Up, Up, and Strictly Away

A ball with mass m m is thrown from the origin at speed V 0 V_{0} toward the right on an exotic planet where the strength of gravity is g = g 10 = 1 m / s 2 . g^\prime = \frac{g}{10} = \SI[per-mode=symbol]{1}{\meter\per\second\squared}.

Let α \alpha be the largest possible angle such that, for all θ < α \theta<\alpha , the distance between the ball and its launch point will be strictly increasing for t > 0 t>0 .

What is tan 2 α , \tan^{2} \alpha, to two decimal places?


Details and Assumptions:

  • V 0 = 100 m/s . V_{0}=100 \text{ m/s}.
  • m = 1 kg . m=1 \text{ kg}.

Bonus: Generalize this angle for arbitrary values of V 0 V_{0} , m m , and g g^\prime .


The answer is 8.00.

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6 solutions

Arjen Vreugdenhil
Sep 10, 2017

Relevant wiki: Projectile motion - Medium

The answer is independent of the values given.

The shortest distance is attained when the velocity vector v \vec v is perpendicular to the segment from the starting point d \vec d . It is well-known that { d x = v x 0 t d y = v y 0 t 1 2 g t 2 { v x = v x 0 v y = v y 0 g t \begin{cases} d_x = v_{x0}t \\ d_y = v_{y0}t - \tfrac12 gt^2 \end{cases}\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \begin{cases} v_x = v_{x0} \\ v_y = v_{y0} - gt \end{cases} They are perpendicular when their dot product is zero, i.e. 0 = d x v x + d y v y = v x 0 2 t + v y 0 2 t 3 2 v y 0 g t 2 + 1 2 g 2 t 3 . 0 = d_xv_x + d_yv_y = v_{x0}^2t + v_{y0}^2t - \frac32 v_{y0} gt^2 + \frac12 g^2t^3. We wish to find ratios of v y 0 v_{y0} and v x 0 v_{x0} for which this equation does not have solutions.

Divide the equation by t t ; then ( v 0 x 2 + v 0 y 2 ) 3 2 v 0 y ( g t ) + 1 2 ( g t ) 2 = C + B ( g t ) + A ( g t ) 2 = 0. (v_{0x}^2 + v_{0y}^2) - \frac32 v_{0y}(gt) + \frac12 (gt)^2 = C + B(gt) + A(gt)^2 = 0. This is a quadratic equation; it has no solutions iff the discriminant is negative: D = B 2 4 A C = ( 3 2 v 0 y ) 2 2 v 0 x 2 2 v 0 y 2 < 0. D = B^2 - 4AC = \left(\frac32v_{0y}\right)^2 - 2v_{0x}^2 - 2v_{0y}^2 < 0. 1 4 v 0 y 2 < 2 v 0 x 2 . \frac14v_{0y}^2 < 2v_{0x}^2. tan 2 θ = v 0 y 2 v 0 x 2 < 2 1 / 4 = 8 . \tan^2\theta = \frac{v_{0y}^2}{v_{0x}^2} < \frac 2{1/4} = \boxed{8}.


To illustrate this, I have plotted the graphs of d ( t ) d(t) for various angles.

The blue graph is for an angle of 6 5 65^\circ , less than our critical angle. The black graph is for an angle of 7 5 75^\circ . The red graph shows the angle we calculated, of approx. 70. 5 70.5^\circ . It has a horizontal inflection point toward the end of the motion. If the launch angle is made any greater, this inflection point will bifurcate into a local minimum and a local maximum.

We can also find the location of the projectile at this bifurcation point. If D = 0 D = 0 , the solution of the quadratic above is given by g t = B 2 A = 3 2 v 0 y . gt = \frac{-B}{2A} = \frac 32v_{0y}. The velocity at that time will be ( v x , v y ) = ( v 0 x , 1 2 v 0 y ) (v_x,v_y) = (v_{0x},-\tfrac12v_{0y}) , and the direction of d \vec d is perpendicular; so that d y d x = v x v y = 2 v 0 x v 0 y = 2 tan θ , \frac{d_y}{d_x} = -\frac{v_x}{v_y} = 2\frac{v_{0x}}{v_{0y}} = \frac2{\tan\theta}, so that the direction angle of d \vec d at that moment is equal to ϕ d = inv tan 1 2 35. 3 , \phi_d = \text{inv tan} \frac 1{\sqrt 2} \approx 35.3^\circ, again independent of the values of v 0 v_0 and g g .

