Too Large To Factor

Algebra Level 2

True or False?

If a , b , c a,b,c satisfy the equation a 3 + b 3 + c 3 = ( a + b + c ) 3 a^3 + b^3 + c^3 = (a+b+c)^3 ,
then they also satisfy a 5 + b 5 + c 5 = ( a + b + c ) 5 a^5 + b^5 + c^5 = (a+b+c)^5 .

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Let S 1 = a + b + c S_1 = a+b+c , S 2 = a b + b c + c a S_2 = ab+bc+ca , S 3 = a b c S_3 = abc and P n = a n + b n + c n P_n = a^n + b^n + c^n , where n n is a natural number. Then we have:

P 1 = S 1 P 2 = S 1 P 1 2 S 2 = S 1 2 2 S 2 P 3 = S 1 P 2 S 2 P 1 + 3 S 3 = S 1 3 2 S 1 S 2 S 1 S 2 + 3 S 3 = S 1 3 3 S 1 S 2 + 3 S 3 \begin{aligned} P_1 & = S_1 \\ P_2 & = S_1P_1 - 2S_2 \\ & = S_1^2 - 2S_2 \\ P_3 & = S_1P_2 - S_2P_1 + 3S_3 \\ & = S_1^3 - 2S_1S_2 - S_1S_2 + 3S_3 \\ & = S_1^3 - 3S_1S_2 + 3S_3 \end{aligned}

It is given that P 3 = S 1 3 P_3 = S_1^3 , S 1 S 2 S 3 = 0 \implies \color{#3D99F6}{S_1S_2 - S_3 = 0} .

Now, we have:

P 5 = S 1 P 4 S 2 P 3 + S 3 P 2 = S 1 ( S 1 P 3 S 2 P 2 + S 3 P 1 ) S 2 S 1 3 + S 3 P 2 = S 1 5 S 1 S 2 P 2 + S 1 2 S 3 S 1 3 S 2 + S 3 P 2 = S 1 5 ( S 1 S 2 S 3 ) P 2 S 1 2 ( S 1 S 2 S 3 ) = S 1 5 0 0 a 5 + b 5 + c 5 = ( a + b + c ) 5 \begin{aligned} P_5 & = S_1P_4 - S_2P_3+S_3P_2 \\ & = S_1(S_1P_3 - S_2P_2+S_3P_1) - S_2S_1^3 + S_3P_2 \\ & = S_1^5 - S_1S_2P_2+S_1^2S_3 - S_1^3S_2 + S_3P_2 \\ & = S_1^5 - (\color{#3D99F6}{S_1S_2-S_3})P_2 - S_1^2(\color{#3D99F6}{S_1S_2-S_3}) \\ & = S_1^5 - \color{#3D99F6}{0} - \color{#3D99F6}{0} \\ \implies a^5 + b^5 + c^5 & = \boxed{(a+b+c)^5} \end{aligned}

As for the first equation, we have: a 3 + b 3 + c 3 = ( a + b + c ) 3 ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( c + a ) = 0 a^3+b^3+c^3=(a+b+c)^3 \Leftrightarrow (a+b)(b+c)(c+a)=0

Let's consider one particular case where a = b a=-b , then:

a 5 + b 5 + c 5 = a 5 + ( b ) 5 + c 5 = c 5 a^5+b^5+c^5 = a^5+(-b)^5+c^5=c^5

and :

( a + b + c ) 5 = [ a + ( b ) + c ] 5 = c 5 (a+b+c)^5=[a+(-b)+c]^5=c^5

which means that:

( a 5 + b 5 + c 5 ) = ( a + b + c ) 5 (a^5+b^5+c^5)=(a+b+c)^5 .

This can be generalised for any triplet of ( a , b , c ) (a,b,c) that satisfies ( a + b ) ( b + c ) ( c + a ) = 0 (a+b)(b+c)(c+a)=0

This is a good start. However, your explanation has a gap. It is not clear to me why the observation that "when a = b a = -b , then a 5 + b 5 + c 5 = ( a + b + c ) 5 a^5 + b^5 + c^5 = (a+b+c)^ 5 " would imply that a 5 + b 5 + c 5 = ( a + b + c ) 5 a^5 + b^5 + c^5 = (a+b+c)^ 5 .

While you are essentially on the right track, the solution could be improved by filling in the gaps in logic / presentation.

Keep writing more solutions and you will get the hang of this!

Calvin Lin Staff - 4 years, 8 months ago
Amit Kumar
Nov 3, 2016

True. If b=minus(c) then for any given a both the equations will be satisfied. basically it will be reduced to a^x on both the sides as long as x is an odd number. Did this in a hurry so I might be wrong.

That's essentially the idea. We have to check all possible cases where the first equality is satisfied.

Chung Kevin - 4 years, 7 months ago
Razzi Masroor
Oct 21, 2016

I thought this was a logic problem and since since the hypothesis is false then the conclusion is true.I haven't worded it out in awhile.

It is not an identity, but rather an equation. I've added that in, since that is somewhat ambiguous.

Thanks for helping me improve the problem.

Chung Kevin - 4 years, 7 months ago

Also, I knew that all the terms could be zero, but at the time, I didn't consider it at the time.

Razzi Masroor - 4 years, 7 months ago

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