Isosceles Triangles in a Circle

Geometry Level 5

An isosceles triangle with base a a and the lateral side b b , and an isosceles triangle with base b b and the lateral side a are inscribed in a circle of radius R R , given that a b a \neq b , then evaluate a b R 2 \frac{ab}{R^{2}} .

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The answer is 2.236.

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If we draw the first isosceles triangle, then use both lateral sides as the bases for isosceles triangles with lateral sides length a a , (with sides external to the first triangle), then the convex hull we have formed is a regular pentagon with sides length a a .

The radius of the circle in which this regular pentagon is inscribed is

R = a 2 sin ( 3 6 ) R = \dfrac{a}{2\sin(36^{\circ})} ,

and the chord that corresponds to side/base b b has length

b = a 2 cos ( 7 2 ) b = \dfrac{a}{2\cos(72^{\circ})} .

Thus a b R 2 = a 2 2 cos ( 7 2 ) a 2 4 sin 2 ( 3 6 ) = 2 sin 2 ( 3 6 ) cos ( 7 2 ) = sec ( 7 2 ) 1 = 5 = 2.236 \dfrac{ab}{R^{2}} = \dfrac{\frac{a^{2}}{2\cos(72^{\circ})}}{\frac{a^{2}}{4\sin^{2}(36^{\circ})}} = \dfrac{2\sin^{2}(36^{\circ})}{\cos(72^{\circ})} = \sec(72^{\circ}) - 1 = \sqrt{5} = \boxed{2.236}

to 3 3 decimal places.

Yes! That's the first thing I noticed too.

Gwen Roberts - 5 years, 6 months ago

Very nice and amazing solution.

Panya Chunnanonda - 5 years, 10 months ago

The formula of a triangle's circumradius given its sides x , y , z x, y, z can be expressed as: x y z 2 ( x 2 y 2 + x 2 z 2 + y 2 z 2 ) x 4 y 4 z 4 \frac{xyz}{\sqrt{2*(x^{2}y^{2} + x^{2}z^{2} + y^{2}z^{2}) - x^{4} - y^{4} - z^{4}}}

Let R 1 R_{1} be the radius of the circumcircle of the triangle with sides ( a , b , b ) (a, b, b) , and define R 2 R_{2} analogously for the triangle of sides ( a , a , b ) (a, a, b) . Assume, WLOG, that a > b a > b ; the result that will be derived from here doesn't depend on whether a > b a > b because it will be, in a sense, symmetrical.

Using the formula I've shown above, let us calculate R 1 R_{1} and R 2 R_{2} .

R 1 = b 2 4 b 2 a 2 R_{1} = \frac {b^{2}}{\sqrt{4b^{2} - a^{2}}}

R 2 = a 2 4 a 2 b 2 R_{2} = \frac {a^{2}}{\sqrt{4a^{2} - b^{2}}}

Since R 1 = R 2 R_{1} = R_{2} , we can write:

b 2 4 b 2 a 2 = a 2 4 a 2 b 2 \frac {b^{2}}{\sqrt{4b^{2} - a^{2}}} = \frac {a^{2}}{\sqrt{4a^{2} - b^{2}}}

Squaring both sides and multiplying the factors yields:

4 a 2 b 4 b 6 = 4 a 4 b 2 a 6 4a^{2}b^{4} - b^{6} = 4a^{4}b^{2} - a^{6}

Rearranging the terms and factoring conveniently:

a 6 b 6 = 4 a 2 b 2 ( a 2 b 2 ) a^{6} - b^{6} = 4a^{2}b^{2}*(a^{2} - b^{2})

( a 2 b 2 ) ( a 4 + a 2 b 2 + b 4 ) = 4 a 2 b 2 ( a 2 b 2 ) (a^{2} - b^{2})*(a^{4} + a^{2}b^{2} + b^{4}) = 4a^{2}b^{2}*(a^{2} - b^{2})

Since we know that a b a \neq b , we can divide both terms by ( a 2 b 2 ) (a^{2} - b^{2}) to obtain the following result:

a 4 + a 2 b 2 + b 4 = 4 a 2 b 2 a^{4} + a^{2}b^{2} + b^{4} = 4a^{2}b^{2}

a 4 3 a 2 b 2 + b 4 = 0 a^{4} - 3a^{2}b^{2} + b^{4} = 0

Divide both sides by b 4 b^{4} and let us define t = a b t = \frac {a}{b} .

Then, we will obtain the following equation:

t 2 3 t + 1 = 0 t^{2} - 3t + 1 = 0

Solving for t t yields the solutions 3 ± 5 2 \frac{3 \pm \sqrt{5}}{2} , which happen to be the square of the golden ratio and its inverse (namely ϕ 2 \phi^{2} and ϕ 2 \phi^{-2} ). Since we've assumed that a > b a > b , we can conclude that a = ϕ b a = \phi b . Had we assumed the opposite, we would have used the other root we've found.

Substituting a = ϕ b a = \phi b back in the formula for R R :

R = b 2 4 b 2 ϕ 2 b 2 R = \frac {b^{2}}{\sqrt{4b^{2} - \phi^{2} b^{2}}}

Thus:

R 2 = b 4 4 b 2 ϕ 2 b 2 = b 2 4 ϕ 2 R^{2} = \frac {b^{4}}{4b^{2} - \phi^{2} b^{2}} = \frac {b^{2}}{4 - \phi^{2}} .

Now we have all of the information we need in order to calculate a b R 2 \frac {ab} {R^{2}} :

a b R 2 = b ( ϕ b ) b 2 4 ϕ 2 = ϕ ( 4 ϕ 2 ) = ( 5 ) 2.236 \frac {ab} {R^{2}} = \frac{b*(\phi b)}{\frac {b^{2}}{4 - \phi^{2}}} = \phi *(4 - \phi^{2}) = \sqrt(5) \approx 2.236

A different approach than usual . Thanks for sharing this new method .

