Weird equations

Algebra Level 3

{ x y + y x = 20 x x + y y = 65 \large \begin{cases} {x\sqrt{y} + y\sqrt{x} = 20} \\ { x\sqrt{x} + y\sqrt{y} = 65 } \end{cases}

What is the number of integral solutions ( x , y ) (x,y) that satisfy the system of equations above?

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There is an easier solution as shown here.

( x + y ) 3 = x 3 + 3 x 2 y + 3 x y 2 + y 3 = x x + 3 ( x y + y x ) + y y = 65 + 3 ( 20 ) = 125 x + y = 5 \begin{aligned} (\sqrt{x} + \sqrt{y})^3 & = \sqrt{x}^3 + 3\sqrt{x}^2 \sqrt{y} + 3 \sqrt{x} \sqrt{y}^2 + \sqrt{y}^3 \\ & = x\sqrt{x} + 3(x\sqrt{y} + y\sqrt{x} ) + y\sqrt{y} \\ & = 65 + 3(20) = 125 \\ \Rightarrow \sqrt{x} + \sqrt{y} & = 5 \end{aligned}

For integer solutions, { 1 + 16 = 5 16 + 1 = 5 \Rightarrow \begin{cases} \sqrt{1} + \sqrt{16} = 5 \\ \sqrt{16} + \sqrt{1} = 5 \end{cases}

Therefore, there are 2 \boxed{2} solutions.

Previous Solution \color{#3D99F6}{\text{Previous Solution}}

For the equations to have integer solutions, both x x and y y must be perfect squares. For perfect square x x , we have:

{ x = 0 y = ( 65 3 ) 2 Not integer Rejected x = 1 y = ( 64 3 ) 2 = 16 x y + y x = 20 Accepted x = 4 y = ( 57 3 ) 2 Not integer Rejected x = 9 y = ( 38 3 ) 2 Not integer Rejected x = 16 y = ( 1 3 ) 2 = 1 x y + y x = 20 Accepted \begin{cases} x = 0 & \Rightarrow y = \left( \sqrt[3]{65} \right)^2 \ne \color{#D61F06}{\text{Not integer}} & \color{#D61F06}{\text{Rejected}} \\ x = 1 & \Rightarrow y = \left( \sqrt[3]{64} \right)^2 = 16 \quad \Rightarrow x\sqrt{y} + y\sqrt{x} = \color{#3D99F6} {20} & \color{#3D99F6}{\text{Accepted}} \\ x = 4 & \Rightarrow y = \left( \sqrt[3]{57} \right)^2 \ne \color{#D61F06}{\text{Not integer}} & \color{#D61F06}{\text{Rejected}} \\ x = 9 & \Rightarrow y = \left( \sqrt[3]{38} \right)^2 \ne \color{#D61F06}{\text{Not integer}} & \color{#D61F06}{\text{Rejected}} \\ x = 16 & \Rightarrow y = \left( \sqrt[3]{1} \right)^2 = 1 \quad \Rightarrow x\sqrt{y} + y\sqrt{x} = \color{#3D99F6} {20} & \color{#3D99F6}{\text{Accepted}} \end{cases}

Therefore, there are 2 \boxed{2} integer solutions ( 1 , 16 ) (1,16) and ( 16 , 1 ) (16,1) .

Moderator note:

Note that the main intention of your first paragraph is simply to conclude that x x must be a perfect square, after which we can perform trial and error. Is there a simpler way to reach that conclusion?

I forgot ordered pairs again! :))

Kazem Sepehrinia - 5 years, 11 months ago

Thanks. I didn't see that.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 5 years, 11 months ago

Mathh Mathh
Jul 5, 2015

Add the equations: ( x + y ) ( x + y ) = 85 = 17 5 (x+y)(\sqrt{x}+\sqrt{y})=85=17\cdot 5 .

So x + y \sqrt{x}+\sqrt{y} is an integer, so x , y x,y are perfect squares (simple proof here ).

x , y 1 x,y\ge 1 , so x + y x + y > 1 x+y\ge \sqrt{x}+\sqrt{y}>1 and x + y = 17 , x + y = 5 x+y=17, \sqrt{x}+\sqrt{y}=5 .

x , y { 1 , 4 , 9 , 16 } x,y\in\{1,4,9,16\} , which only gives { x , y } = { 1 , 16 } \{x,y\}=\{1,16\} . After checking, we see it is a solution.

That was my approach, too. For the last step, you can save on trial and error. Observe that (sqrt x + sqrt y)^2 = x + y + 2 sqrt (xy), so that sqrt (xy) = (5^2 - 17)/2 = 4. That gives immediately (sqrt x, sqrt y) = (1, 4) or (2, 2).

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 5 years, 8 months ago

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x + y = 17 x+y=17 is only possible if { x , y } = { 1 , 16 } \{x,y\}=\{1,16\} .

mathh mathh - 5 years, 8 months ago

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I agree... my point was that instead of trying all of {1, 4, 9, 16}, you can rule out a few values right away. If instead of "5" you had a higher value, that would save a lot of work!

