Triangle in Square

Geometry Level 4

Square A B C D ABCD has side length 5 5 . Points M M , N N , and P P are the midpoints of A B AB , B C BC , and A D AD respectively. The area of the triangle bounded by the lines A N AN , B P BP , and D M DM can be expressed as p q \dfrac{p}{q} for positive coprime integers p p and q q . Find p + q p+q .


The answer is 29.

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6 solutions

Eloy Machado
Mar 22, 2014

Let AN and DM intersect at R, BP and AN intersect at T and DM and BP intersect at S.

Its easy to get A N = D M = B P = 5 5 2 AN=DM=BP=\frac { 5\sqrt { 5 } }{ 2 } by Pythagorean Theorem.

Also, T T is mid point of A N AN and B P BP , so A T = 5 5 4 . AT=\frac { 5\sqrt { 5 } }{ 4 } .

Again, its easy to see that triangles A D M ADM , A B N ABN and A B P ABP are congruent, then A M ^ D = A N ^ B = A P ^ B A\widehat { M } D=A\widehat { N } B=A\widehat { P } B and A D ^ M = B A ^ N = P B ^ A . A\widehat { D } M=B\widehat { A } N=P\widehat { B } A.

Also D A ^ R = A N ^ B D\widehat { A } R=A\widehat { N } B because A D / / B C AD//BC . As we know B A ^ N + A N ^ B = 90 ° , B\widehat { A } N+A\widehat { N } B=90°, we can get A D ^ M + D A ^ R = 90 ° A\widehat { D } M+D\widehat { A } R=90° and because it, A R AR and D M DM are perpendiculars to each other. The good news is our desired triangle R S T RST is a right triangle!

Now, notice triangles A M D AMD , R M A RMA and R A D RAD are similars, so A M D M = R M A M ( 5 2 ) 2 = R M 5 5 2 R M = 5 2 \frac { AM }{ DM } =\frac { RM }{ AM } \Rightarrow { \left( \frac { 5 }{ 2 } \right) }^{ 2 }=RM\cdot \frac { 5\sqrt { 5 } }{ 2 } \therefore RM=\frac { \sqrt { 5 } }{ 2 }

and

A R A M = A D D M 5 5 2 = A R 5 5 2 A R = 5 . \frac { AR }{ AM } =\frac { AD }{ DM } \Rightarrow 5\cdot \frac { 5 }{ 2 } =AR\cdot \frac { 5\sqrt { 5 } }{ 2 } \therefore AR=\sqrt { 5 } .

By Menelau´s Theorem in triangle A M B AMB with B B , S S and P P in transversal line, we can find M S MS :

A B B M M S S D D P P A = 1 5 5 2 M S 5 5 2 M S 5 2 5 2 = 1 M S = 5 5 6 . \frac { AB }{ BM } \cdot \frac { MS }{ SD } \cdot \frac { DP }{ PA } =1\Rightarrow \frac { 5 }{ \frac { 5 }{ 2 } } \cdot \frac { MS }{ \frac { 5\sqrt { 5 } }{ 2 } -MS } \cdot \frac { \frac { 5 }{ 2 } }{ \frac { 5 }{ 2 } } =1\therefore MS=\frac { 5\sqrt { 5 } }{ 6 } .

Then, in triangle R S T RST , we have

R S = M S R M = 5 5 6 5 2 = 5 3 RS=MS-RM=\frac { 5\sqrt { 5 } }{ 6 } -\frac { \sqrt { 5 } }{ 2 } =\frac { \sqrt { 5 } }{ 3 }

and

R T = A T A R = 5 5 4 5 = 5 4 RT=AT-AR=\frac { 5\sqrt { 5 } }{ 4 } -\sqrt { 5 } =\frac { \sqrt { 5 } }{ 4 }

So, [ R S T ] = 1 2 5 4 5 3 = 5 24 . [RST]=\frac { 1 }{ 2 } \cdot \frac { \sqrt { 5 } }{ 4 } \cdot \frac { \sqrt { 5 } }{ 3 } =\frac { 5 }{ 24 } .

Shouldn't it be Menelaus' theorem in triangle AMD, not AMB?

Seiji Yawata - 7 years, 1 month ago

very good solution,i like it...............................

sourindra debnath - 7 years, 2 months ago

this solution is the best one.... (y)

Shakya Banerjee - 7 years, 2 months ago

I took the same approach as well initially found out RST is a right triangle and wanted to use Menelau's theorem and similar triangles, but then thought solving through equation of lines would be simpler and took that approach. But your solution is awesome, I always like solving problems by pure geometrical techiques to explore the beauty of how perfect were the primitive methods and wanted to think how problems would have been solved before Leibniz, Newton, others invented calculus.

John Samuel - 7 years, 2 months ago
Tunk-Fey Ariawan
Mar 17, 2014

Line D M DM , B P BP , and A N AN can be represented as functions D M y = 2 x B P 2 y = x + 5 A N 2 y = 10 x \begin{aligned} DM&&\Rightarrow &&y=2x\\ BP&&\Rightarrow &&2y=x+5\\ AN&&\Rightarrow &&2y=10-x\\ \end{aligned} The intersection points those three lines are ( 5 3 , 10 3 ) \left(\dfrac{5}{3},\dfrac{10}{3}\right) , ( 5 2 , 15 4 ) \left(\dfrac{5}{2},\dfrac{15}{4}\right) , and ( 2 , 4 ) (2,4) . Thus, by using Wolfram Alpha , the area of the triangle bounded by the lines D M DM , B P BP , and A N AN is Triangle in Square Triangle in Square Therefore, p + q = 29 p+q=\boxed{29} .

