Tricky hit

A wooden stick of length \ell is balanced vertically in a cup on a table. Your job is to hit the stick so that the bottom end of the stick comes out of the cup without touching the cup. If you strike it too low (close to the cup), the bottom of the stick will move forward and hit the wall of the cup. If you strike it too high, the bottom of the stick will move backward and hit the wall of the cup.

What is the distance h h from the top that you should hit the stick so that the bottom of the stick moves vertically upwards, not touching the cup?

Express the distance as h = a , h=a\ell, and give your answer as a a to 3 decimal places.


The answer is 0.333.

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We wish to apply a force F F such that the acceleration of the bottom of the stick is zero. This acceleration is a combination of acceleration due to translation of the center of mass, and rotation about the center of mass of the stick: a 1 2 α = 0. a - \tfrac12\ell\alpha = 0. The linear acceleration is a = F / m a = F/m . For the rotational acceleration, we consider the torque τ = F d \tau = Fd with d = 1 2 h d = \tfrac12\ell - h , and the rotational inertia I = 1 12 m 2 I = \tfrac1{12}m\ell^2 . Thus α = τ I = F ( 1 2 h ) 1 12 m 2 = 12 ( 1 2 h / ) F m . \alpha = \frac\tau I = \frac{F(\tfrac12\ell - h)}{\tfrac1{12}m\ell^2} = 12(\tfrac12 - h/\ell)\ \frac F {m\ell}. Substituting this into the first equation, we obtain F m 6 ( 1 2 h ) F m = 0 ; F m ( 1 3 + 6 h ) = 0 6 h = 2 h = 1 3 . \frac F m - 6 \ell\left(\tfrac12 - \frac h \ell\right)\ \frac F{m\ell} = 0; \\ \frac F m\left(1 - 3 + 6 \frac h \ell\right) = 0 \\ 6 \frac h \ell = 2 \\ h = \boxed{\frac 13} \ell.

However I intuitively thought at first glance that 1/3 was the right answer, I realized that this might indeed be a mistake.

In your demonstration F accounts equally for the linear acceleration at the center of mass AND at the point of contact (wich is at a distance d of the center of gravity along the vertical axis). This pose an "obvious" problem of conservation of energy (F accounts equally for the rotational momentum and for the linear momentum which would result in an over unity total output energy, strange!)

Indeed, using an other method accounting for this issue, I got a= (2-√2)/2=0.293... . Let me know if I am wrong or if you want me to detail my demonstration (I am not confident about this result actually but I am almost sure that 1/3 is not the right answer).

DOUARVILLE-BLAISE Jean-Philippe - 3 years, 7 months ago

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I don't quite understand what you mean here with a problem with conservation of energy. Perhaps this helps: as the center of mass moves over distance Δ x \Delta x , the point of contact moves over distance 4 3 Δ x \tfrac43\Delta x . Thus the amount of work done by force F F is equal to W = 4 3 F Δ x = F Δ x + 1 3 F Δ x = F Δ x + ( 1 6 F ) ( Δ x 1 2 ) . W = \tfrac43F\Delta x = F\Delta x + \tfrac13F\Delta x = F\Delta x + (\tfrac16F\ell)\left(\frac{\Delta x}{\tfrac12\ell}\right). The first term accounts for the energy 1 2 m v 2 = F Δ x \tfrac12mv^2 = F\Delta x in the translation of the stick; the second term accounts for the energy 1 2 I ω 2 = τ Δ θ \tfrac12I\omega^2 = \tau\Delta \theta in the rotation of the stick.

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 3 years, 7 months ago
Laszlo Mihaly
Sep 24, 2017

We hit the stick with a horizontal force F F for a short time of Δ t \Delta t . The momentum is p = F Δ t p= F \Delta t . The velocity of the center of mass will be F Δ t = p / m F\Delta t=p/m , horizontally forward. If we hit the rod at a distance l / 2 l/2 from the top (i.e. we hit the center of mass) every point of the rod moves with this velocity.

Our goal is to create a "forward" rotation for the rod, so that the bottom moves backward and the top moves forward. More precisely, we want the bottom to move backward with a velocity of v = v v'=-v relative to the center of mass. We can achieve this if we hit the stick at a distance h = a l h=al that is less than l / 2 l/2 from the top.

The torque around the center of mass is τ = F ( l / 2 h ) = F l ( 1 / 2 a ) \tau=F (l/2-h)=F l(1/2-a) . The corresponding change in angular momentum is F l ( 12 / a ) Δ t F l(12/-a) \Delta t . The moment of inertia of the rod is 1 12 m l 2 \frac{1}{12} ml^2 , and the angular momentum after the kick is 1 12 m l 2 ω = l ( 1 / 2 a ) F Δ t \frac{1}{12} ml^2 \omega = l(1/2-a) F \Delta t . Since F Δ t = m v F\Delta t = mv we get

1 12 m l 2 ω = l ( 1 2 a ) m v \frac{1}{12} ml^2 \omega = l(\frac{1}{2}-a) mv .

Due to the rotational motion the bottom of the stick will move backwards with a velocity of v = ω l 2 v'=-\omega \frac{l}{2} relative to the center of mass. Our goal is the have no horizontal velocity component for the bottom of the stick. The is achieved if ω l 2 = v \omega \frac {l}{2} = v . Inserting that to the equation above yields a = 1 / 3 = 0.333 a=1/3=0.333

Notes

  • We assumed that the force F F was constant during the time Δ t \Delta t . The result is the same if the force is time dependent, but we have to use F d t \int F dt instead of F Δ t F \Delta t . In either case the time of collision must be much less than 1 / ω 1/\omega (i.e. the stick does not move significantly during the collision).

  • If you want to try this, mark up a yardstick for the proper hitting point. Place a little bit of play-dough to the bottom of the cup and press the yardstick into it so that it stands vertical. Hit with a shorter, more massive stick.

  • As the center of mass moves horizontally (at least initially) and the end point of the stick makes a circular potion around the center, the orbit of the end point will be a cycloid. The figure below illustrates the motion of the center of mass (blue) and the end point (yellow). The tip of the arrow represents the end point of the stick. Right after the hitting of the stick the end point moves vertically upwards.

@Laszlo Mihaly how will the stick move vertical without banging the wall of the cup? Can you send a demonstration?

ritik agrawal - 3 years, 8 months ago

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Yes, I have done this many times and it works. Read the second note in my solution. I have also added a graph to my solution to illustrate the orbit of the end-point.

Laszlo Mihaly - 3 years, 8 months ago

It doesn't move straight up but in a somewhat circular motion.

Don Banville - 3 years, 6 months ago

@Laszlo Mihaly bro how will the stick move up ?? Read the question that you have made .

Parth Bhardwaj - 3 years, 8 months ago

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Two answers: 1. After the collision the center of mass moves horizontally, while the whole stick rotates around the center of mass. That will pull up the bottom end of the stick. 2. Try it, and you will see that it works.

Las Miha - 3 years, 8 months ago

Nice; but the transversal size and height of the cup should enter the complete solution (to know if we actually succeed or not).

M Bertola - 3 years, 6 months ago

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Sure, you are right. If the cup is too narrow and too deep, it will not work.

Laszlo Mihaly - 3 years, 6 months ago

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