Trillian's Mice

Trillian keeps pet mice. If four mice are chosen at random (without replacement), the probability that two are white is twice the probability that none are white. Given further that Trillian has only two white mice, how many mice does she have altogether?


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The answer is 7.

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13 solutions

Caleb Stanford
Feb 3, 2014

Let b b be the number of black mice. Since there are two white mice, the probability that two of the four mice are white is ( b 2 ) ( b + 2 4 ) \frac{{b \choose 2}}{{b + 2 \choose 4}} And the probability that none of the four mice are white is ( b 4 ) ( b + 2 4 ) \frac{{b \choose 4}}{{b + 2 \choose 4}} Hence, we must have ( b 2 ) = 2 ( b 4 ) b ( b 1 ) 2 = b ( b 1 ) ( b 2 ) ( b 3 ) 12 b ( b 1 ) ( b 2 ) ( b 3 ) 6 b ( b 1 ) = 0 b ( b 1 ) ( b 2 5 b + 6 6 ) = 0 b 2 ( b 1 ) ( b 5 ) = 0 \begin{aligned} {b \choose 2} &= 2 {b \choose 4} \\ \frac{b(b-1)}{2} &= \frac{b(b-1)(b-2)(b-3)}{12} \\ b(b-1)(b-2)(b-3) - 6b(b-1) &= 0 \\ b(b-1)( b^2 - 5b + 6 - 6) &= 0 \\ b^2(b-1)(b-5) &= 0 \\ \end{aligned} Therefore, b = 0 b = 0 , b = 1 b = 1 , or b = 5 b = 5 . In order for the probabilities used in the question to be defined (i.e. not 0 0 \frac00 ), we must have b 2 b \ge 2 ; hence b = 5 b = 5 . The number of mice is 5 + 2 = 7 5 + 2 = \boxed{7} .

The number of mouses of other colors is at least 4. So I tried with 4, then 5.... and got the answer. Its 2/7 and 1/7. :D

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that is mice not mouses! no offence

Saswat24 Das - 7 years, 4 months ago

lol nice

Caleb Stanford - 7 years, 4 months ago

Nice explanation. I'd like to add that doing away with the common term b ( b 1 ) 2 \frac{b(b-1)}{2} from both sides of the equation results in simpler terms and quicker solution. You could edit your post accordingly.

MILIND CHANGIRE - 7 years, 3 months ago

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I don't agree. In general to solve a polynomial eqaution (say for instance x 2 + x = 3 x 3 x^2 + x = 3x^3 , factoring out an x x requires the justification that x 0 x \ne 0 ; in other words, you're losing some answers by dividing out by a common term. Here I prefer to leave the b ( b 1 ) b(b-1) in because dividing by them requires the justification that b 0 , 1 b \ne 0, 1 . I think it's more correct and also more interesting to obtain all possible integer solutions, and then to decide at the end which of those solutions are valid.

Caleb Stanford - 7 years, 3 months ago

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but you can establish that x more than or equals to 2 from the beginning, thereby allowing cancellation

Wuu Yyiizzhhoouu - 6 years, 6 months ago
Mietantei Conan
Feb 20, 2014

Let the number of mice be n n . Only two of them are white. This implies that n 2 n-2 are not white. See in 4 selections for white mice we have 2 selections fixed and we have to choose 2 2 out of n 2 n-2 which is given by ( n 2 ) C 2 (n-2)C2 . For none are white we have to select 4 4 out of number of mice that are not white which is n 2 n-2 and it is given by ( n 2 ) C 4 (n-2)C4 . It is given that 2 ( n 2 ) C 4 2*(n-2)C4 = ( n 2 ) C 2 (n-2)C2 . On simplification we get 6 = ( n 4 ) ( n 5 ) 6=(n-4)(n-5) . By solving this we get n = 7 n=7
Note: In this problem probablity was given but the total number of selections i.e. n C 4 nC4 will get cancelled out from our equation.

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mary ann flores - 7 years, 3 months ago
Omar Obeya
Feb 3, 2014

Probability of 2 white rats = 2 * Probability of 0 white rats

Possiblities of 2 white rats = 2 * Possiblities of 0 white rats

(n-2)!/ (2! (n-2-2)!) = 2 * (n-2)!/ (4! (n-2-4)!)

(n-4)!/(n-6)! = 6

(n-4)*(n-5) = 6

This means n-4 and n-5 are two consecutive integers whose product is 6, obviously they are 2 and 3.

so n-5 = 2

n = 7

Mrinmoy Kundu
Jun 14, 2015

assuming that total number of mice is n, the probability of getting two white mice out of four is [(n-2)C2]/[nC4] and getting no white mice at all is presumably [(n-2)C4]/[nC4]. After making a equation by using the relation of this two arguments, the value of n implies 7.

Amr Gallab
Jul 7, 2014

Let x be the total no. of mice .

