Tricky altitudes

Geometry Level 5

Δ A B C \Delta ABC is an isosceles triangle with A C = B C AC = BC and A B = 2 AB = 2 . D D is the midpoint of A B AB . The ratio of the radii of it's inscribed circle (radius is r 1 r_1 ) and circumscribed circle (radius is r 2 r_2 ) is 3 : 8 3:8 .

Two different triangles can be formed under these conditions. In one triangle the square of length C D CD is an integer a a , in the other the square of length C D CD can be expressed as m n \frac{m}{n} , where m m and n n are coprime positive integers.

What is the value of a + m + n a + m + n ?


The answer is 31.

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8 solutions

Parth Dhar
Jan 2, 2016

An easy geometrical solution

Let A C = B C = x AC=BC=x

Using r = Δ s r=\frac { \Delta }{ s } and R = a b c 4 Δ R=\frac { abc }{ 4\Delta } , where s = a + b + c 2 s=\frac { a+b+c }{ 2 } and Δ 2 = s ( s a ) ( s b ) ( s c ) = s ( b + c a ) ( a + c b ) ( a + b c ) 8 { \Delta }^{ 2 }=s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)=\frac { s(b+c-a)(a+c-b)(a+b-c) }{ 8 }

Now since

r R = 3 8 \frac { r }{ R } =\frac { 3 }{ 8 }

4 Δ 2 s a b c = 3 8 \Leftrightarrow \frac { 4{ \Delta }^{ 2 } }{ sabc } =\frac { 3 }{ 8 }

( b + c a ) ( a + c b ) ( a + b c ) a b c = 3 4 \Leftrightarrow \frac { (b+c-a)(a+c-b)(a+b-c) }{ abc } =\frac { 3 }{ 4 }

( 2 x 2 ) ( 2 ) ( 2 ) 2 x 2 = 3 4 \Leftrightarrow \frac { (2x-2)(2)(2) }{ 2{ x }^{ 2 } } =\frac { 3 }{ 4 }

16 ( x 1 ) = 3 x 2 \Leftrightarrow 16(x-1)=3{ x }^{ 2 }

3 x 2 16 x + 16 = 0 \Leftrightarrow 3{ x }^{ 2 }-16x+16=0

( 3 x 4 ) ( x 4 ) = 0 \Leftrightarrow (3x-4)(x-4)=0

x = 3 4 x = 4 \Leftrightarrow x=\frac { 3 }{ 4 } \vee x=4

From Apollonius Theorem,

A C 2 + B C 2 = 2 ( C D 2 + A D 2 ) { AC }^{ 2 }+{ BC }^{ 2 }=2({ CD }^{ 2 }+{ AD }^{ 2 })

2 x 2 = 2 ( C D 2 + 1 ) \Leftrightarrow 2x^{ 2 }=2({ CD }^{ 2 }+1)

C D 2 = x 2 1 \Leftrightarrow { CD }^{ 2 }={ x }^{ 2 }-1

C D 2 = 15 7 9 \Leftrightarrow { CD }^{ 2 }=15\vee \frac { 7 }{ 9 }

a = 15 a n d m n = 7 9 \therefore a=15\quad and\quad \frac { m }{ n } =\frac { 7 }{ 9 }

a + m + n = 31 \Rightarrow a+m+n=31

Hello Parth,

I did not think of using Stewart's/Apollonius' theorem. Really nice, so thank you for sharing your solution.

Hope you liked the problem.

Thanks for your contribution, Patrick

Patrick Heebels - 5 years, 5 months ago
Patrick Heebels
Jan 1, 2016

An analytical approach

Choose a Cartesian coordinate system with D as it's origin, points A and B on the x -axis such that A ( 1 , 0 ) A(-1,0) and B ( 1 , 0 ) B(1,0) . Point C is on the y -axis such that C ( 0 , c ) C(0,c) . G is the center of the inscribed circle, F is the center of the circumscribed circle and E is the midpoint of BC .

