Water Bucket out of the world !

Consider an water Bucket (known as " Balti " in Indian language ) which is half filled. It has a shape of an frustum (refer to figure). It has upper radius 'b' and lower radius 'a' and Hight H. It is hanging on a fixed support and initially kept open in atmosphere ( in presence of air having Heat capacity ' C ' ).

Now this bucket is tightly Packed at the top at time t=0 , and instantly (at t=0) a small hole of cross sectional area A h o l e { A }_{ hole } is made at the centre of the base of this hanging bucket , so that water is starts coming out. Then Find the Time Interval ( T ) in which water level fall's half of it's initial hight . (Means Final Hight Becomes H/4 from bottom. )

Report Answer as : T \left\lfloor T \right\rfloor

Here : . i s G I F \left\lfloor . \right\rfloor \quad is\quad GIF

Assumptions

\bullet Assume that whole atmosphere is made of Ideal Helium gas (Mono atomic)

\bullet In whole Event, this Ideal Gas has constant Heat capacity C = 2 R C=2R J/mole/k where 'R' is universal gas constant.

\bullet Neglect Heat capacity and thermal expansion of Liquid and Bucket . Neglect Viscosity , surface Tension.

\bullet You may Use wolfram alpha for calculation .

Details

a = 1 m , b = 2 m , H = 1 m , A h o l e = 0.01 m 2 , ρ w = 10 3 k g / m 3 , P a t m = 10 5 N / m , g = 10 m / s 2 \displaystyle{a=1m,\quad b=2m,\quad H=1m,\quad { A }_{ hole }=0.01{ m }^{ 2 },\\ { \rho }_{ w }={ 10 }^{ 3 }kg/{ m }^{ 3 },\quad { P }_{ atm }={ 10 }^{ 5 }N/m,\quad g=10m/{ s }^{ 2 }}

This is Original .
Try More Deepanshu's Mixing of concept's .


The answer is 26.

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1 solution

Ronak Agarwal
Feb 22, 2015

Bullshit Bullshit

At any intermediate x x .

Firstly radius of the junction of water and air can be given as :

r = a + ( b a ) x H r = a + \dfrac{(b-a)x}{H}

Thanks to your values it comes out a neat :

r = 1 + x r = 1+x

Secondly height of air column = 1 x 1-x

Hence volume of air column(by using the formula for volume of frustum) as :

V a i r = π ( 1 x ) 3 ( ( 1 + x ) 2 + 2 2 + 2 ( 1 + x ) ) {V}_{air} = \dfrac{ \pi (1-x) }{3} ( {(1+x)}^{2} + {2}^{2} + 2(1+x) )

V a i r = π ( 1 x ) 3 ( x 2 + 4 x + 7 ) \Rightarrow {V}_{air} = \dfrac{ \pi (1-x) }{3}(x^{2}+4x+7)

Also volume of air initially (i.e x = 1 2 x=\frac{1}{2} )

V i = 37 π 24 {V}_{i} = \frac{37\pi }{24}

P i = P 0 {P}_{i} = {P}_{0}

Now since it is a polytropic process P V = K \dfrac{P}{V}= K

P i V i = P a i r V a i r \dfrac{{P}_{i}}{{V}_{i}} = \dfrac{ {P}_{air} }{ {V}_{air} }

Hence we have :

P a i r = 8 37 ( 1 x ) ( x 2 + 4 x + 7 ) P 0 {P}_{air} = \dfrac{8}{37}(1-x)(x^{2}+4x+7){P}_{0}

Writing bernoulli equation for the given two points (one is a point at the junction and

another point is just outside the hole) we have :

P a i r + ρ g x + 1 2 ρ v 1 2 = P 0 + 1 2 ρ v 2 2 {P}_{air} + \rho g x +\dfrac{1}{2}\rho {v}_{1}^{2} = {P}_{0} + \dfrac{1}{2}\rho {v}_{2}^{2}

v 1 {v}_{1} = velocity of water level

v 2 {v}_{2} = velocity of water coming out of hole :

Also using equation of continuity we have :