The no. of ways of choosing 4 mice with 2 white mice included are ( x - 2 ) C ( 2 )

The no. of ways of choosing 4 mice which are not white are ( x - 2 ) C ( 4 )

Therefore ( from the given of the problem ) : ( x - 2 ) C ( 2 ) = 2 ( ( x - 2 ) C ( 4 ) )

Then : ( ( x - 2 ) ! ) / ( ( 2 ! ) ( ( x - 4 ) ! ) ) = ( 2 ( ( x - 2 ) ! ) ) / ( ( 4 ! ) ( ( x - 4 ) ! ) )

After simplifying this , you will end up with a quadratic equation giving you two answers : x = 2 or 7 The right answer is 7 because there are obviously more than 2 mice in the problem ;) :)

Sai Teja Ravi
Feb 17, 2014

Let us take number of mice that are not white as 'x' . Given , Number of white mice Trillian has are 2. Total number of mice then becomes : x+2. Number of ways of selecting 4 mice randomly without replacement can be done in (x+2)C4 ways . Probable number of ways of getting Exactly two white mice in the four chosen in 2C2 * xC2. So the probabaility of getting exactly two white mice out of 4 randomly picked is given as xC2 / (x+2)C4. [ Since 2C2 is 1.] Now ,number of probable ways of getting no white at all ,out of 4 chosen is xC4. So probabilty of getting no white mice out of 4 randomly picked is given as xC4 / (x+2)C4. Given that ,xC2/(x+2)C4 = 2 * xC4 / (x+2)C4. solving above we getas x= 5, whcih is number of mice that are not white. So,total number of mice will be 7

Suyash Chandak
Feb 9, 2014

Let n be the no of black mice No of ways she can choose 2 white mice = 2C2 X nC2 No of ways she can choose 0 white mice = nC4 => nC2 = 2 X nC4 => nC2 > nC4 => n-4 > 2-0 => n = 5 (SO we don't need to actually solve the equation)

hence no of mice equals 7

Suyash Chandak - 7 years, 4 months ago
Mukit Chowdhury
Feb 5, 2014

Let number of mouse all together = n

The probability that two are white , p2 = ( 2 2 ) × ( n 2 2 ) ( n 4 ) \frac{{2 \choose 2} \times {n-2 \choose 2}} {{n \choose 4}}

The probability that none is white , p0 = ( 2 0 ) × ( n 2 4 ) ( n 4 ) \frac{{2 \choose 0} \times {n-2 \choose 4}} {{n \choose 4}}

Now it's given that, p2 = 2 × p 0 2 \times p0

After solving this we get n = 2 or n = 7

But here 4 mice are chosen, so n must be greater than or equal to 4. So answer is 7.

Amlan Mishra
Feb 4, 2014

{1x C( n-2 , 2)} / C(n,4) = 2 x {C( n-2 , 4 )} / C(n,4)

Solving, we get,

(n-4)(n-5) = 3 x 2

By comparing, we get n = 7

Agnes Fung
Feb 4, 2014

I did this by drawing a tree diagram of all the possible combinations. Picking out the combinations of four containing 2 white mice would be: WWNN, WNWN, WNNW, NWWN, NWNW, NNWW. Given that there are two white mice, the first branch of W is 2 / x 2/x and the first branch of N x 2 / x x-2/x .

Continuing this, obtain the probability of getting two white mice would be \( \frac{2}{x*(x-1)} \times 6

Probability of getting no white mice = \frac{(x-4)(x-5)}{x(x-1)}

Put that into the equation with \frac{(x-4)*(x-5)}{x*(x-1)} \times 2 = \frac{2}{x*(x-1)} \times 6

Solve by expanding and factorizing. There should be two brackets of (x-2) and (x-7), but as four mice are chosen there cannot be less than four in total. Therefore the answer is 7 mice. \)

Let, No: of white mice be w, No: of other mice be r and Total no: of mice be n

Given, C(w,2)*C(r,2) = 2 * C(r,4)

Also given, w=2

C(r,2)=2*C(r,4)

Solving it we get,

r=5

Now n=w+r n=2+5=7

Suren Raju
Feb 4, 2014

Let there be N mice out of which, there are 2 white mice. There are 6 ways of drawing 2 white mice from 4 mice. In each case the probability of drawing 2 white mice is 2/(N (N-1). Therefore the probability of drawing 2 white mice out of four is 12/N(N-1). The probability of not drawing any white mice from 4 mice is ((N-2)/N) (N-3)/(N-1) (N-4)/(N-2) (N-5)/(N-3). Since the first probability is twice the second, we have (N-4)*(N-5) = 6 which implies N= 7 or N=2.since there are 2 white mice, N=2 is discarded. Hence N= 7

Aditya Joshi
Feb 3, 2014

Let Trillian have n n mice.

Now, the probability that the 2 2 out of the 4 4 drawn mice are white is The mice can be drawn in 6 6 ways. W W indicates a white mouse and N N indicates a mouse that isn't white.

  • WNWN
  • WWNN
  • NNWW
  • NWNW
  • WNNW
  • NWWN

Each of these outcomes has a probability of 2 n ( n 1 ) \dfrac{2}{n \left(n-1\right)} .

Thus, the total probability of drawing exactly 2 2 white mice is 6 × 2 n ( n 1 ) 6 \times \dfrac{2}{n \left(n-1\right)}

or P ( exactly 2 mice are white ) = 6 × 2 n ( n 1 ) P(\text{exactly 2 mice are white}) = 6 \times \dfrac{2}{n \left(n-1\right)}

Now, the probability that all the four mice are not white is ( n 2 4 ) ( n 4 ) \dfrac{{n-2 \choose 4}}{{n \choose 4}}

or P ( none are white ) = ( n 2 4 ) ( n 4 ) P(\text{none are white}) = \dfrac{{n-2 \choose 4}}{{n \choose 4}}

According to the given condition,

P ( exactly 2 mice are white ) = 2 × P ( none are white ) P(\text{exactly 2 mice are white}) = 2 \times P(\text{none are white})

Thus,

6 × 2 n ( n 1 ) = 2 × ( n 2 4 ) ( n 4 ) 6 \times \dfrac{2}{n \left(n-1\right)} = 2 \times \dfrac{{n-2 \choose 4}}{{n \choose 4}}

Solving this equation, we get n = 7 \boxed{n = 7}

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