In fact, this direction angle ϕ d \phi_d is exactly half of the launch angle: tan 2 ϕ d = 2 tan ϕ d 1 ( tan ϕ d ) 2 = 2 1 1 2 = 2 2 = 8 = tan θ . \tan 2\phi_d = \frac{2\tan \phi_d}{1-(\tan \phi_d)^2} = \frac{\sqrt 2}{1 - \tfrac12} = 2\sqrt 2 = \sqrt 8 = \tan\theta.

I really like the use of vectors! Its much less complicated than what I did with the differential equation, finding derivatives, etc.

(I +1'd this morning on my phone. Waited to get to a computer to type this up)

Brandon Monsen - 3 years, 9 months ago
Steven Chase
Aug 31, 2017

Relevant wiki: Problem solving 2D

This doesn't need to be framed as a 3D problem. 2D kinematics works fine. Write down the x x and y y expressions. I will simply call the downward acceleration g g because that is a familiar convention.

x = V 0 cos ( θ ) t y = V 0 sin ( θ ) t 1 2 g t 2 x = V_0 \cos(\theta) t \\ y = V_0 \sin(\theta) t - \frac{1}{2}g t^2

Distance from launch point (origin):

D 2 = x 2 + y 2 = V 0 2 cos 2 ( θ ) t 2 + V 0 2 sin 2 ( θ ) t 2 V 0 g sin ( θ ) t 3 + 1 4 g 2 t 4 = V 0 2 t 2 V 0 g sin ( θ ) t 3 + 1 4 g 2 t 4 D^2 = x^2 + y^2 = V_0^2 \,\cos^2(\theta) t^2 + V_0^2 \, \sin^2(\theta) t^2 - V_0 \, g \, \sin(\theta) t^3 + \frac{1}{4} g^2 t^4 \\ = V_0^2 t^2 - V_0 \, g \, \sin(\theta) t^3 + \frac{1}{4} g^2 t^4

Rate of change of squared distance must be greater than zero for all values of t t :

d ( D 2 ) d t = 2 V 0 2 t 3 V 0 g sin ( θ ) t 2 + g 2 t 3 > 0 2 V 0 2 3 V 0 g sin ( θ ) t + g 2 t 2 > 0 \frac{d(D^2)}{dt} = 2 V_0^2 t - 3 V_0 \, g \, \sin(\theta) t^2 + g^2 t^3 > 0 \\ \implies 2 V_0^2 - 3 V_0 \, g \, \sin(\theta) t + g^2 t^2 > 0

Plugging in numbers gives:

20000 300 sin ( θ ) t + t 2 > 0 c + b t + a t 2 > 0 20000 - 300 \sin(\theta) t + t^2 > 0 \\ c + b \, t + a \, t^2 > 0

We know that this will be satisfied if there are no real-valued solutions for the quadratic:

20000 300 sin ( θ ) t + t 2 0 20000 - 300 \sin(\theta) t + t^2 \neq 0

Determine the critical value of θ \theta which makes ( b 2 = 4 a c ) (b^2 = 4ac) :

90000 sin 2 ( θ ) = 80000 sin 2 ( θ ) = 8 9 tan 2 ( θ ) = sin 2 ( θ ) 1 sin 2 ( θ ) = 8 9 1 8 9 = 8 90000 \sin^2(\theta) = 80000 \\ \sin^2(\theta) = \frac{8}{9} \\ \tan^2(\theta) = \frac{\sin^2(\theta)}{1 - \sin^2(\theta)} = \frac{\frac{8}{9}}{1 - \frac{8}{9}} = \boxed{8}

I have a little problem, doesn't it will be b 2 4 a c < 0 b^2-4ac<0 at the last stage? Because problem states that "the distance will be strictly increasing" so it means no stationary.

