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What is the l e a s t least p e r i m e t e r perimeter of an isosceles triangle in which a circle of radius 3 \sqrt{3} can be inscribed ?

Note : The picture shown is a rough one.


The answer is 18.

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6 solutions

Sanjeet Raria
Nov 1, 2014

Note: My approach is unconventional & doesn't use calculus at all.

Symmetry tells us that the perimeter of an isosceles triangle inscribing a given circle will be minimum only when the isosceles triangle is equilateral

Knowing this, the problem does not remain a difficult one.

Consider an equilateral triangle A B C ABC with side length a a inscribing a circle of radius 3 √3 with centre O. (see the picture given in the problem). A r ( A B C ) = 3 t i m e s A r ( O A C ) = 3 3 a 2 Ar(ABC)=3\space times \space Ar(OAC)=\frac{3√3a}{2} Now 3 a 2 4 = 3 3 a 2 \frac{√3a^2}{4}=\frac{3√3a}{2} a = 6 \Rightarrow a=6 Hence perimeter is = 3 a = 3 6 = 18 =3a=3•6=\boxed{18}

Can you explain fully how "Symmetry tells us that the perimeter of an isosceles triangle inscribing a given circle will be minimum only when the isosceles triangle is equilateral"?

For example, if the question was "find the least perimeter of an isosceles triangle with a height that is at least 10", then the minimum case does not occur when the triangle is an equilateral triangle.

As such, you need to provide a rigorous argument to explain the assumption.

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 7 months ago

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Well another way of saying that is- Nature doesn't bias on a special case when all the different contender involved are identical in every way. Having a minimum or maximum value is a very special case.

Now I'm not saying that it's a rigorous mathematical law but it's just a thought experiment of logical arguments i thought of an year back.

For instance if a wire of fixed length is given then the special case of having maximum area of rectangle made by it will occur when the rectangle is a square. Since nature can't have the special case of having maximum value of area when one side of the rectangle is larger then other. There is no reason for them to be different in this case since there's not a point of uniqueness in length & breadth.

Mathematically, If a + b = c o n s t a n t a+b=constant & if we want = a b =ab to be maximum then this can't have a maximum value at different a a & b b since both the variables a a & b b are identical in every way w.r.t both the expressions (multiplication, addition).

Similarly whenever in any inequality, if the expression is symmetric w.r.t some parameters then the special case(having its maximum or minimum value) will occur when all the parameters are same.

Now considering the case of this problem, the circle is a symmetric figure when seen from any direction in two dimensions. Now for a given circle there are many triangles that can inscribe it. Out of such triangles if we want its perimeter to be minimum (a special case) then this can happen when all the parameters (in this case, sides of inscribing triangle) are same. Furthermore an equilateral triangle is also an isosceles one.....

But in some problems especially yours, I've seen that this hypothesis breaks down for reasons not yet clear to me. I'd love to listen your reply @Calvin Lin

Sanjeet Raria - 6 years, 7 months ago

Did a similar thing but directly found out the side from the altitude

Dhruv G - 6 years, 3 months ago

Exactly what I did!

Pranjal Jain - 6 years, 7 months ago

Well, here goes some calculus .....

Suppose the circle is centered at C ( 0 , 3 ) C(0, \sqrt{3}) and the base of the isosceles triangle is the line segment joining A ( a , 0 ) A(-a, 0) and B ( a , 0 ) B(a, 0) , where a > 3 a \gt \sqrt{3} . The triangle then lies above the x x -axis and is symmetric about the y y -axis. Label the origin as O ( 0 , 0 ) O(0,0) .

With O B C = θ \angle OBC = \theta , we have that θ = arctan ( 3 a ) \theta = \arctan(\frac{\sqrt{3}}{a}) and that the length of the side of the triangle in the first quadrant is L = a sec ( 2 θ ) L = a*\sec(2\theta) . The perimeter P P of the triangle is then P = 2 a + 2 L = 2 a ( 1 + sec ( 2 θ ) ) P = 2a + 2L = 2a(1 + \sec(2\theta)) .

Now cos ( 2 θ ) = 2 cos 2 ( θ ) 1 \cos(2\theta) = 2*\cos^{2}(\theta) - 1 and

cos ( θ ) = cos ( arctan ( 3 a ) ) = a a 2 + 3 \cos(\theta) = \cos(\arctan(\frac{\sqrt{3}}{a})) = \frac{a}{\sqrt{a^{2} + 3}} .

So cos ( 2 θ ) = 2 ( a 2 a 2 + 3 ) 1 = a 2 3 a 2 + 3 \cos(2\theta) = 2*(\frac{a^{2}}{a^{2} + 3}) - 1 = \frac{a^{2} - 3}{a^{2} + 3} ,

and thus P = 2 a ( 1 + a 2 + 3 a 2 3 ) = 4 a 3 a 2 3 P = 2a(1 + \frac{a^{2} + 3}{a^{2} - 3}) = \dfrac{4a^{3}}{a^{2} - 3} .