A Former Brilliant Member - 6 years, 4 months ago

Apart from the solution I have posted, I too have used this method slightly differently.
a b 2 s 1 ( s a ) ( s b ) 2 = R = a 2 b s 2 ( s a ) 2 ( s b ) w h e r e 2 s 1 = a + 2 b , 2 s 2 = 2 a + b . \dfrac{ab^2}{\sqrt{s_1*(s-a)(s-b)^2}}=R=\dfrac{a^2b}{\sqrt{s_2*(s-a)^2(s-b)}}\\ where\ 2s_1=a+2b,\ \ 2s_2=2a+b.

Niranjan Khanderia - 4 years, 4 months ago
Michael Mendrin
Jul 1, 2016

You probably can figure this out from looking at this graphic

Gwen Roberts
Nov 5, 2015

Define b>a, when we rotate so that base b coincides with side b, recognize this as a regular pentagon in a circle radius 1, with side length a. The product ab is (2cos54)(2/sec18) or 2.2359

Moderator note:

Great observation! The regular pentagon occurs with two copies of the triangle being added on.

Thank you!

Gwen Roberts - 5 years, 6 months ago
Lu Chee Ket
Feb 1, 2015

a b/ R^ 2 = Sqrt (5) = 2.2360679774997896964091736687313

Sketch {a, a, b} of side a longer than side b on a circle. Then, sketch {b, b, a} on one side of side a. Label angle B and then angle A according to most usual convention of opposite to b and opposite to a respectively.

Quadrilateral with angle A implies for two angles of (180 d - A) on the first isosceles triangle sketched. Therefore, 2 (180 d - A) + B = 180 d. Rearrange equation:

180 d - A = A - B

Taking Cosine onto both sides,

Cos (180 d - A) = Cos (A - B)

-Cos A = Cos A Cos B + Sin A Sin B

Cos A (1 + Cos B) + Sin A Sin B = 0

Cos B = (a^2 + a^2 - b^2)/ (2 a^2) = (2 a^2 - b^2)/ (2 a^2) while

Cos A = (b^2 + b^2 - a^2)/ (2 b^2) = (2 b^2 - a^2)/ (2 b^2).

Forming right angle triangles for finding values of Sin B and Sin A,

[2 a^2 - b^2, b Sqrt (4 a^2 - b^2), 2 a^2] for B and

[2 b^2 - a^2, a Sqrt (4 b^2 - a^2), 2 b^2] for A all by Pythagoras' theorem.

Sin A = a Sqrt (4 b^2 - a^2)/ (2 b^2) and Sin B = b Sqrt (4 a^2 - b^2)/ (2 a^2)

Substitutes Cos A, Cos B, Sin A and Sin B into Cos A (1 + Cos B) + Sin A Sin B = 0:

(1 - 0.5 a^2/ b^2)(2 - 0.5 b^2/ a^2) + [a Sqrt (4 b^2 - a^2)/ (2 b^2)][b Sqrt (4 a^2 - b^2)/ (2 a^2)]

Denominators (2 a^2)(2 b^2) can be eliminated:

(a^2 - 2 b^2)(4 a^2 - b^2) = a b Sqrt [(4 b^2 - a^2)(4 a^2 - a^2)]

Since (4 a^2 - b^2) = Sqrt (4 a^2 - b^2) Sqrt (4 a^2 - b^2),

(a^2 - 2 b^2) Sqrt (4 a^2 - b^2) = a b Sqrt (4 b^2 - a^2)

(a^4 - 4 a^2 b^2 + 4 b^2)(4 a^2 - b^2) = (a b)^2 (4 b^2 - a^2)

4 a^6 - 16 a^4 b^2 + 16 a^2 b^4 - 4 b^6 = 0

a^6 - 4 a^4 b^2 + 4 a^2 b^4 - b^6 = 0 {The most critical equation of this question.}

(a^2 - b^2)(a^4 - 3 a^2 b^2 + b^4) = 0

(a^2 - b^2)[a^2 - (3 + Sqrt (5))/ 2 b^2] [a^2 - (3 - Sqrt (5))/ 2 b^2]= 0

For a to b of positive ratios only,

a = b OR

a = Sqrt [(3 + Sqrt (5))/2] b = [(Sqrt (5) + 1)/ 2] b = 1.6180339887498948482045868343656 b OR

a = Sqrt [(3 - Sqrt (5))/2] b = [(Sqrt (5) - 1)/ 2] b = 0.6180339887498948482045868343656 b

Since a <>b and a > b, while only two biggest isosceles triangles are concerned,

a = [(Sqrt (5) + 1)/ 2] b = 1.6180339887498948482045868343656 b is the only one.

Cos B= 1 - 0.5 (b/ a)^2

B = 36 d

Triangle with vertex center O and same side angles as {a, a, b} is 72 d. Half of it forming two right angle triangles with angle 36 d at center O.

Let R = 1 unit for convenience of finding ratios,

R Sin 36 d = 0. 5 b

b = 2 R Sin 36 d = 2 Sin 36 = 1.1755705045849462583374119092781

a = (1.6180339887498948482045868343656) (2 Sin 36)

a b / R^2 = (1.6180339887498948482045868343656) (2 Sin 36)^2

a b / R^2 = 2.2360679774997896964091736687313 = Sqrt (5)

With all due respect sir, please use LaTEX in your solution

A Former Brilliant Member - 6 years, 4 months ago

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