Your Wolfram Alpha solution is less than satisfying, sorry to say. Try not to depend on W|A too much ;)

Instead, you could have used the Shoelace Theorem. I myself used similar triangles though...

Daniel Liu - 7 years, 2 months ago

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Did you think I didn't know that formula? I've used that formula many times on Brilliant. You can check from my solutions that I've posted. I only use Wolfram Alpha when I know how to solve problems but too lazy to use manual calculation. BTW, do you think if I copy this problem & paste it on the input, Wolfram Alpha could answer it? If that so, you may not be satisfied and say, "Try not to depend on W|A too much". :D

Tunk-Fey Ariawan - 7 years, 2 months ago

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I feel like you guys are both extremely mad trying to insult each other in the nicest possible way.

Robert Fritz - 7 years, 2 months ago

It doesnt depend on how one solves the question. He got correct answer, that matters.

Satyam Bhardwaj - 7 years, 2 months ago

daniel liu: share your solution too as i find the shared solution as the easiest way to solve this problem.

Prateek Parashar - 7 years, 2 months ago

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Totally agree. Daniel liu is probably pissed off seeing that we solved it a easier way. :-)

Satyam Bhardwaj - 7 years, 2 months ago

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Nah, I'm not angry. I knew clearly that coordinate bashing worked, but still decided to post the problem because I was hoping some people would solve it some other way.

Daniel Liu - 7 years, 2 months ago

finding the equations of lines and then ponts intersection and finally the area of traingle is the easiest and best way, which I have used to solve this.

Vishnu Prasad Tentwal - 7 years, 2 months ago

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can you post the solution ? BTW is it possible for solving the question only by considering the areas of triangles and adding and subtracting and other manipulations.

KRANTHI KIRAN KONDAPALLI - 7 years, 2 months ago

I use the same method, by I calculate it by myself

Muh. Amin Widyatama - 7 years, 2 months ago

see the area is an irrational number with a sqrt(3) in it this problem framing is wrong you should have asked to use the first three or four decimal places but not the entire value

Chaitanya Reddy - 7 years, 2 months ago
Raven Herd
Mar 24, 2014

The area of all the given triangles viz ABN,AMD,APB is same i.e. in the form of p/q.The side of the square is 5 and it's mid-point is 2.5 therefore,the area of each triangle given above is 1/2 2.5(height) 5(side)=125/20 =25/4.The required answer is p+q i.e 25+4=29.

this solution is wrong !!!!!!!

Shakya Banerjee - 7 years, 2 months ago

correct

Umer Rauf - 7 years, 2 months ago

This is easiest and good solution,I agree. Congratulations Raven Herd.

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Krishna Garg - 7 years, 2 months ago

the area of the triangle was 5/24, not 25/4

Jae Won Shin - 7 years, 2 months ago

The area of small triangle is being asked and you just found out any area added the numerator and denominator. Fortunately they matched and so you considered yourself as correct. Have a look again at the question and your solution.

vishwash kumar - 4 years, 7 months ago
Al Imran
Mar 22, 2014

Let, AN and BP intersect at O, AN and DM intersect at F, DM and BP intersect at E. \text{Let, AN and BP intersect at O, AN and DM intersect at F, DM and BP intersect at E.} In N A B , tan N A B = 1 2 and N A B = P B A ; a n g l e A N B = O B N = π 2 N A B \text{In }\bigtriangleup NAB\text{, }\tan \angle NAB =\frac{1}{2}\text{ and }\angle NAB = \angle PBA\text{ ; }angle ANB = \angle OBN=\frac{\pi}{2}-\angle NAB Therefore, AO=OB=ON=OP= A N 2 = A B 2 cos N A B = 5 5 4 \text{Therefore, AO=OB=ON=OP=}\frac{AN}{2}=\frac{AB}{2 \cos \angle NAB}=\frac{5\sqrt{5}}{4} and N O B = π 2 O B N = 2 N A B \text{ and }\angle NOB=\pi-2 \angle OBN =2\angle NAB . In, A M F we have, AF= A M cos N A B = 5 . Therefore, OF=OA-AF= 5 4 \text{In, }\bigtriangleup AMF\text{ we have, AF=}AM\cos \angle NAB=\sqrt{5} \text{. Therefore, OF=OA-AF=}\frac{\sqrt{5}}{4} In, O E F we have, E O F = N O B and, OE=OF tan N O B = 5 3 \text{In, }\bigtriangleup OEF\text{ we have, }\angle EOF =\angle NOB\text{ and, OE=OF} \tan \angle NOB=\frac{\sqrt{5}}{3} Thus, area of O E F = O E × O F 2 = 5 24 \text{Thus, area of }\bigtriangleup OEF =\frac{OE\times OF}{2} =\frac{5}{24} Therefore p+q= 29 \text{Therefore p+q=}\boxed{29}

very good

sourindra debnath - 7 years, 2 months ago
Vishal Ch
Mar 30, 2014

Use co ordinate geometry guys, find the eqn. of 3 line that form the triangle and the intersections pts. are (2,4),(5/3,10/3),(5/2,15/4). Find the area of triamgle and solve this problem

Ali Murtaza
Mar 31, 2014

Area of any triangle= (1/2)(5)(5/2) =25/4 =p/q =25+4 =29

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