Transformation of Roots!

Algebra Level 4

P ( x ) = x 3 3 x + 1 \Large{P(x) = x^3 - 3x+1}

Let Q ( x ) = x 3 + A x 2 + B x + C Q(x) = x^3 + Ax^2 + Bx + C be a polynomial with integer coefficients such that its roots are the fifth powers of the roots of P ( x ) P(x) . Evaluate A + B + C A+B+C .


The answer is -182.

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4 solutions

Satyajit Mohanty
Sep 17, 2015

We'll use the companion matrix (actually we've used the transpose of the companion matrix below, as the determinant of a matrix is equal to the determinant of it's transpose) of the polynomial P ( x ) P(x) namely:

A = ( 0 1 0 0 0 1 1 3 0 ) , A = \begin{pmatrix} 0 & 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 1 \\ -1 & 3 & 0 \end{pmatrix} \quad ,

for which the characteristic polynomial is det ( x I A ) = x 3 3 x + 1 \text{det}(xI-A) = x^3 - 3x + 1 . For each integer k 1 k \geq 1 , the zeroes of the characteristic polynomial of A k A^{k} are the k t h k^{th} powers of the zeroes of P ( x ) P(x) . Taking this into account, we find that Q ( x ) = det ( x I A 5 ) Q(x) = \text{det}(xI-A^5) . It is an easy exercise to see that:

A 5 = ( 3 9 1 1 6 9 9 28 6 ) . A^5 = \begin{pmatrix} -3 & 9 & -1 \\ 1 & -6 & 9 \\ -9 & 28 & -6 \end{pmatrix} \quad .

Thus we have Q ( x ) Q(x) as:

Q ( x ) = det ( x I A 5 ) = x + 3 9 1 1 x + 6 9 9 28 x + 6 = x 3 + 15 x 2 198 x + 1 Q(x) = \text{det}(xI-A^5) = \begin{vmatrix} x+3 & -9 & 1 \\ -1 & x+6 & -9 \\ 9 & -28 & x+6 \end{vmatrix} = x^3 +15x^2 -198x + 1

Thus A = 15 , B = 198 , C = 1 , A + B + C = 182 \quad A=15, \quad B=-198, \quad C=1, \quad A+B+C = \boxed{-182} .

Thanks for the solution. I know there must be a systematic way to solve this.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 5 years, 9 months ago

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Well, your solution is also a systematic one. The solution I have posted will be easier only if one uses a Scientific Calculator. Else, solving it manually is equally tedious as compared to yours.

Satyajit Mohanty - 5 years, 9 months ago

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I use Excel spreadsheet. I was trained as an engineer. Numerical methods are acceptable methods to solve problems.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 5 years, 9 months ago

How exactly are you defining the " companion matrix " for the polynomial P ( x ) P(x) ?

According to both Wikipedia and Wolfram MathWorld, what you've written as A A is actually the transpose of the companion matrix of P ( x ) P(x) .

If you're going to use a non-standard definition, do mention it explicitly in your solution so as to avoid any ambiguity.

Prasun Biswas - 5 years, 8 months ago

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The original companion matrix or it's transpose, both doesn't matter in this problem, as the determinant of a matrix and it's transpose are equal. Still, to avoid ambiguity, I've edited the solution. Thanks :)

Satyajit Mohanty - 5 years, 8 months ago
Chew-Seong Cheong
Sep 17, 2015

Let the roots of P ( x ) P(x) be a a , b b and c c , therefore, the roots of Q ( x ) Q(x) are a 5 a^5 , b 5 b^5 and c 5 c^5 . By Vieta's formulas:

{ a + b + c = 0 a b + b c + c a = 3 a b c = 1 and { A = a 5 + b 5 + c 5 B = a 5 b 5 + b 5 c 5 + c 5 a 5 C = a 5 b 5 c 5 \begin{cases} a + b + c & = 0 \\ ab + bc + ca & = -3 \\ abc & = -1 \end{cases} \quad \text{and} \quad \begin{cases} A = a^5+b^5+c^5 \\ B = a^5b^5 + b^5c^5 + c^5a^5 \\ C = a^5b^5c^5 \end{cases}

