Trisect a Median

Geometry Level 3

In the diagram above, suppose that B A 1 = A 1 A 2 = A 2 C BA_{1} = A_1A_2 = A_2C and A C 1 = C 1 B AC_1 = C_1B . If C 1 Y = 2017 C_1Y = 2017 , then X Y = p q XY = \frac{p}{q} , where p p and q q are coprime positive integers. Find p + q p + q .


The answer is 6053.

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6 solutions

Ahmad Saad
May 14, 2017

Arjen Vreugdenhil
May 22, 2017

The position of point A A is immaterial because ratios between segments in the same direction are not affected by affine transformations. We choose affine coordinates with B B at the origin, B C BC along the x x -axis, and B A BA along the y y -axis, and choose units such that B C 1 = B A 1 = 10 BC_1 = BA_1 = 10 .

The coordinates of relevant points are now C 1 : ( 0 , 10 ) C_1:\ (0,10) ; A 1 : ( 10 , 0 ) A_1:\ (10,0) ; A 2 : ( 20 , 0 ) A_2:\ (20,0) . The equations for the various lines of interest are 0 ( C 1 C ) : y = 10 1 3 x , 1 ( A 1 A ) : y = 20 2 x , 2 ( A 1 A ) : y = 20 x . \ell_0 (C_1C):\ y = 10-\tfrac13 x, \\ \ell_1 (A_1A):\ y = 20 - 2x, \\ \ell_2 (A_1A):\ y = 20 - x. Equating 0 \ell_0 and 1 \ell_1 gives Y : ( 6 , 8 ) Y:\ (6, 8) ; likewise, equating 0 \ell_0 and 2 \ell_2 gives X : ( 15 , 5 ) X:\ (15, 5) .

Now the segment C 1 Y C_1Y is given by the vector ( 6 , 2 ) (6,-2) , and the segment Y X YX by the vector ( 9 , 3 ) (9, -3) . Clearly Y X C 1 Y = 3 2 , \frac{YX}{C_1Y} = \frac 3 2, so that Y X = 3 2 2017 = 6051 2 . YX = \frac 3 2 \cdot 2017 = \frac{6051}{2}. We submit the result 6051 + 2 = 6053 6051 + 2 = \boxed{6053} .

Nice coordinate geometry solution. I didn't know that coordinate geometry can be used to work out geometry problem like these. Cheers!!!! Continue to give such solution for geometry problems. One good thing about using this method is that you don't have to memorise a lot of geometric theorems.

Prayas Rautray - 4 years ago

Brilliant...

Dorian Subirana - 3 years, 3 months ago
Steven Yuan
May 13, 2017

For this solution, we will apply the Ratio Lemma, which states that for any point X X' on side Y Z YZ of triangle X Y Z XYZ , we have

X Y X Z sin Y X X sin X X Z = Y X X Z . \dfrac{XY}{XZ} \cdot \dfrac{\sin \angle YXX'}{\sin \angle X'XZ} = \dfrac{YX'}{X'Z}.

First, we will find A X A A 2 \dfrac{AX}{AA_2} . Let α 1 = A C C 1 \alpha_1 = \angle ACC_1 and α 2 = C 1 C B \alpha_2 = \angle C_1CB . By the lemma, we know that A C 1 C 1 B = A C B C sin α 1 sin α 2 . \dfrac{AC_1}{C_1B} = \dfrac{AC}{BC} \cdot \dfrac{\sin \alpha_1}{\sin \alpha_2}. Thus, A C B C sin α 1 sin α 2 = 1. \dfrac{AC}{BC} \cdot \dfrac{\sin \alpha_1}{\sin \alpha_2} = 1. We also can find that A X X A 2 = A C C A 2 sin α 1 sin α 2 . \dfrac{AX}{XA_2} = \dfrac{AC}{CA_2} \cdot \dfrac{\sin \alpha_1}{\sin \alpha_2}. Using the equation we derived and the fact that A 2 C = B C 3 A_2C = \dfrac{BC}{3} , we get A X X A 2 = 3 , \dfrac{AX}{XA_2} = 3, which indicates that A X A A 2 = 3 4 \dfrac{AX}{AA_2} = \dfrac{3}{4} .