A vector equation of E F EF is E F : ( 1 2 1 2 c ) + λ ( c 1 ) EF: \binom{\frac{1}{2}}{\frac{1}{2}c} + \lambda \cdot \binom{c}{1}

The x -coordinate of F is 0, so: 1 2 + λ c = 0 λ = 1 2 c \frac{1}{2} + \lambda \cdot c = 0 \Rightarrow \lambda = -\frac{1}{2c}

It follows that: F = ( 0 , 1 2 c 1 2 c ) = ( 0 , c 2 1 2 c ) F = \big(0 , \frac{1}{2}c - \frac{1}{2c}\big) = \big(0 , \frac{c^2-1}{2c}\big)

and: C F = c c 2 1 2 c = c 2 + 1 2 c CF = c - \frac{c^2-1}{2c} = \frac{c^2+1}{2c}

Let D G = h DG = h , so G ( 0 , h ) G(0,h) , then the distance from G to BC is: d ( G , B C ) = h c c 2 + 1 d(G, BC) = \frac{\mid h-c \mid}{\sqrt{c^2+1}}

This results in: h = h c c 2 + 1 D G = h = 1 + c 2 + 1 c ( because h < c ) h = \frac{\mid h-c \mid}{\sqrt{c^2+1}} \Rightarrow DG = h = \frac{-1 + \sqrt{c^2+1}}{c} \quad (\text{because} \; h < c)

We know that the ratio of the radii r 1 : r 2 = 3 : 8 r_1 : r_2 = 3 : 8 , so 8 D G = 3 C F 8 \cdot DG = 3 \cdot CF or 8 h = 3 C F 8h = 3 \cdot CF , so:

8 + 8 c 2 + 1 c = 3 c 2 + 1 2 c 16 + 16 c 2 + 1 = 3 c 2 + 3 16 c 2 + 1 = 3 c 2 + 19 9 c 4 142 c 2 + 105 = 0 9 ( c 2 ) 2 142 c 2 + 105 = 0 ( 9 c 2 7 ) ( c 2 15 ) = 0 c 2 = 7 9 c 2 = 15 \begin{aligned} & \quad \frac{-8+8\sqrt{c^2+1}}{c} = 3 \cdot \frac{c^2+1}{2c} \\ \Leftrightarrow & \quad -16 + 16\sqrt{c^2+1} = 3c^2+3 \\ \Leftrightarrow & \quad 16\sqrt{c^2+1} = 3c^2+19 \\ \Leftrightarrow & \quad 9c^4 - 142c^2 + 105 = 0 \\ \Leftrightarrow & \quad 9(c^2)^2 - 142c^2 + 105 = 0 \\ \Leftrightarrow & \quad (9c^2 - 7)(c^2 - 15) = 0 \\ \Leftrightarrow & \quad c^2 = \frac{7}{9} \vee c^2 = 15 \end{aligned}

Because C D = c CD = c the values we're interested in are a = 15 a = 15 and m n = 7 9 \frac{m}{n} = \frac{7}{9} and therefore the desired sum is: a + m + n = 15 + 7 + 9 = 31 a + m + n = 15 + 7 + 9 = 31

Moderator note:

It is easier to calculate the radii in terms of A C B = γ ACB = \gamma . For example, by the extended sine rule, we get 2 R = A B sin γ 2R = \frac{AB} { \sin \gamma } . The inradius is given by tan 180 γ 2 = r A B / 2 \tan \frac{180 - \gamma}{2} = \frac{r}{ AB/2} .

We can then set up the equation to solve for A C B \angle ACB .

The problem can be more easily solved using cosine rule! . It will reduce a lot of calculation work :)

Prakhar Bindal - 5 years, 5 months ago

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Hello Prakhar,

Great to hear that! Please share your solution in detail as it seems to be different from the posted ones so far, so we can all benefit from it.

Kind regards, Patrick

Patrick Heebels - 5 years, 5 months ago

Yes I also used simple trigonometry.

Kushagra Sahni - 5 years, 5 months ago

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Hello Kushagra,

Great to hear that! Please share your solution in detail as it seems to be different from the posted ones so far, so we can all benefit from it. Hopefully it will even be different to the one Prakhar had in mind.

Kind regards, Patrick

Patrick Heebels - 5 years, 5 months ago
Daniel Liu
Jan 2, 2016

A solution without much calculation:

Let R , r R, r be the circumradius, inradius of A B C \triangle ABC respectively. We know that F G 2 = R ( R 2 r ) FG^2=R(R-2r) . Letting r = 3 x r=3x and R = 8 x R=8x , we see F G 2 = 8 x ( 8 x 6 x ) = 16 x 2 F G = 4 x FG^2=8x(8x-6x)=16x^2\implies FG=4x . Therefore, F D = F G ± r = 4 x ± 3 x = 7 x or x FD = FG \pm r = 4x\pm 3x = 7x\text{ or } x depending on which side D D is on.

We know that A D = 1 2 A B = 1 AD=\dfrac{1}{2}AB=1 .

