Velocity after Elastic Collision!

Two steel spheres, having radii a a and 2 a 2a are released from a height h h as shown in figure. Assume that during motion the centers of the spheres lies on a vertical line. Larger sphere collides with the ground and recoils and collides with the small sphere. Collisions are perfectly elastic. Velocity of small sphere just after its collision is-

9 23 2 g ( h 2 a ) \frac{9}{23} \sqrt{2g(h-2a)} 23 9 2 g ( h 2 a ) \frac{23}{9} \sqrt{2g(h-2a)} 5 9 2 g ( h 2 a ) \frac{5}{9} \sqrt{2g(h-2a)} None of These 9 5 2 g ( h 2 a ) \frac{9}{5} \sqrt{2g(h-2a)}

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1 solution

Nathanael Case
May 29, 2015

Both spheres are made of steel, so they have the same density. This implies that if the mass of the smaller sphere is m m then the mass of the larger sphere is 8 m 8m .

Both of the spheres fall the same distance, h 2 a h-2a acquiring a speed of

V i = 2 g ( h 2 a ) V_i=\sqrt{2g(h-2a)} .

The larger sphere collides elastically with the floor so it's momentum is reversed and it is now traveling upwards at a speed of V i V_i .

(Of course, this can only happen in the limit as the Earth's mass goes to infinity, that way the Earth can conserve the momentum of the larger sphere without gaining any energy from it. But this is a very good approximation.)

So now the smaller sphere is traveling downwards with momentum m V i mV_i and the larger sphere is traveling upwards with momentum 8 m V i 8mV_i . Let's call the final velocity (after the collision) of the small and larger spheres V f s V_{fs} and V f L V_{fL} respectively. (Also suppose both end the collision traveling upwards.) We then get the following equation for conservation of momentum:

8 m V i m V i = 8 m V f L + m V f s 8mV_i-mV_i=8mV_{fL}+mV_{fs}

The problem says the collision is elastic so we can also write an equation that says the kinetic energy will be the same before and after the collision. (We neglect the change in height during the collision by assuming it lasts a negligible amount of time.)

0.5 ( 8 m V i 2 + m V i 2 ) = 0.5 ( 8 m V f L 2 + m V f s 2 ) 0.5(8mV_i^2+mV_i^2)=0.5(8mV_{fL}^2+mV_{fs}^2)

Solving these two equations yields V f s = 23 9 V i V_{fs}=\frac{23}{9}V_i

Have a small doubt if it was not given the larger sphere recoils and then collide. I mean to say that both collisions take simultaneously, is it still possible to find the answer

Tanishq Varshney - 6 years ago

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@Tanishq Varshney Interesting question.

If you say the collisions occur at the same time, then you will not be allowed to neglect the collision times. Therefore you will have to consider the deformation of the spheres. (The only way to conserve energy with a collision-time>0 is for deformation to occur.)

I do not know how to analyze this problem.

Nathanael Case - 6 years ago

I think the collisions must occur simultaneously.Because taking their com we get that the com is travelling with the same upward velocity.

Abhi Kumbale - 5 years, 7 months ago

nicely explained, upvoted! @Nathanael Case ¨ \ddot \smile

Nishant Rai - 6 years ago

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