Now, we apply the same strategy we used to find A X A A 2 \dfrac{AX}{AA_2} to find C 1 Y Y X \dfrac{C_1Y}{YX} . Let β 1 = B A A 1 \beta_1 = \angle BAA_1 and β 2 = A 1 A A 2 \beta_2 = \angle A_1AA_2 . By the Ratio Lemma, we can find that A B A A 2 sin β 1 sin β 2 = B A 1 A 1 A 2 = 1 \dfrac{AB}{AA_2} \cdot \dfrac{\sin \beta_1}{\sin \beta_2} = \dfrac{BA_1}{A_1A_2} = 1 and C 1 Y Y X = A C 1 A X sin β 1 sin β 2 . \dfrac{C_1Y}{YX} = \dfrac{AC_1}{AX} \cdot \dfrac{\sin \beta_1}{\sin \beta_2}. Plugging in C 1 A = A B 2 C_1A = \dfrac{AB}{2} and A X = 3 A A 2 4 AX = \dfrac{3AA_2}{4} into the latter equation, we can simplify it into C 1 Y Y X = 2 3 . \dfrac{C_1Y}{YX} = \dfrac{2}{3}. Setting C 1 Y = 2017 C_1Y = 2017 and solving for X Y XY yields X Y = 6051 2 XY = \dfrac{6051}{2} . Thus, p + q = 6053 p + q = \boxed{6053} .

Damn, this lemma certainly kills this problem easily!

I don't think I've heard of the Ratio Lemma before. Does this lemma go by another (more common) name?

Pi Han Goh - 4 years ago

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I don't know, when I learned it, it was called the Ratio Lemma. It's a generalization of the Angle Bisector Theorem. Here's an AoPS thread on it (can't seem to find any other website that mentions it in detail).

Steven Yuan - 4 years ago

Although I hadn't heard of the Ratio Lemma either, the proposition that it states can readily be derived from the Law of Sines.

Alex Silverman - 4 years ago

Draw a line segment through C 1 C_1 parallel to side B C BC .

Y C A 1 = X C A 2 = Y C 1 Y 1 = X C 1 X 1 \angle YCA_1 = \angle XCA_2 = \angle YC_1Y_1 = \angle XC_1X_1 (Alternate angles)

C 1 Y Y 1 = C Y A 1 \angle C_1YY_1 = \angle CYA_1 and C 1 X X 1 = C X A 2 \angle C_1XX_1 = \angle CXA_2 (Vertically Opposite Angles)

Therefore, Y A 1 C Y Y 1 C 1 \triangle YA_1C \sim \triangle YY_1C_1

Since C 1 B 1 C_1B_1 is parallel to side B C BC and C 1 C_1 is the midpoint of side A B AB .

A C 1 A B = C 1 Y 1 B A 1 = Y 1 X 1 A 1 A 2 = X 1 B 1 A 2 C = 1 2 \displaystyle\frac{AC_1}{AB} = \frac{C_1Y_1}{BA_1} = \frac{Y_1X_1}{A_1A_2} = \frac{X_1B_1}{A_2C} = \frac{1}{2} (Basic proportionality theorem)

Therefore, Y 1 Y_1 and X 1 X_1 trisect C 1 B 1 C_1B_1 .

Let B A 1 = A 1 A 2 = A 2 C = 2 x BA_1 = A_1A_2 = A_2C = 2x then

C 1 Y 1 = Y 1 X ! = X 1 B 1 = x C_1Y_1 = Y_1X_! = X_1B_1 =x

Therefore, A 1 C Y 1 C 1 = 4 x x = 4 \displaystyle\frac{A_1C}{Y_1C_1} = \frac{4x}{x} = 4

Since Y A 1 C Y Y 1 C 1 \triangle YA_1C \sim \triangle YY_1C_1

C Y C 1 Y = A 1 C Y 1 C 1 = 4 x x = 4 \displaystyle\frac{CY}{C_1Y} = \frac{A_1C}{Y_1C_1} = \frac{4x}{x} = 4

C 1 X 1 C A 2 = C 1 Y 1 + Y 1 X 1 C A 2 = x + x 2 x = 1 \displaystyle\frac{C_1X_1}{CA_2} = \frac{C_1Y_1 + Y_1X_1}{CA_2} = \frac{x+x}{2x} = 1

Therefore, C 1 X X 1 C X A 2 \triangle C_1XX_1 \cong \triangle CXA_2

Therefore, C 1 X = C X C_1X = CX

C Y C 1 Y = Y X + C X C 1 Y = 4 \displaystyle\frac{CY}{C_1Y} = \frac{YX+CX}{C_1Y} = 4

But C 1 X = C X C_1X = CX

Y X + C 1 X C 1 Y = 4 \displaystyle\frac{YX+C_1X}{C_1Y} = 4

Y X + C 1 Y + Y X C 1 Y = 4 \displaystyle\frac{YX+C_1Y +YX}{C_1Y} = 4

2 Y X + C 1 Y C 1 Y = 4 \displaystyle\frac{2YX+C_1Y}{C_1Y} = 4

Y X = 3 C 1 Y 2 \displaystyle YX = \frac{3C_1Y}{2}

Y X = 3 × 2017 2 \displaystyle YX = \frac{3 \times 2017}{2}

Y X = 6051 2 \displaystyle YX = \frac{6051}{2}

Therefore, Ans is 6051 + 2 = 6053 6051 + 2 = 6053

This makes the most sense to me since all steps are based on simple basic geometry. Thank you!