If D D is closer to G G than F F , then by Pythagorean Theorem on F A D \triangle FAD , 1 = A D 2 = F A 2 F D 2 = ( 8 x ) 2 ( 7 x ) 2 = 15 x 2 x 2 = 1 15 1=AD^2 =FA^2-FD^2 =(8x)^2-(7x)^2=15x^2\implies x^2=\dfrac{1}{15} In this case C D 2 = ( R + F D ) 2 = 225 x 2 = 15 CD^2 = (R+FD)^2=225x^2 = \boxed{15} .

If D D is closer to F F than G G , then by Pythagorean Theorem on F A D \triangle FAD , 1 = A D 2 = F A 2 F D 2 = ( 8 x ) 2 x 2 = 63 x 2 x 2 = 1 63 1=AD^2 =FA^2-FD^2 =(8x)^2-x^2=63x^2\implies x^2=\dfrac{1}{63} In this case C D 2 = ( R F D ) 2 = 49 x 2 = 7 9 CD^2 = (R-FD)^2=49x^2 = \boxed{\dfrac{7}{9}} .

So a = 15 a=15 , m = 7 m=7 and n = 9 n=9 which gives our final answer of 15 + 7 + 9 = 31 15+7+9=\boxed{31} .

Hello Daniel,

Thank you for your solution. I really like your approach using Euler's theorem in geometry for the distance between the circumcentre F and the incentre G .

Hope you liked the problem.

Thanks for your contribution, Patrick

Patrick Heebels - 5 years, 5 months ago
Daren Wong
Jan 3, 2016

From the diagram, we can see that t a n θ = r tan \theta = r and t a n 2 θ = C D tan 2 \theta = CD . We can also find out that s i n 4 θ = 1 R sin 4 \theta = \frac {1}{R} . Since we know that R = 8 3 r R = \frac {8}{3} r , we can then substitute r = t a n θ r = tan \theta into s i n 4 θ = 3 8 r sin 4 \theta = \frac {3}{8r} . Thus, we get s i n 4 θ = 3 8 t a n θ sin 4 \theta = \frac {3}{8 tan \theta} . Expand s i n 4 θ sin 4 \theta into the form 4 s i n θ c o s θ ( 1 2 s i n 2 θ ) 4 sin \theta cos \theta (1 - 2sin^2 \theta) and t a n θ tan \theta to s i n θ c o s θ \frac {sin \theta}{cos \theta} . Put them back into the equation and c o s θ cos \theta will cancel out nicely leaving a quadratic equation in terms of s i n 2 θ sin^2 \theta which is 4 s i n 2 θ ( 1 2 s i n 2 θ ) = 3 8 4 sin^2 \theta (1-2sin^2 \theta) = \frac {3}{8} . Solve the equation and obtain the two values of θ \theta . Then, put them back into the equation C D = t a n 2 θ CD = tan 2 \theta and square it and you will get 7 9 \frac {7}{9} and 15 15 .

The same

Ahmed Moh AbuBakr - 5 years, 5 months ago
Alan Yan
Jan 2, 2016

Denote the area by K K .

A C = B C = a , A B = 2 s = a + 1 AC = BC = a , AB = 2 \implies s = a + 1 . By Heron's Formula, we have K = s ( s a ) ( s b ) ( s c ) = a 2 1 K = \sqrt{s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)} = \sqrt{a^2-1} Thus, we have r s = a 2 1 r = a 2 1 a + 1 a b c 4 R = a 2 1 R = a 2 2 a 2 1 \begin{aligned} rs & = \sqrt{a^2 - 1} \implies r = \frac{\sqrt{a^2 - 1}}{a+1} \\ \frac{abc}{4R} & = \sqrt{a^2 - 1} \implies R = \frac{a^2}{2\sqrt{a^2-1}} \end{aligned}

Since R r = 8 3 \frac{R}{r} = \frac{8}{3} , we have R r = a 2 2 a 2 1 a 2 1 a + 1 = 8 3 3 a 2 16 a + 16 = 0 a = 4 3 , 4 \frac{R}{r} = \frac{\frac{a^2}{2\sqrt{a^2-1}}}{\frac{\sqrt{a^2-1}}{a+1}} = \frac{8}{3} \implies 3a^2 - 16a + 16 = 0 \implies a = \frac{4}{3}, 4

Observe that the desired value is a 2 1 a^2 - 1 . The answer follows from substituting a a in.

Hello Alan,

I really like all the different solutions. Thanks for sharing your clever approach! Hope you liked the problem.

Thanks for your contribution, Patrick

Patrick Heebels - 5 years, 5 months ago

Sorry, but I'm still learning LaTeX.

M Dub
Jan 7, 2016

I solved the same way as Daniel Liu.

Carlos Victor
Jan 7, 2016

My solution is identical to the Daniel Liu

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