\(\begin{array} {} a+b+c = 0 & = 0 \\ a^2+b^2+c^2 = (a+b+c)(a+b+c) - 2(ab+bc+ca) = 0-2(-3) & = 6 \\ a^3+b^3+c^3 = (0) (a^2+b^2+c^2) +3(a+b+c) + 3abc = 0+3(0) +3(-1) & = -3 \\ a^4+b^4+c^4 = 3(a^2+b^2+c^2) -(a+b+c) = 3(6) -(0) & = 18 \\ a^5+b^5+c^5 = 3(a^3+b^3+c^3) -(a^2+b^2+c^2) = 0+3(-3) -(6) & = -15 \end{array} \)

A = 15 \Rightarrow A = 15

Let α = a b \alpha = ab , β = b c \beta = bc and γ = c a \gamma = ca , therefore, B = a 5 b 5 + b 5 c 5 + c 5 a 5 = α 5 + β 5 + γ 5 B = a^5b^5 + b^5c^5 + c^5a^5 = \alpha^5 + \beta^5 + \gamma^5 and, we have:

{ α + β + γ = a b + b c + c a = 3 α β + β γ + γ α = a b 2 c + a b c 2 + a 2 b c = a b c ( a + b + c ) = 0 α β γ = ( a b c ) 2 = 1 \begin{cases} \alpha+\beta+\gamma = ab + bc + ca & = -3 \\ \alpha \beta + \beta \gamma + \gamma \alpha = ab^2c + abc^2 + a^2bc = abc(a+b+ c) & = 0 \\ \alpha \beta \gamma = (abc)^2 & = 1\end{cases}

\(\begin{array} {} \alpha+\beta+\gamma = -3 & = -3 \\ \alpha^2+\beta^2+\gamma^2 = (-3)^2 -2(0) & = 9 \\ \alpha^3 + \beta^3 + \gamma^3 = -3(9) -0+3(1) & = -24 \\ \alpha^4 + \beta^4 + \gamma^4 = -3(-24) + (-3) & = 68 \\ \alpha^5 + \beta^5 + \gamma^5 = -3(69) + 9 & = -198 \end{array} \)

B = 198 \Rightarrow B = -198

C = ( a b c ) 5 = ( 1 ) 5 = 1 C = -(abc)^5 =-(-1)^5 = 1

A + B + C = 15 198 + 1 = 182 \Rightarrow A+B+C = 15-198+1 = \boxed{-182}

Sir, There are a certain number of technical issues in your solution

1) You have written α 3 + β 3 + γ 3 \alpha ^3 + \beta ^3 + \gamma ^3 twice.

2) in the part where you calculate C, you have written C = ( a b c ) 5 " = = ( 1 ) 5 " = 1 C= -(abc)^5 "== (-1)^5" = 1 It should have been C = ( a b c ) 5 = ( 1 ) 5 = 1 C=-(abc)^5= -(-1)^5 =1

Mehul Arora - 5 years, 9 months ago

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Thanks. I have done the changes.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 5 years, 9 months ago

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Glad to help :)

Mehul Arora - 5 years, 9 months ago

@Chew-Seong Cheong Can you observe that:

T 5 = 1 2 ( S 5 2 S 10 ) \large{T_5 = \dfrac12 (S_5^2 - S_{10})}

where

T n = c y c a n b n and S n = c y c a n \large{T_n = \displaystyle \sum_{cyc} a^nb^n \quad \text{ and } \quad S_n = \sum_{cyc} a^n}

Satyajit Mohanty - 5 years, 9 months ago

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Let me check. Is it for all cases in general?

Chew-Seong Cheong - 5 years, 9 months ago

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Can't say, but for three variables a , b , c a,b,c in cyclic mode, yes!