Arliss Wolf - 3 years, 10 months ago
Kevin Tong
May 21, 2017

This is a sort of a brute force method of solving the problem since I was too lazy to use trigonometry and I couldn't think of a simpler geometric method. Since no angle is given in this problem, I assumed that this is a constant value for all triangles. To simplify the problem, I used an equilateral triangle so that the side lengths of the triangle would be equal. I plotted this in the cartesian plane with a side length of 1. I graphed the median through point C and found the function to be y = 3 3 x + 3 3 y=-\frac{\sqrt{3}}{3}x+\frac{\sqrt{3}}{3} . I then found the equation of the lines for the trisectors of line BC A A 1 AA_1 and A A 2 AA_2 , which turned out to be y = 3 3 x 3 y=3\sqrt{3}x-\sqrt{3} and y = 3 3 x + 2 3 y=-3\sqrt{3}x+2\sqrt{3} respectively. Solving for x and substituting for y, I got point Y is ( 2 5 , 3 5 ) (\frac{2}{5},\frac{\sqrt{3}}{5}) and point X is ( 5 8 , 3 8 ) (\frac{5}{8}, \frac{\sqrt{3}}{8}) . Using pythagorean theorem, I found that C 1 Y = 3 10 C_{1}Y = \frac{\sqrt{3}}{10} and Y X = 6 3 40 YX = \frac{6\sqrt{3}}{40} . From there, I found Y X C 1 Y = 6 3 40 3 10 = 60 40 = 3 2 \frac{YX}{C_{1}Y} = \frac{\frac{6\sqrt{3}}{40}}{\frac{\sqrt{3}}{10}} = \frac{60}{40} = \frac{3}{2} So in the diagram, Y X = 3 2 2017 = 6051 2 YX = \frac{3}{2} \cdot 2017 = \frac{6051}{2} Adding 6051 6051 and 2 2 gets us 6051 + 2 = 6053 6051+2 = \boxed{6053}

Melissa Quail
May 26, 2017

This is not the nicest solution but areal coordinates do work quite well:

Using areal coordinates with respect to triangle ABC, the coordinates of the points are:

A = ( 1 , 0 , 0 ) B = ( 0 , 1 , 0 ) C = ( 0 , 0 , 1 ) A 1 = ( 0 , 2 3 , 1 3 ) A 2 = ( 0 , 1 3 , 2 3 ) C 1 = ( 1 2 , 1 2 , 0 ) A = (1, 0, 0)\\ B = (0, 1, 0)\\ C = (0, 0, 1)\\ A_1 = (0, \frac{2}{3}, \frac{1}{3})\\ A_2 = (0, \frac{1}{3}, \frac{2}{3})\\ C_1= (\frac{1}{2}, \frac{1}{2}, 0)\\

The equation of the line A A 1 AA_1 is y = 2 z y=2z and the equation of the line A A 2 AA_2 is y = 1 2 z y=\frac{1}{2} z

The equation of the line C C 1 CC_1 is x = y x=y

Solving simultaneously gives Y = ( 2 5 , 2 5 , 1 5 ) Y = (\frac{2}{5}, \frac{2}{5}, \frac{1}{5}) and Z = ( 1 4 , 1 4 , 1 2 ) Z= (\frac{1}{4}, \frac{1}{4}, \frac{1}{2})

The displacement vector C 1 Y C_1Y is ( 1 10 , 1 10 , 1 5 ) (\frac{1}{10}, \frac{1}{10}, -\frac{1}{5}) . Using the distance formula, ( C 1 Y ) 2 = 1 50 a 2 + 1 50 b 2 1 100 c 2 = 201 7 2 (C_1Y)^2 = \frac{1}{50} a^2 + \frac{1}{50}b^2 - \frac{1}{100}c^2 = 2017^2

Similarly, the distance ( Y X ) 2 = 9 200 a 2 + 9 200 b 2 9 400 c 2 = 9 4 ( 1 50 a 2 + 1 50 b 2 1 100 c 2 ) = 9 4 × 201 7 2 (YX)^2 = \frac{9}{200} a^2 + \frac{9}{200} b^2 - \frac{9}{400} c^2 \\= \frac{9}{4} ( \frac{1}{50} a^2 + \frac{1}{50}b^2 - \frac{1}{100}c^2) \\= \frac{9}{4} × 2017^2

So X Y = ( 9 ( 201 7 2 ) 4 ) = 6051 2 XY = \sqrt(\frac{9(2017^2)}{4}) = \frac{6051}{2} . The answer is therefore 6051 + 2 = 6053 6051+2 = \boxed{6053}

Woah, I didn't expect to see a barycentric coordinate approach to questions like this. I'm impressed!

Pi Han Goh - 4 years ago

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