Warm up problem 14: DONT BASH

Algebra Level 2

solve for x x

x 2 + 11 x = 14 \sqrt{x-2}+\sqrt{11x}=14


hint: using substitution, there is a much simpler way to do this than squaring and squaring again. Also, you don't need a calculator. Check the solution to see if you did it the easier way.

Also, sorry for the lack of problems lately, been super busy.


The answer is 11.

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7 solutions

Trevor Arashiro
Oct 13, 2014

NO, the trick is not guess and check... If I had made the numbers uglier, it wouldn't work.

But anyway, while in my Alg class, again, I figured out a way to substitute when problems had two square roots. By substituting a for the radical with the lower x coefficient, we can eliminate one radical.

Set a = x 2 a=\sqrt{x-2}

a + 11 x = 14 a+\sqrt{11x}=14

Now, to eliminate the second radical, we match the x-coefficients of a and the radical and subtract the remaining constant.

a + 11 a 2 + 22 = 14 a+\sqrt{11a^2+22}=14

11 a 2 + 22 = 14 a \sqrt{11a^2+22}=14-a

11 a 2 + 22 = a 2 28 a + 196 11a^2+22=a^2-28a+196

10 a 2 + 28 a 174 = 0 10a^2+28a-174=0

2 ( 5 a 2 + 14 a 87 ) = 0 2(5a^2+14a-87)=0

( 5 a + 29 ) ( a 3 ) = 0 (5a+29)(a-3)=0

Since a represents a radical, it can't be negative and thus 5 a 29 5a-29 is extraneous.

a 3 = 0 a = 3 a-3=0\Rightarrow a=3

Resubstituting x 2 = a \sqrt{x-2}=a

x 2 = 3 \sqrt{x-2}=3

x = 11 \boxed{x=11}

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This is the work needed if you square and square again... it gets quite ugly... no one likes factoring 4 digit polynomials. (credit to Mr. Rubasch cuz I was too lazy to write/latex this)

Also, the biggest advantage to this substitution is that you dont have to plug in both solutions \textbf{you dont have to plug in both solutions} to check if they are extraneous \textbf{to check if they are extraneous}

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 8 months ago

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You were "super busy" playing golf? Lol!

Pranjal Jain - 6 years, 5 months ago

Nice solution. But little bit lengthy. Great substitution.

Sandeep Bhardwaj - 6 years, 8 months ago

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thanks, I make my solutions lengthy because I try to show every step so that they are understandable to everyone.. Too many solutions on brilliant cut out steps causing many people to have trouble following them.

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 8 months ago

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Good. Keep it up!

Sandeep Bhardwaj - 6 years, 8 months ago

it will be ok if we are going to use the usual way that this one

erwin barredo - 6 years, 7 months ago

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but it takes a lot longer

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 7 months ago

your solution is fantastic, but can you show us another solution in squaring? thanks

Jonathan Moey - 6 years, 5 months ago

Exactly the steps i followed! substituted (x-2) with a^2 .

Sreeyanka Ghosh - 6 years, 5 months ago

11a^2+22 sq from where it came

Ex Why Zee - 6 years, 2 months ago
Sandeep Bhardwaj
Oct 13, 2014

Given

x 2 + 11 x = 14 \sqrt{x-2}+\sqrt{11x}=14

Checking the domain of two square-root values , we can say x 2 x \geq 2

And also we know, both square-root values must be square-root free after putting the value of x

If for making 11 x \sqrt{11x} square-root free, we will put the positive multiples of 11

Putting x=11 satisfies the given equation

And also if we put 22, 33 ...and so on, then 11 x \sqrt{11x} will be greater than 14. So we will neglect taking these values.

Therefore x = 11 \large \boxed{x=11}

enjoy!

I disagree with "making 11 x \sqrt{11x} square root free ... ". In a sense, you are abusing the assumption that the answer must be an integer.

For example, we can still solve for x x in the equation x 2 + 11 x = 15 \sqrt{x-2} + \sqrt{11x} = 15 , which doesn't have a nice integer answer, and your approach will no longer work.

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 8 months ago

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Yeah, I agree. But if there were integer answer, then you can find that just by looking at it...And then if you don't find, go for another method that may be substitution or squaring.