A 1 v 1 = A 2 v 2 {A}_{1} {v}_{1} = {A}_{2}{v}_{2}

A 1 {A}_{1} = Area of junction( of air and water ) = π ( 1 + x ) 2 \pi {(1+x)}^{2}

A 2 {A}_{2} = Area of hole

Solving we get the expression of v 1 {v}_{1} as :

( ( A 1 A 2 ) 2 1 ) v 1 2 = 2 ( P a i r P 0 ) ρ + 2 g x \displaystyle ({ (\frac { { A }_{ 1 } }{ { A }_{ 2 } } })^{ 2 }-1){ v }_{ 1 }^{ 2 } = \frac { 2({ P }_{ air }-{ P }_{ 0 }) }{ \rho } +2gx

Putting the values we have :

( 10 4 π 2 ( 1 + x ) 2 1 ) v 1 2 = 200 ( 8 37 ( 1 x ) ( x 2 + 4 x + 7 ) 1 ) + 20 x \displaystyle ({ 10 }^{ 4 }{ \pi }^{ 2 }{ (1+x) }^{ 2 }-1){ v }_{ 1 }^{ 2 } = 200(\frac { 8 }{ 37 } (1-x)({ x }^{ 2 }+4x+7)-1)+20x

Note that d x d t = v 1 -\dfrac{dx}{dt} = {v}_{1}

Finally I get the expression of T T as :

1 / 4 1 / 2 10 4 π 2 ( 1 + x ) 4 1 20 x + 200 37 ( 8 ( 1 x ) ( x 2 + 4 x + 7 ) 37 ) d x = 26.2564 \displaystyle \int _{ 1/4 }^{ 1/2 }{ \sqrt { \frac { { 10 }^{ 4 }{ \pi }^{ 2 }{ (1+x) }^{4 }-1 }{ 20x+\frac { 200 }{ 37 } (8(1-x)({ x }^{ 2 }+4x+7)-37) } } dx } = 26.2564

Well This Time I'am Able to solve this Question , Since I Already Know concept of this question from Your Previous Post . But Yes I don't deserve these Point's . Since I could Not make conclusion at my own. it was really Tough .

Karan Shekhawat - 6 years, 3 months ago

Same way! the rather interesting thing however is that the expression becomes undefined when h= (1/10^4 pi^2)^(1/4)-1 , which means that at that height, the pressure outside is just enough or more to support the weight of water above the hole and the weight or pressure force of the helium above it, which is pretty awesome,

It would have been much simpler if baltis were cylinders

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 3 months ago

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huh , I Don't unnecessarily take It as " Balti " instead of cylinder , Indeed This Question is Little Based On My Real Life Incident , which Happen's before 4-5 days ago . Actually In that morning my mother ask me for bring a balti the from our Backyard , There are 3-4 balti 's and I pick wrong one , which has small hole in bottom , I didn't Know about that , so our water is leaked from it and our freshly washed house get again wet , and Beacuse of such carlessness my mom highly scolded me , so after that I just got inspiration to just created this situation .

And You Tell me what is shape of genral ' balti ' ? Affcourse this is reason why I take it as frustum shape. So Please Don't say Like this !

Deepanshu Gupta - 6 years, 3 months ago

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Great source of inspiration :)

Ronak Agarwal - 6 years, 3 months ago

I am really sorry, i didnt mean in an offensive fashion, i just said that it would have been simpler in an ideal case, let me rephrase it

I fully acknowledge that this is the realistic case and definitely thats the problem i must solve if i am ever to understand water leak from a closed balti :)

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 3 months ago

Yes it only complicates the integral we have to put into wolfram alpha.

Ronak Agarwal - 6 years, 3 months ago

How is the process polyprotic with P/V =k

Athul Nambolan - 6 years, 3 months ago

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use the given fact that specific heat capacity of process is 2R,

so dQ/dT = 2R now use dU+dW=dQ

and finally use PdV = dW and PV=nRT, you will get it

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 3 months ago

Yes As saketh said , But There is an standard relation for Heat capacity for Polytropic process : C = C v + R 1 x x = 1 C={ C }_{ v }+\cfrac { R }{ 1-x } \quad \Rightarrow \quad x=-1

Deepanshu Gupta - 6 years, 3 months ago

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