Uniquely square

Algebra Level 3

There is a unique choice of numbers a a and b b such that the polynomial y 4 + 2 y 3 + a y 2 + 2 y + b y^4+2y^3+ay^2+2y+b can be written as f ( y ) 2 f(y)^2 , where f ( y ) f(y) is also a polynomial. Find 2 a + 9 b 2a+9b .


The answer is 15.

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7 solutions

Steven Lee
Sep 15, 2013

We know that the highest degree of the polynomial is 2. So: f ( y ) = y 2 + c y + d f(y)=y^2+cy+d Expanding f ( y ) 2 f(y)^2 we get: f ( y ) 2 = y 4 + 2 c y 3 + ( 2 d + c 2 ) y 2 + 2 d c y + d 2 f(y)^2=y^4+2cy^3+(2d+c^2)y^2+2dcy+d^2 Solving for c c and d d with what we know, we get that c = 1 c=1 and d = 1 d=1 . So we know that by plugging values in that a = 3 a=3 and b = 1 b=1 . Therefore 2 a + 9 b = 15 2a+9b=15

Why did no one use vieta's theorem?? hahahah

Rindell Mabunga - 7 years, 8 months ago

nice idea...but wnat will u do if numbers are not given?????

Ronak Pawar - 7 years, 8 months ago
Kishlaya Jaiswal
Sep 16, 2013

Since y 4 + 2 y 3 + a y 2 + 2 y + b y^4 + 2y^3 + ay^2 + 2y +b can be written as ( f ( y ) ) 2 (f(y))^2 , this means that it is a perfect square, so we can clearly state that f ( y ) f(y) must be of a second degree (quadratic) form.

Therefore, let f ( y ) = p y 2 + q y + r f(y) = py^2 + qy + r , then

( f ( y ) ) 2 = ( p y 2 + q y + r ) 2 = p 2 y 4 + 2 p q y 3 + y 2 ( q 2 + 2 p r ) + 2 q r y + r 2 (f(y))^2 = (py^2+qy+r)^2 = p^2y^4 + 2pqy^3 + y^2(q^2 + 2pr) + 2qry + r^2 But ( f ( y ) ) 2 = y 4 + 2 y 3 + a y 2 + 2 y + b (f(y))^2 = y^4 + 2y^3 + ay^2 + 2y +b

Comparing the coefficients in both the equations, we get -

p 2 = 1 p^2 = 1

2 p q = 2 q = 1 p 2pq=2 \Rightarrow q = \frac{1}{p}

2 q r = 2 r = 1 q = p 2qr=2 \Rightarrow r = \frac{1}{q} = p

Then a = q 2 + 2 p r = 1 p 2 + 2 p 2 = 1 + 2 = 3 a = q^2 + 2pr = \frac{1}{p^2} + 2p^2 = 1 + 2 = 3

And b = r 2 = p 2 = 1 b = r^2 = p^2 = 1

Therefore, 2 a + 9 b = ( 2 × 3 ) + ( 9 × 1 ) = 15 2a + 9b = (2 \times 3) + (9 \times 1) = 15

Khalid Younis
Sep 15, 2013

f ( y ) 2 = ( y 2 + c y + d ) 2 f(y)^2 = (y^2+cy+d)^2

= y 4 + 2 c y 3 + ( c 2 + 2 d ) y 2 + 2 c d y + d 2 =y^4+2cy^3+(c^2+2d)y^2+2cdy+d^2

Equating Coefficients:

2 c = 2 c = 1 2c=2 \Rightarrow c=1

2 c d = 2 2 × 1 × d = 2 d = 1 2cd=2 \Rightarrow 2 \times 1 \times d = 2 \Rightarrow d=1

a = ( c 2 + 2 d ) = 1 2 + 2 × 1 = 3 a=(c^2+2d)=1^2 +2 \times 1 = 3

b = d 2 = 1 2 = 1 b=d^2=1^2=1

2 a + 9 b = 2 × 3 + 9 × 1 = 2a+9b= 2 \times 3 + 9 \times 1 = 15 \fbox{15}

Anirudh Sharma
Sep 22, 2013

If y^4+2y^3+ay^2+2y+b= f(y)^2, then there is a polynomial f(y)= (Y^2+ny+sqrt(b)) where n is any real number. Squaring f(y) we get, (Y^2+nY+sqrt(b))(Y^2+nY+sqrt(b)) = (Y^4 + 2nY^3 + (n^2+ 2sqrt(b))Y^2 + 2nYsqrt(b) + b). Matching corresponding terms, we get n=1 and sqrt(b)=1. Therefore, a=3, and b=1. 2(3) + 9(1) = 15.

Eva Donlon
Sep 16, 2013

f(x)^2 must be /(y^2 + my + n)(y^2 + my +n)/

Multiplying this out we get /(y^4 + 2my^3 + (2n + m^2)y^2 + 2mny +n^2/).

This is equal to /(y^4 +2y^3 +ay^2 +2y +b/) for all values of y. From this we have m = 1, n = 1, and a = 3, b = 1.

/((2(3) + 9(1) = 15/)

it is the square of (y2+y+1)=y4+2y3+3y2+2y+1 ....2(3)+9(1)=15

Mharfe Micaroz
Sep 15, 2013

(y^2+ry+s)^2 ==>

y^4 + 2r.y^3 + (r^2+2s).y^2 + 2rs.y + s^2=0

y^4 + 2y3 + ay2 + 2y + b = 0

Hence,

2r=2

r=1

2rs=2

s=1

a=r^2+2s=1^2+2*1=3

b=s^2=1^2=1

2a+9b=2(3)+9(1)=6+9=15

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