Satyajit Mohanty - 5 years, 9 months ago
Aareyan Manzoor
Sep 19, 2015

i used an excel program to solve, i will explain: by vieta's: P { α + β + γ = 0 α β + β γ + γ α = 3 α β γ = 1 Q { A = ( α 5 + β 5 + γ 5 ) B = ( α β ) 5 + ( β γ ) 5 + ( γ α ) 5 C = ( α β γ ) 5 P\begin{cases} \alpha+\beta+\gamma=0\\ \alpha\beta+\beta\gamma+\gamma\alpha=-3\\ \alpha\beta\gamma=-1 \end{cases} Q \begin{cases} A=-(\alpha^5+\beta^5+\gamma^5)\\ B=(\alpha\beta)^5+(\beta\gamma)^5+(\gamma\alpha)^5\\ C=-(\alpha\beta\gamma)^5 \end{cases} i hope you all know newtons sum, it pretty basic to find A using newtons sum: A = ( α 5 + β 5 + γ 5 ) = ( 15 ) = 15 A=-(\alpha^5+\beta^5+\gamma^5)=-(-15)=15 and C = ( α β γ ) 5 = ( 1 ) 5 = 1 C=-(-\alpha\beta\gamma)^5=-(-1)^5=1 B is the rather fun part. if we consider roots to be, α β , β γ , γ α \alpha\beta,\beta\gamma,\gamma\alpha then { s 1 = α β + β γ + γ α = 3 s 2 = α β ( β γ ) + β γ ( γ α ) + γ α ( α β ) = α β γ ( α + β + γ ) = 1 ( 0 ) = 0 s 3 = α β ( β γ ) ( γ α ) = ( α β γ ) 2 = ( 1 ) 2 = 1 \begin{cases} s_1=\alpha\beta+\beta\gamma+\gamma\alpha=-3\\ s_2=\alpha\beta(\beta\gamma)+\beta\gamma(\gamma\alpha)+\gamma\alpha(\alpha\beta)=\alpha\beta\gamma(\alpha+\beta+\gamma)=-1(0)=0\\ s_3=\alpha\beta(\beta\gamma)(\gamma\alpha)=(\alpha\beta\gamma)^2=(-1)^2=1 \end{cases} putting these values: hence B = ( α β ) 5 + ( β γ ) 5 + ( γ α ) 5 = 192 B=(\alpha\beta)^5+(\beta\gamma)^5+(\gamma\alpha)^5=-192 and A + B + C = 15 192 + 1 = 182 A+B+C=15-192+1=\boxed{-182}

Arturo Presa
Sep 19, 2015

I don't think I am adding anything new, but here is my proof as I obtained it before reading all your interesting solutions. Let x 1 , x 2 , x 3 x_{1}, x_{2}, x_{3} be the roots of P ( x ) P(x) . Then we define S k = x 1 k + x 2 k + x 3 k S_{k}=x_{1}^{k} + x_{2}^{k}+x_{3}^{k} where k k is any non-negative integer number. Using the Newton's sums we obtain the following

\(\begin{array} {} S_{0}=3\\S_{1}=0\\S_{2}=0. S_{1}+3*2=6\\S_{3}=0*S_{2}+3*S_{1}-S_{0}=-3\\S_{4}=0*S_{3}+3*S_{2}-S_{1}=18\\S_{5}=0*S_{4}+3*S_{3}-S_{2}=-15\\S_{6}=0*S_{5}+3*S_{4}-S_{3}=57\\S_{7}=0*S_{6}+3*S_{5}-S_{4}=-63\\S_{8}=0*S_{7}+3*S_{6}-S_{5}=186\\S_{9}=0*S_{8}+3*S_{7}-S_{6}=-246\\S_{10}=0*S_{9}+3*S_{8}-S_{7}=621\end{array}\)

Obviously A = S 5 = 15 A=-S_{5}=15 and C = ( x 1 5 x 2 5 x 3 5 ) = ( x 1 x 2 x 3 ) 5 = ( 1 ) 5 = 1. C=-(x_{1}^{5}*x_{2}^{5}*x_{3}^{5}) =-(x_{1}* x_{2}* x_{3})^5=-(-1)^5=1. Now let us find B

B = x 1 5 x 2 5 + x 1 5 x 3 5 + x 2 5 x 3 5 = 1 2 ( S 5 2 S 10 ) = 1 2 ( ( 15 ) 2 621 ) = 198 B=x_{1}^{5}x_{2}^{5}+x_{1}^{5}x_{3}^{5}+x_{2}^{5}x_{3}^{5}=\frac{1}{2}(S_{5}^2-S_{10})=\frac{1}{2}((-15)^2-621)=-198 So A + B + C = 15 + ( 198 ) + 1 = 182. A+B+C=15+(-198)+1=-182.

Sir will u write newton sum rule in general form and explain it actually I don't know the rule.

Shyambhu Mukherjee - 5 years, 8 months ago

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I think you might want to read about Newton's Identities here in Brilliant.

Arturo Presa - 5 years, 8 months ago

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