To find the critical points for P P , we set d P d a = 0 \frac{dP}{da} = 0 :

d P d a = 12 a 2 ( a 2 3 ) 4 a 3 ( 2 a ) ( a 2 3 ) 2 = 4 a 2 ( a 2 9 ) ( a 2 3 ) 2 = 0 \dfrac{dP}{da} = \dfrac{12a^{2}(a^{2} - 3) - 4a^{3}(2a)}{(a^{2} - 3)^{2}} = \dfrac{4a^{2}(a^{2} - 9)}{(a^{2} - 3)^{2}} = 0

when a = 3 a = 3 , as we want a > 3 a \gt \sqrt{3} . This yields a perimeter of P = 4 27 9 3 = 18 P = \frac{4*27}{9 - 3} = \boxed{18} .

To be thorough, note that d 2 P d a 2 = 24 a ( a 2 + 9 ) ( a 2 3 ) 3 > 0 \frac{d^{2}P}{da^{2}} = \frac{24a(a^{2} + 9)}{(a^{2} - 3)^{3}} \gt 0 for a = 3 a = 3 , so by the second derivative test we can (formally) conclude that the perimeter P P is minimized when a = 3 a = 3 .

Using the inequality of arithmetic and geometric means, we have that:

( p a ) + ( p b ) + ( p c ) 3 ( p a ) ( p b ) ( p c ) 3 \frac{(p-a)+(p-b)+(p-c)}{3}\geqslant \sqrt[3]{(p-a)(p-b)(p-c)}

But the area of the triangle is :

S = p r = p ( p a ) ( p b ) ( p c ) ( p a ) ( p b ) ( p c ) = p r 2 S=pr=\sqrt{p(p-a)(p-b)(p-c)} \therefore (p-a)(p-b)(p-c)=pr^2

Replacing the therms :

( p a ) + ( p b ) + ( p c ) 3 p r 2 3 \frac{(p-a)+(p-b)+(p-c)}{3} \geqslant \sqrt[3]{pr^2}

But a+b+c=2p, them :

( 3 p 2 p ) 3 p r 2 3 \frac{(3p-2p)}{3} \geqslant \sqrt[3]{pr^2}

p 3 27 p r 2 p 9 \frac{p^3}{27} \geqslant {pr^2}\Rightarrow p\geqslant 9

Therefore, we have that the minimum semiperimeter is p=9, them, the perimeter is 2p = 18

What is 'r'? Can you please confirm that?

Katasani Siva sreenath reddy - 3 years, 3 months ago

I believe that in order to get the minimum perimeter circumscribing a circle with a given radius, that isosceles triangle must be an equilateral one, so i get the height of the triangle, which is equal to thrice the given radius, multiplied it by 2, divide it by sqrt of 3, then multiply by 3 again to get the perimeter of the triangle..

Rab Gani
May 11, 2018

Let the side of the triangle a,b,and b, the perimeter p=2b+a The area of the triangle A = ½ (a+2b)√3 = √((b+a/2)(b-a/2)(a/2)(a/2)). Square both sides, 3(b+a/2) =1/4 a^2(b-a/2), or b=1/2 a (a^2+12)/(a^2-12) The perimeter p = (2 a^3)/(a^2-12), dp/da = (2 a^4-72 a^2)/((a^2-12))^2 = 0, a=6, and b=6, so p=18

Consider an isosceles triangle ABC, with AB = AC, angle BAC = t and in radius r. Here r is a constant (given) and t is variable. The question is what is the perimeter of ABC in terms of t and r. We can then minimize the perimeter by differentiating over t.

To calculate the perimeter, let the in center be I and let D,E,F, be perpendiculars from I to BC, CA, AB, respectively. Since AI bisects angle BAC, r/AE = tan(t/2), so AE = r cot(t/2). Similarly, AF = r cot(t/2). Next, the angle ABC is (pi - t)/2, so r/BD = tan ((pi - t)/4). Hence, BD = r cot((pi - t)/4). Also, BD = FB = DC = CE, so all these four segments have length r cot((pi - t)/4).

Hence, the total perimeter of the triangle is:

f(t) = 2r cot(t/2) + 4r cot ((pi - t)/4)

We want to minimize this perimeter. First, we simplify f(t) slightly. Let t/4 = x. Note that 0 <= x <= pi/4. Given this, f(t) can be written as:

g(x) = 2r cot (2x) + 4r cot (pi/4 - x)

We have g'(x) = -4r csc^2 (2x) + 4r csc^2 (pi/4 - x) = 0 => csc^2 (2x) = csc^2(pi/4 - x) => sin^2 (2x) = sin^2 (pi/4 - x)

Since, 0 <= x <= pi/4, sin(2x) and sin(pi/4 - x) are both non-negative.

So, we get sin(2x) = sin (pi/4 - x), and again because 0 <= x <= pi/4, 2x = pi/4 - x.

So x = pi/12 and t = 4x = pi/3. Hence, the triangle is equilateral. The minimum perimeter is: 2r cot(t/2) + 4r cot ((pi - t)/4) = 2r cot(pi/6) + 4r cot (pi/6) = 6r * sqrt(3) Therefore, the answer when r = sqrt(3) is 6(sqrt(3)) * sqrt(3) =18 answer!

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