Use sum of product of vectors T and V

A small ring of mass m m can slide on a friction less rod. It is connected to a block of mass M M . The rod is at a distance d d from the pulley. Initially the ring is at a distance d d from point O O . Find the velocity of the block when the ring is at a distance d / 2 d/2 from point O O .

The answer is in form

V 2 = M g d ( a a b ) M + b m { V }^{ 2 }=\frac { Mgd(a\sqrt { a } -\sqrt { b } ) }{ M+bm }

Find a + b a+b .


The answer is 7.

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L e t t h e d i s t a n c e o f m f r o m O b e S m a n d f r o m t h e p u l l e y b e S M . B y P y t h a g o r a s S m 2 + d 2 = S M 2 . D i f f e r e n t i a t i n g S m v = S M V , w h e r e v i s t h e v e l o c i t y o f m a n d V t h e r a t e o f s h o r t e n i n g o f S M . B u t t h i s V i s a l s o t h e v e l o c i t y o f M . a t f i n a l p o s i t i o n v f = V f S m f S M f = V f d / 2 ( d / 2 ) 2 + d 2 . v f = 5 V f . . . . . . . . ( 1 ) Let~ the~ distance~ of~ m ~~from~ O~ be ~~ S_m~ and ~from ~the~ pulley~ be~S_M.\\By ~ Pythagoras~ S_m^2+d^2 = S_M^2.~Differentiating~S_m*v = S_M*V,\\where~~ v ~is~ the~ velocity~of~~m~and~V~the~rate ~ of~shortening~ of ~ S_M.\\ But~this~V~is~also~the~velocity~of~~M.\\ \therefore at~final~position~v^f=V^f*\sqrt{ \dfrac{S_m^f}{S_M^f} }=V^f*\sqrt{\dfrac{d/2}{(d/2)^2+d^2}}.\\ \therefore v^f =\sqrt5 *V^f........(1)
O n l y M l o s s e s P E f a l l i n g t h r o u g h H w h i l e K E g a i n b y b o t h M a n d m . H = s h o r t e n i n g o f S M = d 2 + d 2 ( d / 2 ) 2 + d 2 . H = d ( 2 5 2 ) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ( 2 ) K E g a i n = P E l o s s 1 2 M V 2 + 1 2 m v 2 = M g H F r o m ( 1 ) a n d ( 2 ) , 1 2 M ( V f ) 2 + 1 2 m ( V f 5 ) 2 = M g d ( 2 5 2 ) ( V f ) 2 = M g d ( 2 2 5 ) M + 5 m . . a + b = 2 + 5 = 7 Only~M~losses~PE~falling~through~H~while~KE~gain~by~both~M~and~m.\\H=shortening~of~ S_M=\sqrt{d^2 + d^2} - \sqrt{(d/2)^2 + d^2} .\\\therefore H=d*(\sqrt2 -\dfrac{\sqrt5}{2}).. ...............(2)\\KE~gain=PE~loss~\implies~\dfrac{1}{2}MV^2 + \dfrac{1}{2}mv^2 =M*g*H\\From~(1)~and~(2),\\\dfrac{1}{2}M(V^f)^2+\dfrac{1}{2}m*(V^f*\sqrt5)^2=M*g*d*(\sqrt2 -\dfrac{\sqrt5}{2})\\ \implies~(V^f)^2=\dfrac{M*g*d(2\sqrt2 -\sqrt5)}{M+5m}..\therefore~a+b=2+5=\boxed{ \Large 7 }

Sir what about work done by tension forces?

Karan Shekhawat - 6 years, 3 months ago

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It will be negligible. This work=( elongation of the string )*Tension. The elongation is too small, and no data about the string is given.

Niranjan Khanderia - 6 years, 3 months ago

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sir but the strings are ideal strings and the work done refer to mechanical work done on blocks not the elongation work done for there is no elongation in an ideal string.

rahul saxena - 6 years, 1 month ago
Jimmy Qin
Feb 12, 2015

Let the distance from m to point O be x, and the displacement of M from its original height be y.

By energy conservation, M g y = 1 2 m ( x ) 2 + 1 2 M v 2 Mgy = \frac{1}{2}m(x')^2+\frac{1}{2}Mv^2 . By Pythagoras, distance between m and pulley is x 2 + d 2 \sqrt{x^2+d^2} , so y = d 2 x 2 + d 2 y = d\sqrt{2} - \sqrt{x^2+d^2} .

Also, v = y = d d t ( d 2 x 2 + d 2 ) = ( x 2 + d 2 ) 1 / 2 x x v = y' = \frac{d}{dt}( d\sqrt{2} - \sqrt{x^2+d^2}) = (x^2+d^2)^{-1/2} x x' , so x = v x 2 + d 2 x x' = \frac{v\sqrt{x^2+d^2}}{x} .

Substituting x x' and y y into the energy equation, we obtain v 2 = 2 M g ( d 2 x 2 + d 2 ) M + ( 1 + ( d x ) 2 ) m v^2 = \frac{2Mg(d\sqrt{2} - \sqrt{x^2+d^2})}{M+(1+(\frac{d}{x})^2)m} .

Since x = d 2 x = \frac{d}{2} , we have v 2 = M g d ( 2 2 5 ) M + 5 m v^2 = \frac{Mgd(2\sqrt{2}-\sqrt{5})}{M+5m} and the answer is 7 \boxed{7} .

Rahul Saxena
Apr 30, 2015

I used the concept that work done by tension forces in a two connected body motion is zero overall. Also using constraint relation that ,velocity of two particles in the direction of string are equal at all instants. Using these two equation i could solve for velocity of block without using calculus.

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