Sandeep Bhardwaj - 6 years, 8 months ago

I think that it's certainly reasonable to first look for integral solutions before doing any more complicated algebra. And it's pretty obvious that x=11 should be the place to start.

There isn't anything unsound to the "guess and check" method. When I look at this problem, I see that the sum of two possibly irrational numbers will be an integer. That means either they are both integers or neither is.

And it's obvious that x would have to be a multiple of 11 for the second term to be an integer. I don't see anything wrong with testing x=11 before doing any algebra.

Richard Desper - 1 year, 4 months ago

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I agree that guess and check is fine.

However, for a complete solution, we also need to justify why there are no other solutions. In this specific example, we can show that the LHS is a strictly increasing function, so since the RHS is a constant, hence there is a unique value which satisfies the equation.

Calvin Lin Staff - 1 year, 4 months ago

Great logical thinking, but not exactly what I was looking for. I will post my method of substitution. Still, this works just as well!

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 8 months ago

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thank you. With this approach, we can solve the question just by looking at this.

Sandeep Bhardwaj - 6 years, 8 months ago

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Did exactly the same way! :)

Yogesh Verma - 6 years, 7 months ago
Aareyan Manzoor
Jan 1, 2015

x 2 + 11 x = 14 12 x 2 + 2 11 x 2 22 x = 1 4 2 \sqrt{x-2}+\sqrt{11x}=14\longrightarrow 12x-2+2\sqrt{11x^2 -22x}=14^2 14 ( 7 ) 6 x + 1 = 11 x 2 22 x ( 99 6 x ) 2 = 11 x 2 22 x 14(7)-6x+1=\sqrt{11x^2 -22x}\longrightarrow (99-6x)^2=11x^2 -22x 9801 1188 x + 36 x 2 = 11 x 2 22 x 25 x 2 1166 x + 9801 = 0 9801-1188x+36x^2=11x^2-22x\longrightarrow 25x^2-1166x+9801=0 x = 1166 ± 116 6 2 2 2 × 9 9 2 × 5 2 50 x=\dfrac{1166\pm \sqrt{1166^2 -2^2\times 99^2 \times 5^2}}{50} x = 1166 ± 116 6 2 ( 2 × 99 × 5 ) 2 50 x=\dfrac{1166\pm \sqrt{1166^2 -(2\times 99 \times 5)^2}}{50} x = 1166 ± 116 6 2 99 0 2 50 x=\dfrac{1166\pm \sqrt{1166^2 -990^2}}{50} x = 1166 ± ( 1166 + 990 ) ( 1166 990 50 x=\dfrac{1166\pm \sqrt{(1166+990)(1166-990}}{50} x = 1166 ± 2156 × 176 50 x=\dfrac{1166\pm \sqrt{2156\times 176}}{50} x = 1166 ± 2156 × 16 × 11 50 x=\dfrac{1166\pm \sqrt{2156\times 16 \times 11}}{50} x = 1166 ± 196 × 16 × 121 50 x=\dfrac{1166\pm \sqrt{196 \times16\times 121}}{50} x = 1166 ± ( 14 × 4 × 11 ) 50 x=\dfrac{1166\pm (14\times 4 \times 11)}{50} x = 22 ( 53 ± 28 ) 50 x=\dfrac{22(53\pm 28)}{50} x = 891 25 ( e x t r a n e o u s ) , 11 x=\dfrac{891}{25}~(extraneous), ~~ \boxed {11}

Since 14 is a whole number, the result of every root had to be a whole numbers as well. The easiest way (not recurring to extensive algebra) was, in my opinion, to guess by breaking down the second root multiplying the x by 11. This number (11) also worked (luckily) for the first root, and the resulting sum was exactly 14.

Nikunj Shah
Dec 18, 2014

The root of 11x can be easily get by putting 11 inplace of x..so I tried putting 11 in place of x....and this way I got the answer

Jack Beckerman
Dec 2, 2014

Using only whole squares 11*11sqrt=11 11-2sqrt=3 3+11=14

Suresh Naik
Dec 21, 2014

clearly you have match 14 = 14 so just find a number which breaks the square-root( means which makes square inside the square-root ). So to break square-root(11 x) is 11 because square-root(11 11) = 11 and square-root(11-2)=3 which sums to 14 so that required number is 11

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