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 5 years, 8 months ago

( x 1 2 + y 1 2 ) 3 = ( x x + y y ) + 3 ( x y + y x ) = 65 + 3 20 = 5 3 x 1 2 + y 1 2 = 5 = 1 + 4 = 2 + 3. ( x 1 2 , y 1 2 ) (2,3) would not satisfy the given equations where x and y are integers. ( 1 , 16 ) , ( 16 , 1 ) T w o s o l u t i o n s . CHECK:- Substityting (1,16) in the two given equations 1 16 + 16 1 = 20 , 1 1 + 16 16 = 65. Because of symmetry (16,1) also satisfy the given equations. (x^{\frac 1 2 } + y^{\frac 1 2} )^3\\ = ( x \sqrt{x} + y \sqrt{y} ) + 3 ( x \sqrt{y} + y \sqrt{x} ) \\ =65+3*20=5^3 \\ \therefore~ x^{\frac 1 2 } + y^{\frac 1 2} =5=1+4=2+3.\\ ( x^{\frac 1 2 } , y^{\frac 1 2})~\text{(2,3) would not satisfy the given equations}\\ \text{where x and y are integers.}\\ \therefore~(1,16),(16,1) ~Two ~solutions. \\\text{CHECK:- Substityting (1,16) in the two given equations } ~~\\1\sqrt{16}+16\sqrt1 = 20,~~~~~~~~~~~~1\sqrt1+16\sqrt{16} =65.\\\text{Because of symmetry (16,1) also satisfy the given equations.}

Moderator note:

Is it true that any (non-negative) integer solution to the last line must satisfy the original system of equations?

When combining a system of equations, we often have to check if the answers that we obtain are indeed valid solutions.

@Niranjan Khanderia I like your approach and have converted your comment into a solution. If you subscribe to comments, you will receive notifications about it.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 11 months ago

Thank you. I have added the check.

Niranjan Khanderia - 5 years, 11 months ago

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Right, so what I was hinting at is that ( 4 , 9 ) , ( 9 , 4 ) ( 4, 9), (9, 4 ) are also solutions to x + y = 5 \sqrt{x} + \sqrt{y} = 5 . However, they are not solutions to the original system.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 11 months ago

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Yes. I too had (2,3), but discarded it. Yes I will mention this in the solution. Thanks for improving my understanding and making the solution complete.

Niranjan Khanderia - 5 years, 11 months ago
Ravneet Singh
Jun 29, 2015

x=16,y=1 or vice versa

Why is that all?

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 11 months ago

Step 1: find value of x + y \sqrt{x}+\sqrt{y} by adding triple of equation 1 to equation 2.

Step 2: factorize equation 1 to get x y = 4 \sqrt{xy}=4

Step 3:Let x = m , y = n \sqrt{x}=m,\sqrt{y}=n be roots of a quadratic whose sum and product is given as above. so m&n are roots of x 2 5 x + 4 = 0 x^2-5x+4=0 Thus m,n=1,4 which means 2 solutions for m & n or 2 solutions for x & y.

Ravi Dwivedi
Jul 11, 2015

This is also an easy solution

First note that x \sqrt{x} and y \sqrt{y} terms in the equation implies that x 0 x \geq 0 and y 0 y \geq 0

Consider { x y + y x = 20 ( 1 ) x x + y y = 65 ( 2 ) \begin{cases}x\sqrt{y} + y \sqrt{x} =20 \quad (1)\\ x\sqrt{x} + y\sqrt{y}=65 \quad (2) \end{cases}

Squaring both equations and subtracting ( 1 ) (1) from ( 2 ) (2) we get ( x x + y y ) 2 ( x y + y x ) 2 = 6 5 2 2 0 2 (x\sqrt{x} + y\sqrt{y})^2 -(x\sqrt{y} + y \sqrt{x})^2 =65^2 - 20^2

x 3 + y 3 ( x 2 y + y 2 x ) = 3825 x^3+y^3-(x^2 y + y^2 x) =3825

( x + y ) 3 4 x y ( x + y ) = 3825 ( Writing x 3 + y 3 = ( x + y ) 3 3 x y ( x + y ) ) (x+y)^3-4xy(x+y)=3825 \quad (\text{Writing} x^3+y^3=(x+y)^3-3xy(x+y))

Put x + y = S x+y=S and x y = P xy=P

S 3 4 S P = 3825 ( 3 ) S^3-4SP=3825 \quad (3)

S 3 = 3825 + 4 P S^3=3825+4P

Clearly RHS is odd .

So S S must be odd and since S 3 3825 S^3 \geq 3825 and just next perfect cube after 3825 3825 is 1 6 3 = 4096 16^3=4096 but S S cannot be even

If S = 17 S=17 we get from eq ( 3 ) (3)

1 7 3 68 P = 3825 4913 68 P = 3825 P = 16 x + y = 17 , x y = 16 ( x , y ) = ( 16 , 1 ) , ( 1 , 16 ) 17^3-68P=3825\\ \implies 4913-68P=3825\\ \implies P=16\\ \implies x+y=17,xy=16 \implies (x,y)=(16,1),(1,16)

Checking with the original equation these ordered pairs satisfy the given system.

Also notice that S S cannot be greater than 20 20 as can be deduced from equation ( 1 ) (1) and as stated before S S cannot be even so we check the only case with S = 19 S=19

If S = 19 S 3 4 P S = 3825 ( using eq. ( 3 ) ) S=19\\ S^3-4PS=3825\quad( \text{using eq.}(3))\\ 1 9 3 76 P = 3825 19^3-76P=3825\\ 6859 76 P = 3825 6859-76P=3825\\ 76 P = 3034 76P=3034\\

P = 39.9210.. P=39.9210.. which is not an integer.

So S S cannot be 19 19

We conclude that the only solutions are

( x , y ) = ( 1 , 16 ) , ( 16 , 1 ) (x,y)=(1,16),(16,1)

Moderator note:

This approach is correct, though it seems pretty painful to plow through. Are there steps that could be simplified?

Yes....of course....for explanation it is written here in long form but on page it took 8-10 lines

Ravi Dwivedi - 5 years, 11 months ago

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