Kelvin Hong - 3 years, 8 months ago

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I made it an equality condition, because I'm looking for a single critical value of theta.

Steven Chase - 3 years, 8 months ago

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Okay haha, it doesn't really matter.

Kelvin Hong - 3 years, 8 months ago
Oliver Piattella
Sep 11, 2017

Relevant wiki: Problem solving 2D

The motion is parabolic:

y = a x 2 + b x y = ax^2 + bx

where b = tan θ b = \tan\theta . Just combine the horizontal equation of motion x = V 0 t cos θ x = V_0t\cos\theta with the vertical one y = g t 2 / 2 + V 0 t sin θ y = -g't^2/2 + V_0t\sin\theta in order to obtain that.

Now the distance from the origin:

d 2 = x 2 + y 2 = x 2 [ 1 + ( a x + b ) 2 ] d^2 = x^2 + y^2 = x^2[1 + (ax + b)^2]

Derive it with respect to x x (which I use here instead of time as independent variable because x ( t ) x(t) is a monotonic function of time):

2 d d = 2 x ( 2 a 2 x 2 + 3 a b x + 1 + b 2 ) 2dd' = 2x(2a^2x^2 + 3abx + 1 + b^2)

The prime denotes derivation with respect to x x . Now, d d and x x are always positive, so d > 0 d' > 0 if the discriminant of the second order polynomial between parenthesis is non-positive:

Δ 2 = 9 a 2 b 2 8 a 2 ( 1 + b 2 ) 0 \Delta^2 = 9a^2b^2 - 8a^2(1 + b^2) \le 0

From which we get:

b 2 8 b^2 \le 8

Therefore:

tan 2 α = 8 \boxed{\tan^2\alpha = 8}

The result is already independent of mass, g g' and V 0 V_0 .

Brandon Monsen
Aug 31, 2017

Define x ^ \hat{x} to be the unit vector parallel to the projection of V 0 \vec{V_{0}} onto the plane, and y ^ \hat{y} to be the unit vector which points upwards normal to the plane.

Let r ( t ) = x ( t ) x ^ + y ( t ) y ^ \vec{r}(t)=x(t)\hat{x}+y(t)\hat{y} be the ball's position vector and let C C be the circle whose center is the origin and circumference passes through r ( t ) \vec{r}(t) . The distance between the origin and r ( t ) \vec{r}(t) is increasing if and only if the ball's velocity points outside of the circle. Hence;

d y d x r ( t ) > d y d x C \frac{dy}{dx} \left|_{\vec{r}(t)} > \frac{dy}{dx} \right|_{C}

Since d y d x \frac{dy}{dx} along any circle centered at the origin is x y \frac{-x}{y} , we get that y x + x y > 0 \frac{y'}{x'}+\frac{x}{y}>0 or y y + x x > 0 yy'+xx'>0 .

Since this is a kinematic problem, it is true that y ( t ) = A t + B t 2 y(t)=At+Bt^{2} and x ( t ) = C t x(t)=Ct (the only acceleration is in the y-direction)

We get:

[ A t + B t 2 ] [ A + 2 B t ] + C 2 t > 0 ( A 2 + C 2 ) + 3 A B t + 2 B 2 t 2 > 0 [At+Bt^{2}][A+2Bt]+C^{2}t>0 \quad \Rightarrow \quad (A^{2}+C^{2})+3ABt+2B^{2}t^{2}>0

Note: we can divide through by t t since we only care about when t > 0 t>0 .

For the above to be true for t > 0 t>0 , we must have no positive roots in t t . In other words, either the discriminant is negative, or both roots are negative. Based on our knowledge of kinematics, we know that B B corresponds with the y y acceleration, which is negative. We also know A A corresponds with the initial y y velocity, which is positive. Hence, 3 A B 4 B 2 \frac{-3AB}{4B^{2}} , the t t value which corresponds to the axis of symmetry of the parabola, is positive. Thus, we must have the discriminant be negative.

