infinity^infinity > infinity (this is more properly purposed as the power of an infinite set, but I prefer it written this way). Moreover, 1/infinity = 0. There is also a vast amount of Calculus that deals with infinities. The answer below is far more accurate, mathematical description of this problem. We do not know the size of this infinity; the problem isn't that we don't know the value (these are distinct, for if one trys to deal with the "value" of infinity then they say we can never do an operation with it, but when we deal with size of it we can determine a lot more.)

Michael Crabtree - 5 years, 11 months ago

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According to my calculations infinity-infinity=0, why is everyone so confused? this is a really simple question

Ching Chong - 5 years, 9 months ago

infinity=undefined.so correct answer =undefined=infinity.

Sree Hari - 5 years, 10 months ago
Trevor B.
Jul 7, 2015

In the words of John Green, some infinities are bigger than other infinities.

We can see this in a number of ways, such as in Hilbert's paradox , Georg Cantor 's infinite sets, or a textbook math problem that requires you to apply l'Hospital's Rule .

Not to mention, infinity isn't even a number! It's just a concept to demonstrate something that's really really really \textit{really} big. Thus, \dfrac{\infty}{\infty} is undefined.

Mikal Olsen
Jul 7, 2015

lim x -> inf (x/x) = 1 x approaches inf, we could say this is like inf/inf

lim x -> inf (2x/x) = 1/2 x and 2x approach inf, we could say this is like inf/inf

1 does not equal 1/2, thus inf/inf is undefined.

^ not rigorous, but still a decent explanation as to why that was the best answer.

Rekarlo Jäger
Jul 7, 2015

Note that some infinities "are bigger than other infinities".... And that infinity is sometimes coined as undefined itself (any number over zero is actually infinity)... Therefore infinity over infinity is undefined...

Jacob Moser
Jul 9, 2015

U = Undefined

If : ∞/∞ = U

Then: Universe A / Universe B = U Universe C

Simplified: A/B = UndefinedC

Therefore: ∞/∞ = UC

The solution is an undefined C

Adding universes OR infinities together

∞+∞ = A+B

Universe A + Universe B = Universe (A+B)

Assuming there are an Infinite number of Universes, We can say,

{A+B+C+D.........} = ∞(∞)

Therefore, all the Universes added together is 2(∞)

If those two Universes multiply exponentially OR make products

{ABCD......} = ∞^(∞)

If we take the square root of all of the universes OR divide all the universes by each other in the entirety of the 2(∞) Multiverse,

{A÷B÷C÷D.......} = log (∞)∞

We can then assume that Universe A ÷ Universe B = log (∞)∞

Undefined C = log (∞)∞ =∞ ÷ ∞

The question then is, "What happens in this undefined Universe? Is it an imaginary unit? Can we then use imaginary units to create real magical realities?"

If so, reality is equal to (Undefined C)^4

Because in Calculus we are taught that i^4=1 (real unit)

The term infinity is a concept not a number as many people usually think It is the concept of the uncountable. Therefore without the numbers given in exact and given an idea ,it can't be divided or more formally not definite

The question is logically incorrect. Infinity is not a number as such. A variable can only tend to infinity. the expression gets meaning only if it has limit. So not defined is not a correct answer because the question itself is wrong.

Shawn Pollock
Jan 6, 2016

UNDEFINED: Lots of great reasons given here, so I will just add a little fun twist. Think about the sum of all numbers from -inf to +inf. This sum is zero, right? Now take the mathematical statement above (i.e. -inf + ... + -1 + 0 + 1 + ... + inf) and subtract an identical sum. If we line up the terms at the 0s it's plain to see the sum is still 0, right? -inf+inf+...-1+1-0+0+1-1...+inf-inf = 0.... but, if I do the same thing but shift the first sum one to the left...i.e. line them up 0 to 1. Now every pair of numbers when subtracted leaves +1. We can do this shift because the infinite sum has infinite terms and is not any different by doing so... so now the sum is +inf. And of course, we can add and subtract 0 from any real number and so any number is also equal to infinity... well, maybe not.... in any case infinity is weird.... enough said.

The theory of limits points that infinite/infinite shows an indetermination.

Pranav Jagadeesan
Sep 20, 2015

I got correct

Stephen Yates
Sep 19, 2015

If we look at set theory, we can see that there is an infinite number of infinities, with each infinity being different. For instance, we have the set of all real numbers, which can be broken down to be even and odd numbered sets. We can also create sets of all natural numbers and of rationals and irrationals, all of which are infinite themselves. With this in mind, how would we define infinity as a value? The simple answer is that we can't, as infinity is simply a concept, for if you divide the infinite set of all real numbers by the same set, the answer would be 1. However, dividing the real number set by the infinite set of even numbers would produce a different answer. As there can be no single answer to the sum, the answer is undefined, as well as infinity itself being undefined as a concept with no actual value.

Ryan Hong
Sep 2, 2015

Infinity is NOT ONE NUMBER. That way it could be whatever number replacing the infinity signs and we don't know which number. So it is undefined.

Adauto Scirea
Aug 31, 2015

Richard Feynman
Jul 23, 2015

Infinity is a concept, not a number so the same rules do not apply infinity is( n = n+ 1) so n infinitely increases

Nagaraj Shenoy
Jul 13, 2015

Let me explain my version for these puzzling problems: Fundamentally, explaining infinity as ‘a number’ is a misnomer. It basically indicates ‘a range’, that is numbers or values beyond certain comprehensible limits. Hence (range – range) cannot necessarily be zero (or any other number for that matter). As range itself is not properly defined in this case (that’s why it is infinity!) any operation on them is undoubtedly not definable (including multiplication, addition and division apart from subtraction).

Whitney Clark
Jul 7, 2015

Infinity isn't even a number, really.

indeterminate form......

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