We get 9 A 2 B 2 8 B 2 ( A 2 + C 2 ) < 0 A 2 C 2 < 8 9A^{2}B^{2}-8B^{2}(A^{2}+C^{2})<0 \quad \Rightarrow \quad \frac{A^{2}}{C^{2}}<8

We know A = V 0 sin ( θ ) A=V_{0}\sin(\theta) and C = V 0 cos ( θ ) C=V_{0}\cos(\theta) , so we get that t a n 2 ( θ ) < 8 tan^{2}(\theta) < 8 . Since tan ( θ ) \tan(\theta) is increasing over our interval, we get that tan 2 ( α ) = 8 \boxed{\tan^{2}(\alpha)=8} satisfies our conditions on α \alpha . This is true regardless of our chosen values for V 0 V_{0} , m m , and g g .

Theo Hatzustavrou
Sep 16, 2017

Lets call the coordinates of the ball ( r ( t ) = x ( t ) , z ( t ) ) (\vec{r}(t)=x(t),z(t))

From the picture we can see that the equation of motion is

r ( t ) = ( v 0 cos ( θ ) t , v 0 sin ( θ ) t 1 2 g t 2 ) \vec{r}(t) = \left(v_0 \cos(\theta) t, v_0 \sin(\theta)t-\frac{1}{2}g t^2\right)

Thus the distance of the ball from the axis origin is

r ( t ) 2 = v 0 2 cos 2 ( θ ) t 2 + v 0 2 sin 2 ( θ ) t 2 v 0 sin ( θ ) g t 3 + 1 4 g 2 t 4 = A t 2 + B t 3 + C t 4 \left|\vec{r}(t)\right|^2 = v^2_0 \cos^2(\theta) t^2+ v^2_0 \sin^2(\theta)t^2-v_0\sin(\theta)g t^3+\frac{1}{4}g^2t^4=At^2+Bt^3+Ct^4

with A = v 0 2 A=v^2_0 , B = v 0 sin ( θ ) g B= -v_0\sin(\theta)g and C = 1 4 g 2 C = \frac{1}{4}g^2 . We want r ( t ) \left|\vec{r}(t)\right| to be constantly increasing and so the r ( t ) 2 \left|\vec{r}(t)\right|^2 to be constantly increasing. That means we demand that

d d t ( A t 2 + B t 3 + C t 4 ) > 0 2 A t + 3 B t 2 + 4 C t 3 > 0 \frac{d}{dt}(At^2+Bt^3+Ct^4)> 0 \Rightarrow 2At+3Bt^2+4Ct^3>0

and because time is positive we devide with it

2 A + 3 B t + 4 C t 2 > 0 2A+3Bt+4Ct^2>0

So for this to be satisfied the distinctive Δ = 9 B 2 8 A C \Delta=9B^2-8AC must be negative! Thus we get

9 v 0 2 sin 2 ( θ ) g 2 8 v 0 2 g 2 < 0 sin 2 ( θ ) < 8 9 9v^2_0 \sin^2 (\theta)g^2-8v^2_0g^2<0 \Rightarrow \boxed{\sin^2(\theta)<\frac{8}{9}}

In the liminiting case where θ = α \theta = \alpha , sin 2 ( α ) = 8 / 9 \sin^2(\alpha)=8/9 and so

tan 2 α = sin 2 α 1 sin 2 α = 8 / 9 1 / 9 = 8 \tan^2{\alpha}=\frac{\sin^2\alpha}{1-\sin^2\alpha}=\frac{8/9}{1/9}=\boxed{8}

We see from the solution that the result is independent of the gravitational consant g (the planet we do the projectile) the initial velocity v 0 v_0 and the mass m m of the object!

Laszlo Mihaly
Sep 2, 2017

I "cheated": I graphed the distance from the origin in Excel, and varied the angle until I found the extremal value. I stopped refining when it became clear that the answer is 8. See the 3 figures below

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